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Worldwide Muslim Reaction To Denmark Cartoons  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

Not sure if this has been covered here yet...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html

Governments across Europe, the Middle East and Asia were reluctantly sucked into the Danish cartoon row yesterday as hundreds of thousands of Muslims took to the streets to protest.

The dispute spread to London for the first time. More than 500 people, led by the extremist group al-Ghuraba, formerly al-Mujahiroun, marched to the Danish embassy in Knightsbridge carrying banners calling on Muslims to "massacre" those who insult Islam and chanting: "Britain, you will pay, 7/7 on its way."

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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

While I don't agree with the extremist groups, the Danish press was not very smart to publish that cartoon twice.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

It's been covered... in several threads  Wink

Quoting David b. (Reply 1):
While I don't agree with the extremist groups, the Danish press was not very smart to publish that cartoon twice.

Why shouldn't they? We live in a free country, the only people who aren't smart are the ones who take this to extremes- and that isn't denmark.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

If they know that a reaction like this was going to happen, and with the volatile situation in the middle east, the newspapers themselves should have take precautions. Its like someone yelling fire or bomb in a crowed building.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting David b. (Reply 3):
If they know that a reaction like this was going to happen, and with the volatile situation in the middle east, the newspapers themselves should have take precautions. Its like someone yelling fire or bomb in a crowed building.

But they DIDN'T know. Who in their right mind would go this far over a bunch of drawings?

JyllandsPosten said that all they wanted was to test how far they could go before any (moderate) reactions happened. I don't think anyone expected this. If they knew this was to happen, of course they wouldn't have published the drawings.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

JyllandsPosten said that all they wanted was to test how far they could go before any (moderate) reactions happened. I don't think anyone expected this. If they knew this was to happen, of course they wouldn't have published the drawings.



Not very smart to push your luck.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting David b. (Reply 5):

Not very smart to push your luck.

They wanted a discussion. Not jihaad or boycot or anything.

Come on- would YOU expect a bunch of cartoons to create this much havoc?


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Seriously, given the situation in the middle east and the reactions to past events, the have to have know something like this was going to happen. The guy still pushed his luck, so here we have a strong backlash.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 4):
Who in their right mind would go this far over a bunch of drawings?

Muslims have been very loyal to their religion over the years. Everyone
knows how we react to ridicule of our Prophets and Imams. Don't
forget Salman Rushdie. Don't give me that BS. They went out of their way
to make fun of our religion and they knew exactly the reaction they would
get. I do not like violence at all but they should have known better.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3631 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

And they wonder why these savages were shown this way in a CARTOON.

They freak out and riot over a CARTOON. They deserve to be made fun of.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

The reaction might have been a too strong but they knew this was going to happen.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 9):
They freak out and riot over a CARTOON. They deserve to be made fun of.

Ironically enough, this whole incident will likely create many more cartoons ridiculing Islam...Just further creating more stereotypes on both sides.


User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Ironically enough, this whole incident will likely create many more cartoons ridiculing Islam...Just further creating more stereotypes on both sides.


Sad but true.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 9):
And they wonder why these savages were shown this way in a CARTOON.

They freak out and riot over a CARTOON. They deserve to be made fun of.

 thumbsup 

I don't agree that they deserve to be made fun of. But the reaction is way too ridiculous...

it's a bloody cartoon... people in saudi arabia burn bibles EVERY DAY, and it's even prohibited to bring a bible into the country... yet, when we publish a bloody cartoon, hell breaks loose... honestly...


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 9):
They freak out and riot over a CARTOON. They deserve to be made fun of.

Don't give me that "THEY" bullshit. Not all muslims are out there over reacting.
Nobody makes fun of our Prophet. The person who drew those disgusting
pictures and the person who authorized to have them published are
racist pigs.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
The person who drew those disgusting
pictures and the person who authorized to have them published are
racist pigs.

Nopes. They just liked money and publicity very much. I don't think they give a f*ck about islam.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
The person who drew those disgusting
pictures and the person who authorized to have them published are
racist pigs.

Just as much as those in the muslim world who publish anti-semetic and anti-israel cartoons.

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
Not all muslims are out there over reacting.

No, but they are making it hard for the rest of the world to have any sympathy.


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

PIA777 I understand that you do not want to be compared with THEM, and please don't feel that it is Muslims like you.

There is just no easy way to speak with out the word them going into the context.

The fact is that the tv shows a mass of people, calling them other stuff than they or them would really complicate discussing the ordeal now wouldn't it?

Boaz...



