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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

In view of some of the fears expressed by some Americans as to a recent sea change in American political values, I would like to make sure that our foreign friends do not develop the misimpression that this country has metamorphosed into the positively medieval in its social value system.

If one is concerned with gay marriage, the truth is that this country is not friendly to that concept. However, on a social level, the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

In fact, it is possibly because of that acceptance that some conservative activists have used the issue of marriage as a "stopgap" against further "encroachment" of the "gay lifestyle" on American society.

In my view, there has been far too much polemic, on both the left and the right, concerning gay rights. To some significant degree, the issue of gayness is as much a biomedical fact as it is a legal concern, and hence it is in the interstices of law and medicine that the rights of gays are implicated.

The Constitution does not enshrine any particular view of genetic dispositions, but it does prevent certain forms of invidious discrimination, and a strong argument can, and has been, made, that neither homosexual predisposition nor acts should be the province of public regulation. Nevertheless, that this is so, and that the courts have supported the legality of homosexual conduct, is increasingly obscure, particularly in the eyes of some of our foreign critics.

To those who fear that the United States is on its way to a Puritan way of life, and that soon the dystopia of Atwood in The Handmaid's Tale will afflict all manner of private conduct, I say: Let's get real. There is rhetoric, and then there is reality. One should not be mistaken for the other.

[Edited 2006-01-31 18:19:57]

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
the truth is that this country is not friendly to that concept. However, on a social level, the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

In another thread, you've stated that liberalism has failed, and the country has become more conservative.

So which is it, or are these topics just copy/pasted from all over the internet without any regard to how they appear to lack any cohesion of voice?



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
the truth is that this country is not friendly to that concept. However, on a social level, the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

In another thread, you've stated that liberalism has failed, and the country has become more conservative.

I did not say in that thread that liberalism in general has failed, and when attention was brought to the question of whether I claimed that it had, I specifically stated the opposite. I stated, and reiterated, that it is strange to me that conservatives accuse the educational system of being liberal, and yet the country has become more conservative. I further stated and reiterated that it may be a specific failure of liberalism to propagate itself that is of at least tangential interest -- a fact that belies conservative attempts, incidentally, to demonize our educational system.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
So which is it, or are these topics just copy/pasted from all over the internet without any regard to how they appear to lack any cohesion of voice?

All statements I post here without attribution to others are written by me -- no one else. I do not "cut and paste" the words of anyone else and claim them to be mine.

[Edited 2006-01-31 18:23:49]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
yet the country has become more conservative



Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

How do you reconcile these two statements?



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

IMO gay rights are simply a matter of civil rights and should be analyzed under the same scrutiny as any other fundamental right. While I don't believe government should force churches to recognize marriage between any individuals they don't want to (be that gay, divorced, too tall, fat, etc. . .) I believe that the equal protection clauses of the 5th and 14th amendments should protect the legal rights of homosexuals on bar with heterosexual.

I see no compelling government interest in denying a citizen a tax deduction or the right to make health care decisions for their partner on the basis of whether or not the partner has a penis or a vagina.

All the rest is just noise that the right and left throw up there to obfuscate the issue.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
I would like to make sure that our foreign friends do not have the misimpression that this country is becoming positively medieval in its social value system.

It is not a misimpression, my friend. In many areas of the nation, it is fact-the religious right wants to take this nation back 300 years in it's social value system. They want their faith to be the law of the land; they want to keep gays as second-class citizens; they want to invade the privacy of others and put the government in your bedroom and private lives (but not in your wallet, which is fine with me).

It is medieval, in my view.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
If one is concerned with gay marriage, the truth is that this country is not friendly to that concept. However, on a social level, the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

If that were true, then you and the right wouldn't be so afraid of gays marrying. We are not a nation that has the Holy Bible as our law-it's the Constitution that guides us. Maybe the Bible says being gay is a sin, but again, I do not take my civil orders from the Bible. Another sign of them wanting to take us back in time-making the Bible in national affairs superior to the Constitution, and I don't buy that.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
To those who fear that the United States is on its way to a Puritan way of life, and that soon the dystopia of Atwood in The Handmaid's Tale will afflict all manner of private conduct, I say: Let's get real. There is rhetoric, and then there is reality. One should not be mistaken for the other.

