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Egyptian Cruise Ship Has Disappeared  
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

"AP report: Egyptian cruise ship with 1,300 people on board has disappeared from radar screens in Red Sea off Saudi coast" CNN says...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/03/egypt.ship.ap/index.html

Quote:
An Egyptian helicopter spotted a lifeboat carrying three people, an official said. He added the search was being hampered by bad weather.

Doesn't sound good...  Sad

[Edited 2006-02-03 11:55:03]

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User currently offlineSean377 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1225 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

The BBC are reporting this as breaking news too.

wtf??? indeed!!!



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

This is very sad news, and a tragedy, if true.

Fox News Channel is repeating the news from the AP.

Fox also reports that bodies have been seen floating near where the ferry could have gone.

 Sad


User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 2):
Fox also reports that bodies have been seen floating near where the ferry could have gone.

It has just been reported on the danish news as well.. they too said that bodies have been found floating around...  Sad

Poor souls.. may they rest in peace...

I hope the people that are still alive will be saved... it's just terrible...


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

The ferry looks like a fairly large vessel, if the photo that Fox has been showing is accurate. And 1,300 -- what a huge number.

If these reports are true, what a shame that there couldn't have been rescue and recovery efforts mounted much earlier! Right now, it seems like they're just reporting bodies.  Sad


User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

updated article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/03/egypt.ship/index.html

it's now "more than 1400 people"....

[Edited 2006-02-03 12:13:59]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

WTF? Weather? Was it clear. Ships simple don't "disappear".

User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Ships simple don't "disappear".



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 8):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
Did JPG step aboard?

'Nuff said.

---

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"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
WTF? Weather? Was it clear. Ships simple don't "disappear".

No they don't... the ship has sunk, not "just disappeared".


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Hope things turn out not too bad. Sad

[Edited 2006-02-03 12:22:10]


One Life, Live it.
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

I read that news article. Interesting. They're not broadcasting it here in the UK yet (I don't have News 24) so I can't hear what else is happening.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
I read that news article. Interesting. They're not broadcasting it here in the UK yet (I don't have News 24) so I can't hear what else is happening.

It's on Sky News



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User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
It's on Sky News

Don't have Sky. Just have the basic 4.  Silly



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Don't have Sky. Just have the basic 4.

LAMER!

Let's just hope that there are not many dead

[Edited 2006-02-03 12:26:47]


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User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

They said here on Germany radio the financial markets reacted already to that disaster, since some people think it was a terror attack!!!

Lets hope not! That would be absolutely bad.......  Sad



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 10):
No they don't... the ship has sunk, not "just disappeared".

Blinding flash of the obvious there JAP. I was quoting the CNN Article, that says:
An Egyptian cruise ship with 1,300 people on board has disappeared from radar screens in the Red Sea

Believe it or not I really read it.  wink  Strange quirk I have, reading links before commenting.  wink 

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 16):
They said here on Germany radio the financial markets reacted already to that disaster, since some people think it was a terror attack!!!

A bit early for that I think. Plausible, yes.

Interesting the ship didn't send a May-Day - or at least that's not been reported.

Too many questions to be answered yet.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

The latest from CNN Headline News (live) is that there may be survivors. Let's hope so!

Also, CNN HN has just revised its caption from "Some 1,000 aboard" to "Some 1,400 aboard".

[Edited 2006-02-03 12:40:01]

User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Blinding flash of the obvious there JAP. I was quoting the CNN Article, that says:
An Egyptian cruise ship with 1,300 people on board has disappeared from radar screens in the Red Sea

Believe it or not I really read it. wink Strange quirk I have, reading links before commenting. wink

 biggrin 

This is a.net, how was I supposed to know you weren't serious?  Wink


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4676916.stm

User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 20):



Quote:
A sister ship of the al-Salam 98 sank in the Red Sea in October after a collision.

2 ships from the same company sinks in a period of 4 months... ouch..  Sad


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

If the reports of sinking are true, I do wonder where God is for the people on the ferry in a time like this.   Why would a loving God permit such a thing to happen? There are so many tragedies in history. It all seems such a waste, a terrible waste.

It's said that Voltaire and others concluded from the discovery of Vesuvius that there was no sense or reason to "acts of God". Indeed, aren't we insulting God by attributing to him such things, and earthquakes and tsunamis?

The world can be a very horrible place.