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
Nobody makes fun of our Prophet. The person who drew those disgusting
pictures and the person who authorized to have them published are
racist pigs.

Are you saying they shouldn't have been allowed to publish the cartoon?


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 8):
They went out of their way
to make fun of our religion and they knew exactly the reaction they would
get. I do not like violence at all but they should have known better.

"They should have known better" What kind of excuse is that? Why is it that the Arab media regularly publishes Anti American and Semitic material? Maybe the next time American bombs fall on an Arab country and kill civilians I will they, "Maybe they should have known better.."

The Arab world ought to be ashamed of the violent response to a bunch of cartoons. Where is their self restraint? Why can't they protest peacefully?

What gives them the right to dictate to a SOVEREIGN nation? Who are they to call for limits on OUR freedoms? Newsflash, the world isn't under Islamic Law. Respect is EARNED not commanded by Islamic Extremists! Right now Muslim extremists are "going out of their way" to Burn Embassies...Hmm, so if Denmark loads up a bunch of F-16's with bombs and retaliates, are you going to criticize them?

Hypocracy reigns here on A-Net...

Sam


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
Don't give me that "THEY" bullshit. Not all muslims are out there over reacting.
Nobody makes fun of our Prophet. The person who drew those disgusting
pictures and the person who authorized to have them published are
racist pigs.

PIA777

So what about those hundreds of people that set the embassy on fire, they are fine, right, because someone drew a cartoon. Totally on the same level. Im going to have some bacon now.



A guy asks 'What's Punk?'. I kick over a trash can and its punk. He knocks over a trash can and its trendy.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 8):
Muslims have been very loyal to their religion over the years. Everyone
knows how we react to ridicule of our Prophets and Imams. Don't
forget Salman Rushdie. Don't give me that BS. They went out of their way
to make fun of our religion and they knew exactly the reaction they would
get. I do not like violence at all but they should have known better.

Pathetic and patronising nonsense.

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are fundamental. Much more so than any percieved right to practice religion or not be offended.

Protest is one thing, threatening death upon the editors of the papers is another thing. It must always be borne in mind that the West is liberal. Whether Islam fits into that idea or not is another debate, but Muslims must remember that the West has fought fascism before, and will fight and win again if need be.

That being said, there are racial tensiosn in Denmark. The cartoon itself isn't funny, and is pretty insulting in my mind. Furthermore, the re-printing of the cartoon in the European press was a clear attempt to piss people off. While no one denies the press are free, just because they can do something doesn't mean they should do something.

The complete overreaction and threats from some members of the Muslim population cannot be excused, however. If you don't like the liberalism of the West, feel free to leave.


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
The person who drew those disgusting
pictures and the person who authorized to have them published are
racist pigs.

You are right but doing this now does nothing to help the 'muslim world', it just reinforces people's preduces against them. That's just my opinion.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Speaking of racist pigs, I have yet to see PIA777 complain about the gross anti-semetism prevalent throughout the Islamic press.

User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1720 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 14):
Nobody makes fun of our Prophet.

That may well be true in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, but in the West you can make fun of what ever you like. The cartoons in question are rude and offensive, there is no doubt, but hearing or seeing rude and offensive things from time to time is something you have to accept in a free society. You cannot have pluralism and freedom of expression if you are going to subordinate people's right to free speech to religious taboos.



