Not only have they released and appologised to Cindy Sheehan for violating her rights, they have also appologised to Beverly Young, wife of Bob Young (R, FL) for removing her for wearing a "Support our Troops" t-shirt. Young has demanded that Hill Police undergo sensitivity training and the department has agreed to review its actions.
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StuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1629 times:
I guess they dropped the charges against Sheehan, too. What was it they took her in for? Oh yeah, "Aggravated Dumbass". I think that's a felony in some states!
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1617 times:
While I do not agree that political t-shirts should be allowed in the Capital, I'm glad to see they apologized to both women. I would have been appalled if they apologized to one and not the other!
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1617 times:
Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 1): I guess they dropped the charges against Sheehan, too. What was it they took her in for? Oh yeah, "Aggravated Dumbass". I think that's a felony in some states!
As usual, the Elephant only reports on one side. Maybe Mrs. Young was charged with being an aggrivated bitch, MAF. Oh, that ruins the image you want, of only one of them being idiots. I see.
You're obsession with Sheehan is as bad as her behavior.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 1): I guess they dropped the charges against Sheehan, too. What was it they took her in for? Oh yeah, "Aggravated Dumbass". I think that's a felony in some states!
Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 4): Yeah, I know. It was just humor, not a political argument. I'l take whatever heat you wanna give me on this one.
It was unfunny. She doesn't agree with you, most people don't.
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AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18806 posts, RR: 64 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1569 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 7): Other than that, not all GOPers agree with your stance on many things, and almost all Democrats disagree with you. Given the population spread of the country, that map is at the very least very flawed.
I'm curious how many people have worn this shirt in Texas or other red state and lived to tell about it.
It's this kind of holier-than-thou attitude that makes democrats more and more unelectable.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18806 posts, RR: 64 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8): It's this kind of holier-than-thou attitude that makes democrats more and more unelectable.
Seeing how you missed Reply #6 (now removed), makes your comment all the more funny.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8): I'm curious how many people have worn this shirt in Texas or other red state and lived to tell about it.
Sound like you are advocating murder. Are you?
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8): It's this kind of holier-than-thou attitude that makes democrats more and more unelectable.
Hey pal, you need to read the rest of my post. StuckinMAF's post was deleted before you read it. There is another shirt that states things in an opposite way. How about you step down off your holier than thou perch and realize that you made a mistake
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Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1551 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8): I'm curious how many people have worn this shirt in Texas or other red state and lived to tell about it.
It's this kind of holier-than-thou attitude that makes democrats more and more unelectable
Puhleeez, Charles. The holier-than-thou attitude is the righties telling people who oppose the war that they're guilty somehow of giving aid and comfort to the terrorists. The holier-than-thou is "if you're not with us, you're against us." It's the arrogance that somehow, as some have said, that Bush was appointed by God.
Nothing arrogant about opposing the war. What it is, Charles, is a MAJORITY.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 13): Hell, it was almost deleted before I posted it! Someone's got a moderator in their pocket!
Think again, I rarely ever hit SD.
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Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 55 Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2): While I do not agree that political t-shirts should be allowed in the Capital, I'm glad to see they apologized to both women.
I agree.
Regardless of my political views, I don't think that any T-shirts like those should be allowed on the Hill, especially during the State of the Union Address. Its more of an issue with manners rather than what the shirts actually say.
But, no one needed to be arrested for it and I think the police did the right thing here.
StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3211 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8): I'm curious how many people have worn this shirt in Texas or other red state and lived to tell about it.
I hope all of them, anyone wears a shirt like that should be allowed to. If anyone did and was assulted or killed they ones who did that are against everything the US stands for.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1504 times:
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17): Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):
I'm curious how many people have worn this shirt in Texas or other red state and lived to tell about it.
I hope all of them, anyone wears a shirt like that should be allowed to. If anyone did and was assulted or killed they ones who did that are against everything the US stands for.
Amen. But I guess it's a sin to dare protest against Bush's Holy and Just war in Iraq. I'm actually surprised some "red states" haven't outlawed such protest.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1487 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18): Amen. But I guess it's a sin to dare protest against Bush's Holy and Just war in Iraq.
I don't care about protesting Bush. But to walk around Houston with a t-shirt calling everyone in sight a "complete moron" is asking for what is commonly known as an "ass-whoopin'"
AAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 16 Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1475 times:
Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 1): I think that's a felony in some states!
It is a good thing that D.C is not part of any state then.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
I do wish that they didn't arrest Sheehan. I wish, in turn, that Sheehan would have then stood up every 2 minutes and swore at Bush at the SOTU speech.
I wish Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, and Kerry would be on TV EVEN MORE than they are now.
Nothing succeeds in politics like an opponent who both loves the camera and who is an ass in front of it.
In the 90's, I'm sure Clinton loved that Gingrich and Dole were on TV everyday from the House and Senate, respectively. It made Bill look in charge and in command of the nation.