[Edited 2006-02-03 12:59:55]

User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19260 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

So, while we're here discussing it in nice, comfortable surroundings, they're swimming for their lives in freezing water. Doesn't life make you sick sometimes?!  Sad


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 23):
I do wonder where God is

Nowhere because he doesn't exist - it's all man-made clap trap.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 25):
Nowhere because he doesn't exist - it's all man-made clap trap.

I think that an increasing number of people have come to that conclusion.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7313 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 3):
Poor souls.. may they rest in peace...

There for the grace of god we go.



The world is really getting smaller these days
25 KSYR : Believe what you want (you are wrong, however) but lets leave politics and religion out of this thread. This is about a terrible disaster; nothing el
26 Pe@rson : It's so hypocritical: if this was the 2001 Twin Towers event, everyone would be devastated. Yet everyone's mocking it. Grow-up. Senseless idiots.
27 BCAL : From the preliminary reports this tragedy seems to bear the hallmarks of the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster - when a roll on-roll off ferry left D
28 Pe@rson : Rather like the Zeebroker incident?
29 ANCFlyer : I realize this ship was a ferry, but was it RO-RO? Also, looking at the picture it appears as though several decks of superstructure have been added
30 Post contains images Pilot kaz : Damn those poor people, I hope they find some alive!, this is a terrible way to go
31 Post contains links Cornish : Ironically if you look at the company link below from the BBC website, then the pics of their ferries show many of them still in P&O colours, as if t
32 Post contains links and images 9VSPO : It's a big one. Length LL: 118.11 m (~ 387.50 ft) Width: 23.60 m (~ 77.43 ft) Gross Tonnage: 11,779 t Passengers: 1,487
33 EGGD : Doesn't look good from the news reports. This isn't turning out to be a particularly nice day.
34 NoUFO : I can't believe some people are cracking jokes about it. 1,300 or 1,400 people may be death - guys that's one WTC tower! I sense that certain people f
35 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Looking at the picture of the ship on the link below it appears as though there is no bow door, but rather a car deck door on the starbord side forwa
36 Dba4U : Well, this ship seems to be very high. The upper 3 decks are looking quiet strange. And the whole ship looks pretty shabby. A big disaster anyway...
37 CHRISBA777ER : One of the former SNCM ships I think. Anyway - for her to have gone down that quickly there would have to have been water ingress below-decks, on the
38 Post contains images Cornish : " target=_blank>http://www.elsalammaritime.com/pvess....html My mistake - I misread the 89 (the old British ferry) as the 98. The Britsh ferries had f
39 Halls120 : Sure they do. In 1990, the F/V Aleutian Enterprise sank off of St. Paul Is. in less than 30 minutes after hauling up a cod end that was larger than e
40 Post contains links and images Aloges : Egyptian authorities apparently have confirmed the ship has sunk. My sincere condolences to everyone affected by this tragedy, no matter if they've be
41 ME AVN FAN : whether it contributed to the disaster or not, such a change appears to be rather crazy.
42 OYRJA : I just read this horrible story as well. I do feel very sorry for the relatives. And my thoughts are with them. And for the victims may you rest in pe
43 Post contains links and images Aloges : Not necessarily - if you can get a ship for a good price (or already have operated it for some time) and need extra capacity, it can be a good option
44 ANCFlyer : Perhaps complicated, but I believe smarter. Alaska has ferries. Three of them (Malaspina, Matanuska and Tustamena) have been stretched rather than ha
45 Halls120 : Adding length may be more complicated, but it is a hell of a lot safer than adding to the superstructure. I've boarded fishing boats in the Bering th
46 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yes she is, and renovated in the mid-1990s. New cabins, they extended the bridge forward, new engines, new vehicle elevator. Here ya go:
47 Post contains links and images Aloges : Depends, the way it was done on M/S Vesterålen and her sister ships probably didn't affect things that badly: old stern vs. new one; sorry but I did
48 Halls120 : Wow. She DOES look different. Thanks for the photo. I do miss Alaska.....
49 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Those modifications look pretty benign . . . The ship in question above appears to have had a significant increase in superstructure. Obviously, one
50 Post contains images Aloges : Yup, and the cabins inside it are rather comfy. Obviously a ship sailing the Norwegian and Barents Seas would have to be different from ones travelli
51 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Damn this is awful Lee