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25 Dtwclipper : Yes, we've been asking that question time and time again, but no one will answer us.
26 Texdravid : PIA77's response is so typical of the responses from the Islamic world this week. The west has no right to make fun of us, make fun of our prophet, an
27 Dtwclipper : That's the entire point, they don't want to be a part of the modern world, that is the extremist factions.
28 Shamrock350 : I dont think it was right to publish the cartoon but the words "Denmark you will pay 7/7 is on it's way" is just scary and holding a banner saying "Eu
29 PIA777 : I think they should have used better judgement. PIA777
30 Post contains images Newark777 : I think this goes better with the Muslims' reaction. I think I'm going to go burn down an embassy the next time I don't agree with a country's action
31 777236ER : STILL no condemnation of the anti-semetisim rife in the Muslim press!
32 PIA777 : You want to make fun of muslims who blow people up and fly planes into buildings and who are stoping the peace process in Israel and Palestine and tho
33 PIA777 : They would be a shame who ever did that. Could you please show me these drawings. I think all religions should be respected and other people should n
34 Post contains links FiddleSticks : http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/asam_july_dec_intro_2005.htm
35 PIA777 : " target=_blank>http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/a...5.htm That is awful, the Jews of the world should have protested. PIA777
36 PIA777 : It is a lovely peacful religion. I will overlook your sarcasm. PIA777
37 11Bravo : ..., and that's just from a six month period. This has been going on for decades.
38 Post contains images Gkirk : So what is with all the crap on the news then? Peace protests?
39 9VSPO : Just look at Jehovas Witnesses. They get made fun of all the time. You don't see them running round burning buildings and stuff. If you believe in yo
40 PIA777 : Those people who set fire to the Embassy are idots who need to be brought to justice. You are not offending any muslim by going out and filling your
41 GDB : PIA777, come off it, the Islamic world is notorious for, as in quite recent Arab press 'cartoons,' depicting Jews as cannibal's, making 'films' based
42 Post contains links and images L410Turbolet : Of course it is... This article adds quite interesting perspectve. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§...6&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom
43 JamesAg96 : No doubt they should have attacked the artists and burned down buildings in protest, but they didn't because they (for the most part) are sane. This,
44 Bravo45 : I think the west (as the muslim world calls it) can be proud of making the (as they call it)Arab world's overall record look much better now. I would
45 Mdsh00 : I brought this up in another thread but a few years ago, American Eagle Clothing company made a series of clothes poking fun at Hindu Dieties. There
46 Sv7887 : What part of Freedom of Speech do you not understand??? Our country OUR rules. Denying the Holocaust? Are you kidding me? I think there are 5 Million
47 AvObserver : Although I often condemn unwarranted bigotry toward peaceful average Muslims in the U.S., this is a great point. We can't allow extremists with no to
48 N1120A : The Crusades, the Inquisition, the McCarthy Era, Oklahoma City, the Minutemen...
49 Post contains images N1120A : And you prove once again you don't know the defination of that word. Well, so much for promoting peace and freedom. Keep it up though, only 9 more po
50 Dtwclipper : Can we not assume that the western world has matured in the last 1000-500 years? Just because we had a brutal past does not mean that Muslims are ent
51 Bravo45 : You country your rules, fair enough. Stop calling it freedom of speech. Theres the point, first off start reading my posts CORRECTLY or don't reply.
52 N1120A : Dictatorships don't lash out in the interests of their people, they lash out in their own self-interest. Given what happened in the aftermath of 9/11
53 Emirates773ER : Its nothing new on these forums Bravo45, every now and then we have a thread which accuses Islam of all the troubles in this world and it doesn't hel
54 Dtwclipper : Ah, so maybe it's time for a change. I'm sorry, what exactly happened here in Detroit? What? No, the west has. The Arab world needs to start on the r
55 L410Turbolet : YOU do not draw caricatures of Mohammed. Don't force your rules upon everyone else who does not believe in YOUR religion.
56 Mdsh00 : Then equally, Arab newspapers shouldn't produce hate-filled anti-semetic and anti-western cartoons either. Respect is a two-way street my friend.
57 Post contains images N1120A : Sure, but those dictators were put in place by Western action for Western purposes. They are kept in place by the fear that the West will attack and
58 Bravo45 : Don't believe in our religion, don't insult it either. You do, so don't call yourself a moderate. Totally agree woth you pal. You sum it all up. Look
59 Emirates773ER : You don't draw things about My religion if you don't believe in it, its a two way street. Read my post again, especially the note.
60 Cosec59 : Sorry Bravo45, but the scenes in London of Muslims carrying those placards showed NO tolerance that I could see
61 L410Turbolet : How do I insult it? Simply by not agreeing with your version of truth?
62 Emirates773ER : After being on airliners civil forum I would like to have a word like the jews do "anti-semetic", I guess Islamophobia does the job pretty well.