By the way, when did that Gingrich get to be an "elder statesman" anyway? He should save some of his money and all of us our time and not run in 2008. He ain't going anywhere, just like Kerry and Gore.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18806 posts, RR: 64 Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1447 times:
Quoting Pope (Reply 22): I love the audacity of the left. If you're not for them, you're a moron.
Another ultra-right wing moment brought to us this time by Pope! You didn't read the whole thread, did you?
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18806 posts, RR: 64 Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1436 times:
LOL!! You still didn't see it, did you? Read the thread.
(There was an opposing t-shirt posted by MAF in Reply #6 that has since been deleted. N1120A's was a response.)
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25 Pope: I disagree. The Congress, particularly the House was supposed to be the people's House. Now, you can't even get into the gallery unless you have a pa
26 Pope: You are right, I didn't see the deleted post. How I could is beyond me. Please tell me how I'm supposed to see that which is no longer there. But reg
27 Gilligan: Yeah it is. Especially if you are wearing it anywhere near a bar on Friday or Saturday night.
28 AeroWesty: LOL! Because it's only mentioned about 3 times or more that it's missing. As I said, read the thread.
29 MidnightMike: They acted very fair & as you said, apoligized to both parties. I wonder if Cindy Sheehan is going to apoligize for lying when she said that she was
30 Gunsontheroof: You'd probably be pissed to if your kid died in Iraq. Ironic choice of words. Very true. It also illustrates a key difference between radical liberal
31 GuitrThree: Yea... right.. I seem to remember that the ONLY people prosecuted for election hampering in both the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections were a bunc
32 DrDeke: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Ms. Sheehan DID get arrested for it! So how did the police do the right thing? -DrDeke
33 Gunsontheroof: Doesn't really compare to the alleged "ass-whoopin" I'd undoubtedly recieve for wearing the depicted shirt in downtown Houston, but point taken. I wo
34 MDorBust: I assure you, if I happen to see a person being assaulted because of what their shirt says, the assailant will have a very personal view of the busin
35 IceTitan447: Total BS, the rules are that no political t-shirts be warn in the chamber, she was wearing one, removed and now boo hoo? Move on, catch a flight to C
36 DrDeke: BS indeed. That is not the rule. The rule is that you may not unfurl a banner in the chamber. Ms. Sheehan did not do that. Case closed. Sounds like a
37 Usnseallt82: Nobody is trying to prevent them from exercising their right to free speech.............God knows Sheehan has exercised the hell out of that. But the
38 Gilligan: Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I'd be hard pressed to believe their beliefs haven't been surpressed in the classro
40 MD-90: If you didn't read it in the other thread: What Really Happened, by Cindy Sheehan Which is precisely what she wasn't doing. I wore the shirt to make a
42 StarAC17: Then those people who would do that do not understand ot choose to ignore what have been fought for in the last 200 years and unless the shirt has a
43 Usnseallt82: Do you realize that you pretty much contradicted your point? But yet.... Didn't want attention, but wore the shirt to make a statement................
44 StuckinMAF: First off, let me say I am having a lot of fun with this thread, and I hope that both those who agree with me and those that don't are, too! Yes, but
45 Gunsontheroof: I'll admit it. The College Republicans cubicle in the student activities center has a big sign taped to the outside wall that says "STOP MESSING WITH
46 Gunsontheroof: A good point, but allow me to offer my reasoning. As you've said, the men and women in our military voluntarily enlist for duty that may very well pl
47 StarAC17: Not really, calling someone a moron isn't exactly a prejudice statement and is seen as free speech, If the shirt said "Redneck Morons" or something t
48 MDorBust: Do you believe in the right to self defense? Do you believe in the defense of a third person? Would you stop a person rapeing your daughter? Harsh qu
49 MidnightMike: Give me a break, she was roughed up in front of all that media, special guest guest, & Politicians. Can't she just tell the truth for once....
50 Usnseallt82: I want you to very carefully read what I wrote, read the reference to MD-90's post, and then read my original post. Take all the time you need.
51 Pacificjourney: Yet you're not bothered to live in place where someone would get assaulted for their t-shirt in the first place. Priorities I suppose ....
52 Gunsontheroof: My focus was directed more at your words, not your ideas. You do raise a tough question, but I've never seen anything, statistics or otherwise to sug
53 Gilligan: I have never understood this thinking that the President of the United States should attend one of those funerals. Is it somehow going to bring back
54 StuckinMAF: I know a lot of people disagree with the notion, but the war was still justified even without the question of WMD's. Because of what has happened in
55 Halls120: What was so awful about it that it was deleted? You are right, the police shouldn't have arrested her, but I'm not all that bothered that she was eje
56 StuckinMAF: I won't post the picture again, but if you want to have a look at it, here's a link. BTW, it was only the picture, not the associated buttons around
57 Halls120: Wow. One of the board monitors must have an awfully thin skin. oops. I've probably just made sure this post will be deleted.