The reality is you seemingly can't tell the difference.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
I stated, and reiterated, that it is strange to me that conservatives accuse the educational system of being liberal, and yet the country has become more conservative.

Even now, as they control all three brances of the federal government, the conservatives still find time to blame the liberals. Just like all these Christians find time to blame the non-Christians.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
IMO gay rights are simply a matter of civil rights and should be analyzed under the same scrutiny as any other fundamental right. While I don't believe government should force churches to recognize marriage between any individuals they don't want to (be that gay, divorced, too tall, fat, etc. . .) I believe that the equal protection clauses of the 5th and 14th amendments should protect the legal rights of homosexuals on bar with heterosexual.

I see no compelling government interest in denying a citizen a tax deduction or the right to make health care decisions for their partner on the basis of whether or not the partner has a penis or a vagina.

All the rest is just noise that the right and left throw up there to obfuscate the issue.

Best post you ever made, Pope. I agree with you 100%. Well said.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
How do you reconcile these two statements?

With great delicacy, said the cook to the lobster.  Wink

The country has, indeed, become much more conservative, but acceptance of gays has risen. It is, to use a much-abused phrase, the exception that proves the rule.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
The country has, indeed, become much more conservative, but acceptance of gays has risen.

You can invalidate either or both of your arguments. Pick one.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
If that were true, then you and the right wouldn't be so afraid of gays marrying.

Fear is used to manipulate people. I'm a Catholic who respects my God and my religion, however I disagree with my church when it comes to this issue. The smoke screen of the sanctity of marriage disappeared for me once the Catholic church granted someone I knew an annulment after 20 years of marriage and three kids. I'm happily married to my wife an I assure you that we drawn neither strength nor support from the fact that our next door neighbors are married. If they were gay, more power to them but it simply doens't affect me.

Fear is used by the those on the right like Rove to manipulate voters (quite effectively) into course of action that favor his cause. Fear can only exist in the absence of information. I think many more people would be willing to educate themselves about the issue if the positions were presented in a less confrontational manner. The extreme left ruins it for everyone as does the extreme right. I really believe that the middle 70% of this country believes in the same fundamental things.

Every father I know wants a better life for their children than the one they had. Every father I know wants clean air, clean water, and safe streets. Every father I know wants their children to grow up with opportunity. Instead of allowing ourselves to be polarized by our difference in how to accomplish those goals, we should focus on the goals themselves.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Best post you ever made, Pope. I agree with you 100%. Well said.

Alito confirmed and Falcon agrees with me. Hell must be about to freeze over.  Wink

Just kidding. Thanks.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
You can invalidate either or both of your arguments. Pick one.

That's a simplistic and erroneous argument.

There is evidence that global warming causes extremes in weather, including colder winters. Does the existence of colder winters invalidate the existence of global warming?

Neither, then, does wider acceptance of gays implicate the lack of a wider trend toward conservatism in general.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Neither, then, does wider acceptance of gays implicate the lack of a wider trend toward conservatism in general.

Oh boy, this is going to take an entire team of psychiatrists to work out.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
Oh boy, this is going to take an entire team of psychiatrists to work out.

Well, if you can suggest one....

 Wink


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14):
Well, if you can suggest one

I wouldn't be so unkind ... to the psychiatrists.  Wink



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
In view of some of the fears expressed by some Americans as to a recent sea change in American political values, I would like to make sure that our foreign friends do not develop the misimpression that this country has metamorphosed into the positively medieval in its social value system.

you are too kind to us cave-dwelling socialists.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
If one is concerned with gay marriage, the truth is that this country is not friendly to that concept. However, on a social level, the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

could have fooled me.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

To those who fear that the United States is on its way to a Puritan way of life, and that soon the dystopia of Atwood in The Handmaid's Tale will afflict all manner of private conduct, I say: Let's get real. There is rhetoric, and then there is reality. One should not be mistaken for the other.

and how many more of these lead-lined American domestic politics speeches are you going to make?

Here's a little tip. Airliners.net is NOT a US site. Johnny Foreigner is not here on sufferance, so for the love of God enough with the dirges already.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 16):
Here's a little tip. Airliners.net is NOT a US site. Johnny Foreigner is not here on sufferance, so for the love of God enough with the dirges already.

 checkmark  Hear, hear!