63 Emirates773ER : By poking fun at it.[Edited 2006-02-04 21:58:39]
64 Windshear : N1120A "the West has. Guantanemo Bay, war without reason, relgious profiling and fingerpointing, all of these things smack of what the West was doing
65 N1120A : Um, Iran is less than 2% Arab and has a very different culture than Arab countries. Perhaps you should look up your "historical facts" again That is
66 AvObserver : Emirates773ER, I hate to be participating in a thread perceived by you as "Muslim-bashing" because some of the things you say are reasonable but what
67 Emirates773ER : Please think and do some research before you type.
68 777236ER : Ditto what GDB said.
69 Emirates773ER : Well it got printed all over europe when we did that.
70 Post contains links Dtwclipper : MUHAMMAD'S EARLY TERRORIST ACTS After moving to Medina, Muhammad began to have conflict with the Jews and pagans in the area. I'll focus on several i
71 Post contains links Windshear : While you condemn my historical add ons... Muslims of the world, could you please explain these pictures seen here?? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/m
72 MaverickM11 : The cartoons are offensive and tasteless, but civilized people do not react this way. Period.
73 Post contains images RobertNL070 : Wearing my librarian hat here and playing the figurative devil's advocate, with respect answering-islam.org.uk cannot be percieved to be a trustworth
74 Windshear : I think for once the Arabs should dig into their own history... There is a lot of violence in the religion of Islam, I really think they could learn s
75 777236ER : A year ago you would have immediately called for the bombing of the Muslim world! You've changed....
76 Bravo45 : Add to that the fact that civilized people wouldn't have republished them and further add to that the fact that almost all here support all of this.
77 Cosec59 : So, You're saying Europeans are uncivilised are you?
78 777236ER : Republishing the cartoons was stupid, and a simple attempt to piss people off. Whilst this is the case, calling editors 'uncivilised' for this is wro
79 N1120A : That site is as bad a source as UCLAprofs.com is for finding out who to take classes with.
80 Bravo45 : NO!!! Thats double standards. You have the right to believe whatever you want, atleast be ture to yourself.
81 Windshear : why isn't there a single Muslim who would care to translat the linked placards I was mentioning? Just to let me know cuz I am waiting! You are so arro
82 Dtwclipper : OK, how about a "far and Balanced" source. Anybody, anybody?
83 N229NW : I hope that people on both sides of this can keep a level head... What happened in Syria is beyond unacceptable, and I believe that any protester in L
84 Post contains images RobertNL070 : I wish you well. Regards, Robert
85 DLKAPA : God hates ignorant christians. See how rediculous you guys are being? I'll bet that statement pissed some of you off...kinda how the muslims would be
86 Post contains images Halls120 : No. The newspaper was published in Denmark, not in the middle east. Your fire in the crowded theater comparison doesn't hold water. You need to devel
87 Mika : For the same reason that i should not walk up to you on the street and yell to your face that i hate you and everything that you stand for - without
88 11Bravo : You need to understand that this position is completely unacceptable in the West. We will never, ever, subordinate our dedication to pluralism and fr
89 Post contains images Halls120 : How? By threatening to visit a 9/11 response on the country where the cartoons were published? Burning down the embassies of those countries? How is
90 Post contains images Emirates773ER : I have nothing to say to you, you are asking me questions about some people holding playcards? I do not support what they are doing thus your questio
91 PIA777 : You are also correct. PIA777
92 APFPilot1985 : It's a two way street buddy. Where are you crying out for respect when Muslims are burning my flag, or effigies of my president? While I might be pis
93 BAxMAN : It's beyond comprehension that a caricature of Mohammed causes a huge number of Muslims to behave like just their own caricature that we are supposed
94 PIA777 : What are you talking about? The Press in America can't say anything like this. They are censored. The Artist and the editor would have been fired. PI
95 Post contains links Poobaboon : I can understand why Muslims are angry and offended, but I do not understand the actions of some Muslims who have taken it over the top, burning build
96 Post contains images BMIFlyer : WHY?? What the hell does LONDON have to do with this?? This is just an excuse for a bunch of tossers from an extremist group to get together and star
97 APFPilot1985 : Of course not, while they may be ostracized no one would call for their death or burn down the newspaper headquarters.
98 DL021 : The worldwide muslim response to these cartoons appears to be thus.... either: a. "You dare to make fun of my prophet and insinuate that we are violen
99 Post contains images MD11junkie : There's a basic law principle, that should be taken into account here: "Your rights end, where others' rights begin" Muslims have their right to demon
100 VC10 : The news services say that there are worldwide demonstrations against this cartoon thing but I do not hear of any taking place in the USA, and I wonde
101 MaverickM11 : It's ironic that the most extreme Muslims are protesting with violence over a depiction of violent Muslims. It's almost a self fulfilling prophecy.
102 Newark777 : So true. That is because we wouldn't sit back and watch a bunch of thugs burn embassies down. Harry