52 Post contains images Jap : OT: aloges... buy danish? Referring to the boykot?
53 Post contains images Alessandro : Ship orginally built in 1969 for 500 passengers, rebuilt in Italy for 1300 passengers during the 1990ies, ferry had +1400 onboard and 220 cars, so far
54 Post contains images Aloges : Hit ctrl & reload, I replaced it with just the flag. It looks better that way. Doing on here what can be done on here to undermine it!
55 9VSPO : 100 people rescued so far according to Egyptian TV.
56 Halls120 : Thanks!
57 Post contains links Jap : more from cnn: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/03/egypt.ship/index.html
58 WhiteHatter : Even more tragic...many passengers were reported to be returning from Hajj. So this tragedy has struck at a particularly poignant time. Reports on Sky
59 Post contains images Aloges : Hmmm... not to sound cynical or anything, this is an honest question about Islam: Could this be construed as "they will go directly to heaven"? That
60 WhiteHatter : That's a question for the Muslim scholars but as they were technically still on the pilgrimage, dying whilst on Hajj means entry into heaven. A retur
61 9VSPO : That was 3 weeks ago so it's unlikely people will still be returning from that.
62 WhiteHatter : Hajj flights are still arriving at MAN. There are two today.
63 TUNisia : A great tragedy in such a beautiful part of the world. Does anyone know exactly which port in Egypt this ferry was going to? The media hasn't said, if
64 ME AVN FAN : Safaga was mentioned as destination-seaport
65 Tbar220 : Geeebus, this is horrible. Very scary situtation. Very creeepy, I dreamt about being on a ship that sank last night.
66 Amy : ITV News reported 1310 passengers and 96 crew on board. What a tragedy, my thoughts are with family and friends of those departed.
67 Cptkrell : Interestingly, it has been reported (MSNBC) that help from the USA was refused and the British, who were already in the process of helping, were order
68 Post contains links Kevin : The reason of the disaster is pretty clear. If you look at the ferry info you will see that the ship can carry 800 people. They managed to load 1400.
69 Alessandro : It was 1158 Egyptians, 99 Saudis, 6 Syrians, 4 stateless (Palestinan), 1 UAE, 1 Omani, 1 Canadian, 1 Yemenite and 1 Sudanese onboard the wessel accord
70 OV735 : Actually, the website says the ship could carry 1406 passengers (328 in 1st class cabins, 538 in 2nd class cabins, 270 on Pullman seats and 270 who w
71 Alessandro : 263 survivors according to Swedish media...
72 TUNisia : It is also worth mentioning that the upper three decks were added to the ship later on its life. Did this added weight at the top contribute at all?
73 L-188 : Correct. It just takes seconds for a top-heavy ship to roll. That is why ice is such a dangerous thing. It adds weight and mass topside, and if you l
74 Aleksandar : I was really sad to hear the news. May God bless the souls of victims. This really seems like a very strange accident and the number of dead is simply
75 Ihadapheo : I am truly saddened to hear of this horrific loss life. I can not imagine the horror of being the ship as this happened. IHAP
76 ME AVN FAN : this is hardly the place for "shopping in Denmark promotions" and such political declarations which have nothing to do with the topic no, this is non
77 AeroWesty : My remarks were not in regard to deleting this thread, but to several disrespectful posts which are now deleted.
78 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Halls, here's another site you might find of interest . . . . http://www.interislandferry.com/
79 ME AVN FAN : well, some of the car-ferries of the ferries between Jersey and Britain looked quite similar actually
80 RayChuang : I think right now we need to consider the following in regards to this unfortunate tragedy: 1. Was the ship's structure too top-heavy, which made it h
81 Post contains links and images CO7e7 : Here's the lastest news: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...24-DD1A-4A3D-9953-9E094BCD1391.htm to the dead... and my to those still in the Sea and
82 LTBEWR : Apparently many of the passangers on board were Egyptians who work or were working in Saudia Arabia, so most of them were probably relatively poor or
83 Beaucaire : There are reports that just shortly after leaving Saudi Arabia a fire broke out under board and the crew tried without success to fight the incident.
84 Jamesbuk : Hi guys and girls Just heard on the radio that about 350-400 people have been rescued but they dont think theres much hope for the others, could any s
85 Post contains links Pilot kaz : Due to Fire apprently.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/4677932.stm
86 Post contains links Cfalk : Small wonder. The crew knew there were not enough boats. Apparently, the crew told the passengers that they were safe, and to take off their life jac
87 TUNisia : The waters of the Red Sea are very warm the whole year round. I don't know why someone on NBC Nightly News last night said "the freezing waters of th