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 16):
Here's a little tip. Airliners.net is NOT a US site. Johnny Foreigner is not here on sufferance, so for the love of God enough with the dirges already.

WhiteHatter, as you may realize, there are many topics here that might be considered parochial to one particular nation, and yet this does not stop people from other countries from posting concerning them. If I recall correctly, you recently expressed some doubt in the Military Aviation and Space forum on this very site as to whether Members were being fair to denials of the American landings on the Moon in the 1960's and 1970's. As I recall, you posted a number of messages saying that we should be open minded concerning such rather ludicrous claims concerning, I might add, a largely American effort, although you did not say that you believed any conspiracy theory against the reality of those landings. (See: Did Nasa Put Men On The Moon? (by Thowman Sep 20 2005 in Military Aviation & Space Flight) )

And, likewise, we've seen here a friendly reception to topics concerning football (European style -- e.g., Robbie Fowler Signs For Liverpool! (by Cornish Jan 27 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1090464 ), the Australian flag, and so forth -- all as it should be.

Finally, I ask that you do not consider me in the category of critics of European countries for being "socialist", as I have the utmost respect for Europeans' ability to determine for themselves what government services they desire, and how to pay for them.

[Edited 2006-01-31 22:44:59]

User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7334 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

It is illegal in Kenya and a number of other places. I saw it on several Foreign Affairs websites while looking for visa information.

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
IMO gay rights are simply a matter of civil rights and should be analyzed under the same scrutiny as any other fundamental right. While I don't believe government should force churches to recognize marriage between any individuals they don't want to (be that gay, divorced, too tall, fat, etc. . .) I believe that the equal protection clauses of the 5th and 14th amendments should protect the legal rights of homosexuals on bar with heterosexual.

I see no compelling government interest in denying a citizen a tax deduction or the right to make health care decisions for their partner on the basis of whether or not the partner has a penis or a vagina.

All the rest is just noise that the right and left throw up there to obfuscate the issue.

Not a word here I disagree with, and you've put it in some of the most succinct terms I've seen. For what it's worth (not much) welcome to my RU list.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
However, on a social level, the acceptance of gays is now wider than ever before.

While I think the majority of Americans really don't care about my sexual orientation one way or the other, I think the 'acceptance' you refer to is more an overshadowing of the debate on our basic rights by the mega debate of gay marriage. If the focus wasn't on preventing and/or rolling back any kind of gay unions, the far right policy makers that are currently shaping so much of our public policy would be hacking away at the current or proposed non-discrimination laws on the books. A perfect example is the state of Washington. After a 29 year fight, sexual orientation was finally added to the law banning discrimination in Washington. Before the bill was even signed by the governor, a petition for both a referendum AND an initiative was submitted, to not only repeal the amendment, but to ban further consideration. That doesn't feel like acceptance to me.

That's not to say we haven't come a long way. Twenty years ago I was very careful to play the 'pronoun game' at work, making sure I never referred to my partner by gender or name. But now I don't think about it, in either social or work situations. I cherish that change. But in the last few years (six to be exact) there has been a concerted effort to role back much of what we have gained. Unfortunately we've served up the specter of gay marriage as the perfect weapon for the far right to scare the masses with. As Pope noted above, fear is used to manipulate, and right now its being used masterfully.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
Before the bill was even signed by the governor, a petition for both a referendum AND an initiative was submitted, to not only repeal the amendment, but to ban further consideration. That doesn't feel like acceptance to me.

I think that such referenda are the work of special interest groups on the right, rather than reflective of a broad societal sentiment against gays today.

In most cases, I am a libertarian when it comes to what consenting adults do, regardless of their sexual orientation, and within reason, within their own homes. An extension of that is that public instances where the corollaries of such behavior should be -- again, subject to the rule of reason -- tolerated if irrelevant to any legitimate purpose of society. By this I mean, for example, that if two gays want to emulate the role of mother and father in public with their adopted child, there should be no particular offense taken by such behavior.

I would add, however, that public displays of affection between gays is still somewhat beyond what society is prepared to tolerate, for now.