58 Gunsontheroof: So it's justified despite the fact that the alleged security threat wasn't there and the country doesn't have a chance in hell of sustaining a stable
59 MD-90: Usnseallt82 obviously doesn't seem to understand that making a statement is not being a "jackass protester trying to whore away the attention." Why? H
60 N1120A: Speech is free in this country, particularly political speech which is given the highest standard of protection. Both women were exercising their rig
61 Cfalk: It IS prejudice!!! You are calling evreyone in an area a moron because of where they live. It is no different than if you called them that if their s
62 Gunsontheroof: I was looking for that map when I pointed out the fact that there are a lot more people in the blue counties than the red ones. Thanks for finding an
63 Usnseallt82: For the last time, this isn't about Constitutionality. This is about an idiotic woman who has a reputation for disruptive behavior trying to make a s
64 N1120A: Whatever you consider it, whatever you think of Cindy Sheehan, it doesn't take away from what her rights are. I didn't twist anything. I stated why s
65 Gunsontheroof: Have a look at this study, you'll see an interesting coralation between voting patterns and education (as well as some other interesting factors). Yo
67 Cfalk: Have a look at this definition: id·i·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-t) n. 1. A foolish or stupid person. 2. A person of profound mental retardation h
69 Gilligan: I wonder if perhaps he has not written a letter or two to some of the deceased families? I do not know nor do I have any information that he has or h
70 Gunsontheroof: It's pretty evident you didn't read far enough to find out where that data actually came from. I'm reasonably certain that the U.S. Census, governmen
71 Cfalk: It appeared years ago, and was debunked immediately.
72 Gunsontheroof: The Wal-Mart data is from 2004. It couldn't have been that many years ago. I eagerly await your sources for debunking these findings. The rest of us
73 N1120A: Take a look at the home page for the site. It is based on very legitimate research
74 Pope: Umm. That's exactly what the were trying to do. She was removed from the location because she was a protester. That's what the police officer told he
75 Gunsontheroof: Summed up very nicely. I appreciate your objectivity on the issue.
76 Cfalk: Look, the data might be valid, but the correlations are not. Here is an example of what I am talking about. If I took the time to accumulate the crim
77 Cfalk: It's simple decorum. You do not have the right to yell "fire" in a theater, and Congress has decided that the capital will be governed by the rules o
78 Gunsontheroof: Great example of why we can't put too much weight on this kind of analysis. However, your supposedly ridiculous conclusion that most criminals are De
79 AeroWesty: You know this based upon ... ? Very one-sided, Cfalk. No where in your argument do you support charges being filed against Rep. Young, whose wife was
80 Halls120: I love it. "Any" rule? I guess the Supreme Court didn't get your memo on the subject!!! Our resident legal guru is once again issuing a broad mandate
81 Pope: {red flag] The difference is that one is a public safety issue and the other one is not. Surely you're not saying that allowing Sheehan to stay riske
82 StuckinMAF: Did I say Hussein had anything to do with 9/11? As far as I am concerned, the two can be treated as completely separate issues, but related in that b
83 Pope: Well disagreement is good. It makes us have to justify our positions. Unless you work for the government, your employer terminating you for wearing s
84 Halls120: As my previous post illustrates, Congress - and the courts have upheld - reasonable restrictions on the exercise of that right in public places. Afte
85 Pope: My post conceeds that but points out that such restrictions require a compelling government interest and that they be narrowly tailored. As of yet no
86 StuckinMAF: Which, in this case anyway, they were. It was almost a blessing that Beverly Young was also not allowed to wear her T-shirt to the event too. And it
87 Halls120: Here's some more evidence of how incredibly wrong you are on this issue. you might want to consider asking for a tuiton rebate.
88 Usnseallt82: When you deflate your head and grasp some common sense, then come and talk to me. I'm starting to wonder this myself. His arrogance is getting in the
89 GuitrThree: Pope, I hate to disagree with you here, but I think in this case you are wrong. The government DOES have the right to arbitrarily dictate where you c
90 Halls120: I'm not sure what the rules are up on the Hill. Time to reach out to one of my Hill sources, I guess.
91 MD-90: Sure you do...if there's a fire! The only one disturbing the peace was the officer who forcibly removed her from the gallery. I take her at her word
92 Pope: After you pointed that out, I did some thinking and now believe that it's an even more interesting Constitutional issue than we first discussed. Arti
93 N1120A: This is not fire in a theater To both of you, I submit Cohen v. California as the definitive case on this subject.
94 L-188: Pretty much my view. You shoudl see the press grumbling up here because the state legislature is enforcing coat and tie rules for the press covering
95 Pope: Now, be careful because you're making an argument that wasn't the basis of her expulsion. The officer who detained her shouted "protester" not "t-shi
96 MDorBust: Could quite possibly be a more effective weapon than some of the silly caliber popguns I've seen some people carry.
97 StuckinMAF: A .22 in your pocket is always better than a .45 left at home!
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