88 Halls120 : Looks like the Captain and crew may have really screwed up. A fire breaks out, and you don't return to the nearest port? And you abandon ship before y
89 AerospaceFan : If anything good comes from this horrific tragedy, it may be that it might be a wake-up call for the maritime authorities in the countries involved. T
90 Jamesbuk : I guess thats true i dont believe its possible to swim for 36 hours unless your superhuman. Rgds --James--
91 ME AVN FAN : newer reports say it was more than an hour after having left the port, which to me is NOT "shortly". The "shortly" apparently applied to the breaking
92 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : An amazing story on www.skynews.co.uk : **************************************** Remarkable Survival Tale Updated: 12:51, Sunday February 05, 2006 Pic
93 Halls120 : The fire started when the ship was just a few hours away from its departure port. A competent seaman would have turned back.
94 ME AVN FAN : a competent one, yes. Particularily as the fire to all appearances started maybe a quarter hour after departure. When the ship sunk it was actually h
95 Prebennorholm : I wonder if we will ever know half as much about this terrible disaster as we have known for 90 years about Titanic. Anyway, here is what I have found
96 ME AVN FAN : Saudi Arabia has just banned a sister ship of the one which sunk
97 Post contains images Pilot kaz :
98 ME AVN FAN : - And THIS was THE crew which according to the shipping-line was "well educated and well trained and highly qualified, and had all required instructi
99 Prebennorholm : That's what I wrote yesterday. Today I have heard (unconfirmed) that also the USA immediately offered search and rescue assistance. With E-3 AWACS an
100 ME AVN FAN : As much criticism is placed on that glorious shipping line, nobody criticizes the Egyptian Navy which did excellent work. - Somebody might have sent
101 Halls120 : The UK offered assistance as well, which was also rejected. Given that both the US and UK had assets in the area which could have assisted, that thes
102 ME AVN FAN : Sorry, but I think you jump onto the tail of the camel. The Egyptians had their own forces in the area and rescued 400 people. In the bad weather, mo
103 Halls120 : Are you telling us that the Egyptians had all the forces they needed? Then why after intially refusing the offers of assistance, did they reverse cou
104 ME AVN FAN : suppose, I have to correct to "had in principle". It is known that they had at least 4 naval vessels involved. Why refuse and then invite again ? The
105 Halls120 : But the initial US offer included aircraft as well as ships. How could the mechanical problems of Egyptian naval vessels affect a decision to let air
106 ME AVN FAN : Egypt has sufficient aircraft at disposal, and did NOT feel to be in need of others.
107 Halls120 : Then why did they ask the US to send a search plane?
108 Prebennorholm : They found a living boy on the sea 72 hours after the disaster. That proves a highly inefficient search performance. We can only guess how many died
109 L-188 : Sorry but I don't buy it....in the case of an emergency you ask for help and send in everybody.
110 ME AVN FAN : due to lack of technology for the purpose. Suppose that equipment they HAD did not work. they rescued more than 360 and Saudi Arabia less than 50. So
111 Halls120 : You are correct - it would have been wiser to have accepted all of the offers of help, instead of at first rejecting them, and then later on acceptin
112 QR332 : It has nothing to do with Western/non-Western countries, Egypt is one of the biggest recievers of aid from the US, and has a government which is very
113 Halls120 : So I'll ask again. Why, when people's lives were at stake, did Egypt initially refuse offers of assistance?
114 ME AVN FAN : the question was NOT "western" countries but simply OTHER countries because > people in charge thought they would be up to the situation themselves >
115 Post contains images ANCFlyer : The people in charge weren't floating about the Red Sea having had their ship sink from under them. What problems? Seems to me it wouldn't make a hoo
116 ME AVN FAN : by "people in charge" I mean those in charge at the A.R.E.-Navy
117 ME AVN FAN : fully agree, EXCEPT that you do NOT realize sufficiently that things like co-ordination and bureaucracy are the curse in most of the Mediterranean an
118 ME AVN FAN : ridiculous it may be, but it quite obviously simply is fact
119 L-188 : I think you are correct with the last two....1st one maybe.
120 QR332 : Lebanon and Syria do not count as "all over".
121 Jamesbuk : Hi Does anyone have the final figures for the survivors?? I ask this as they arent covering it on the news anymore so i thought id ask the more inform
122 L-188 : In Pakistan it is only the Pizzia Huts and McDonalds that are getting torched.
123 Jamesbuk : Does that mean for once the food really will be flame-grilled?? Rgds --James--
124 ME AVN FAN : -- here the reports of al-Ahram-Weekly : - ----------------------------------- ELUSIVE CULPRIT -- AGAIN Magda El-Ghitany reports from Safaga on the m
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