None of this is to say that there does not remain a deep-seated prejudice against gays on the part of many individuals, and particularly traditional, older people, who were raised in a different era.

[Edited 2006-02-01 01:44:32]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 21):
I would add, however, that public displays of affection between gays is still somewhat beyond what society is prepared to tolerate, for now.

Maybe you should consider whether it is "you" or "society" when defining mores for the global "we".



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
Maybe you should consider whether it is "you" or "society" when defining mores for the global "we".

There is no "global 'we'", however. Even Canada is far different from the United States when it comes to official attitudes toward homosexual marriage, although the difference is less pronounced when it comes to their respective societies.

Thus, your asking whether it is in fact my prejudices that I project upon society is somewhat misplaced; I do not claim to speak for society, but only myself in observing what I see of it.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20784 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 23):
your asking whether it is in fact my prejudices that I project upon society is somewhat misplaced

No, I can read. You made a statement, not an opinion. (Now qualified after you were called on it.) You didn't say "I don't believe society is ready ...", for example.



International Homo of Mystery
25 AerospaceFan : Then let me clarify that it is indeed, my opinion of what society is prepared to tolerate.
26 Searpqx : And yet the expectation is that they will get the measures on the ballot, which takes the signature of a significant number of the state's voters. Th
27 Ctbarnes : A partner can make decisions on your behalf provided you fill out and sign a durable power of attorney for healthcare form, nominating your partner a
28 Searpqx : Its a fact that for single sex couples, almost all the rights and privileges enjoyed by married couples can be gained by other legal maneuvers. But w
29 Post contains images Nordair : I expect there is a certain A.netter who is currently on a brief hiatus and she is just itching to begin posting on this thread. The pearls of wisdom
30 TG992 : Verbosity and a thesaurus are no substitutes for intelligence.
31 Jmc1975 : I miss her!
32 PWM2TXLHopper : Nah, try more like 40 or 50 years....
33 Jalto27R : Your opening post in this thread sounds like the end of my 10 page papers in US History Class. Just a bunch of BS, spread out in paragraph form to fi
34 AerospaceFan : Then your experience is different from mine. Differences of opinion based on different experiences of what society is likely to tolerate are to be ex
35 AeroWesty : Perhaps you should define where this occurs. Ten years ago I planted a big one on a then boyfriend at the boarding gate in an airport in central Ohio
36 Searpqx : Men showing affection still isn't common in many places, so yes, it draws attention. But guess what, as it becomes more common, fewer and fewer react
37 Post contains images AerospaceFan : It's a good thing, then, that I neither own nor use a thesaurus.   It's not so much at airports, where, by the way, I haven't seen it done, but at s
38 AeroWesty : How do you know what they're feeling? (Maybe they're jealous!)
39 AerospaceFan : It's because I know several parents, from various socio-economic backgrounds, and from conversations with them, it is universally true that they wish
40 AeroWesty : (I realize from past experience this will take 20 questions, but what the hell, it's worth a try again.) Define geographically where (not a mall, cit
41 Post contains images TG992 : Just out of interest - do you happen to write the VCR programming manuals on the side?
42 AerospaceFan : Just to take an example, any of the malls in suburbia, in Ventura County, for example. If you want a specific example, The Oaks mall in Thousand Oaks
43 Nordair : Of course you do. *pats you on the noggin* I'm sure had you known she'd be gone for a bit, you would have saved the photograph that was posted of her
44 AeroWesty : Oh well, you didn't say! Casual to casual! Now it's all perfectly clear. There are 100 other "influences" out there these days beyond Frank and Johnn
45 Searpqx : Ah, so its not so much society as select places - where you've personally witnessed it? Well guess what, I've committed PDA in those as well, and not
46 Post contains images AerospaceFan : No, but years ago, I helped with a project to write a certain piece of proposed legislation. That's almost worse.
47 Searpqx : And from this you concluded that the problem is same sex hand holding in malls?
48 Post contains images AeroWesty : (Notice how AF has to keep editing his posts? I think all this hand-holding is making him nervous.)
49 Ctbarnes : A Durable power of attorney for Healthcare (DPOA) does not need a lawyer to fill out and sign. The forms are downloadable, or are available from any
50 Post contains images Searpqx : You're right, and I agree with you actually. It's just your statement was a good segue into my rant!
51 Post contains images Ctbarnes : Glad I could be of service. Charles, SJ
52 Wukka : I would also add, however, that public displays of affection between the hetero crowd is still somewhat beyond what society is prepared to tolerate.
53 AerospaceFan : Agreed. It means that one can always posit that something is possible when, indeed, it is possible, on a technicality. But what concerns us is not me
54 DLPMMM : I for one would prefer to see the abolition of marriage in it's governmental form in total. If you want a religious marriage, fine. If you want to liv
55 Post contains images Solnabo : Maybe bit off topic, are gays accepted in Japan?? What about the rest of Asia? Thailand etc. Curious. Micke//SE
56 AerospaceFan : I could live with that. I think many people are fed up with government regulation of their lives, and marriage licenses can very well be seen as one
57 Seb146 : So what about women? They are genetically disposed to being women but that is protected under the Constitution. Those with dark skin are genetically
58 AerospaceFan : You can say that, but what I had in mind was more along the lines of Constitutional preference of one genetic disposition over another. Genetic dispo
59 DLPMMM : The existence or non-existence of a government sanctioned marriage status does nothing in reality to affect either incestuous or underage sexual cond
60 AerospaceFan : Good points. I don't disagree.
61 Pope : Granted but statistics show that most people, regardless of sexual orientation, do not spend the time to set up these documents ahead of time. Theref
62 Dw9115 : There are a few states that have laws on the books that make it illegal to have sex with the same sex. But no laws preventing a person from being gay
63 Ctbarnes : Unfortunately that argument dosen't quite work. If I do not buy a dog licence, does that necessarily mean I do not have the right to claim it at the
64 Pope : The difference is that owning a dog is not a fundamental civil right. As I've said before, discrimination is allowed under our constitution. The degr
65 Ctbarnes : Of course not. I was merely pointing out a flaw in your argument. This depends on how we define 'government.' It can be a little too easy to blame yo
66 Pope : But by using a counter argument that is itself flawed, have you really pointed out a flaw in my argument or solidified it by establishing my premise
67 Ctbarnes : Sorry, but I'm really at a loss as to what you're getting at.
68 Pope : Simply stated, What is the compelling government interest that would support denial of equal protection under the law for homosexual couples?
69 Mt99 : Easy: Votes. Bringing into light "morals" distract from the other issues. Galvanazing (an encouraging) population to see something as immoral will br
70 Seb146 : That line of thinking is what some people justify to keep gays down, so to speak. Since the Constitution does not say anything about discriminating b
71 AerospaceFan : Technically, if you work for a company in the United States, you can be fired for no reason at all if you do not have an employment contract with the
72 Pope : I think that depends on the state.
73 AerospaceFan : It's called "at will" employment. I think that all States recognize it, but I'd have to check.
74 Post contains links Searpqx : Absolutely - as long as they are using their own money. The second that they begin accepting government funding, they must be bound by the same rules
75 AerospaceFan : Please read what I wrote again:
76 Post contains images SKYSERVICE_330 : Good job Pope. If only more parents took this line of reasoning.
77 Searpqx : And please finish reading what I wrote: Even in at-will states, there are limits, no matter who has to do the legwork, to what an employer can do. In
78 AerospaceFan : I think we're talking past each other. If Employer says to Employee, "Thank you for your service. However, today was your last day here. Here is your
79 Searpqx : No, we're not talking past each other - you're missing my point. The ease of proof has no bearing on the situation. In the case of wrongfull terminat
80 Luv2fly : I think this sums it all up.... "The bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 to Heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love
81 Ctbarnes : Or to quote Winston Churchill: The trouble with legislating against sodomy is that half the population think such acts are impossible, and the other
82 AerospaceFan : No, I see your point, but it's not as powerful as you think, because much of the population already has the same problem that you claim gays have. An
83 Pdpsol : I have noticed no one, including Ctbarnes, has yet to provide a logical answer to the following question:
84 Post contains images Searpqx : And that is why we disagree on the concept of 'acceptance'. In Texas, an employer could walk up to me in front of my co-workers and say, "Duane, I he
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