103 Jutes85 : Yes, the cartoon is distasteful and probably very offensive, and I would support any peaceful protest against it. But now the violent reaction does no
104 GDB : The reason that those pricks in London were allowed to spout what I would NOT be allowed to do, is because of all the Muslim pressure groups, fellow t
105 UAL747 : I have a feeling that if this cartoon was about Jesus Christ, no one would give a rat's ass. Perhaps it might be shown on the news, but none of this o
106 Halls120 : And it is subordinate to the right of free speech here in the US and in Europe, and many other places around the world. Maverick, an excellent observ
107 Post contains links Blrsea : Muslim fury hits Britain
108 PIA777 : Maybe the muslims are just more loyal to their religion. How many people who celebrate christmas actually attend church more then once a year? PIA777
109 JamesAg96 : How dare you say such things? A thousand plagues are cast upon your house, jihad against your family, and hemorhoids unto you.
110 Yegmaster : People have made fun of religeons forever. Doesn't mean they take it too the streets and burn the whole sh.t down and wish death upon everybody. Peopl
111 QR332 : The majority of Muslims are completley against the cartoons, and will not go defending the West which are attacking them non-stop instead of defendin
112 AerorobNZ : I accept Hindus,Taoists,Mormons,Sikhs,Buddhists,Jews or whoever they want to be provided they acknowledge that when one moves to a country one can as
113 QR332 : But the whole point is that this isn't an internal Danish issue, it is now an international issue involving many Muslims. The Muslims in Denmark have
114 AerorobNZ : To be honest neither do I. the hijab however is just a metaphor for other lesser things of faith that possibly could/should be adapted to ensure bett
115 UAL777 : My perspective is this: I personally think that the drawings are disgusting. However, who are YOU to say that you take your religion more seriously?
116 Sv7887 : Umm, it's about respecting the law of the land you live in.. Clearly, you cannot read. The Arab world has repeatedly said "There ought to be limits o
117 FSPilot747 : I know some muslims who would laugh at a funny jewish cartoon. I've heard holocaust jokes from a muslim guy at my school. The difference? Jews didn't
118 FSPilot747 : Or maybe they're just way to full of themselves. If you're going to live in a society that's not predominately your faith, you better get used to peo
119 FSPilot747 : Or maybe they're just way too full of themselves. If you're going to live in a society that's not predominately your faith, you better get used to pe
120 Pyrex : I will make fun of whoever I want, that comes with living a free society. Maybe you should check up on that. Why not? You believe that when a non-mus
121 FSPilot747 : Spot on. As an atheist myself, I still find all this intolerance offensive.
122 Aseem : You don't have to visit an institution on a regular basis to prove how much faith you have in your beliefs. Well said!! If one takes religion serious
123 Jaysit : Btw, I guess Muslim protestors haven't yet seen the South Park episode starring Jesus, Muhammed and Buddha. Ooooops !! Uh, oh. Cartman and the gang be
124 PIA777 : I say whatever the f*uck I want, I have "FREEDOM OF SPEECH". PIA777
125 PIA777 : Which means you both probably celebrate Xmas. PIA777
126 Post contains links Jutes85 : http://danishcartoons.ytmnd.com/ Don't know if this has been posted yet. The Muslim population has only futher degrated their image over the world. It
127 FSPilot747 : I know jews and muslims who have christmas trees. I don't celebrate christmas as a religious holiday, but I parttake in the activities as it has over
128 MidnightMike : The cartoon was ran in the newspaper of a country that believes in freedom of speech & freedom of the press & had nothing to do with the government.
129 Post contains images Marco : Maybe the muslims are just more loyal to their religion. How many people who celebrate christmas actually attend church more then once a year? Yes you
130 Post contains images MD11junkie : Good link, pretty funny. I find it REALLY ironic that one of the protestors in London carries a sign saying "Freedom go to hell". Maybe he should go
131 Lehpron : All this boils down to one concept question: Does anyone have the right to insult another?
132 VC10 : In England between approximately 1000 and 1500 AD there was a constant conflict as to where the peoples first loyality should be, either the state in
133 Post contains links QR332 : Are you all sure it is only Muslims who do such things? Lets see: December 2004 - Mosque Burned in Massachusettes http://www.masnet.org/takeaction.asp
134 MD11junkie : Also, we can put up another question to this: Do islamic extremists have the right to destroy private property and kill innocent civilians because of
135 BaylorAirBear : I have neither the time nor the patience to read through all of the relevant threads. Pardon me for jumping in the middle. Also, my knowledge of Islam
136 Halls120 : I'm confused. In an earlier post, didn't you say there was no such thing as freedom of speech?
137 ME AVN FAN : at least up to this moment, no innocent civilians were killed due to this matter. And, "funny" ?
138 PIA777 : I guess you don't understand sarcasm. PIA777
139 Post contains images Aloges : Quote of the day.
140 Fumanchewd : Perhaps not funny, but it certainly has caused quite an ongoing conversation about the rights of free speech. The editor initially asked for the draw
141 Halls120 : Sure I do. Just think it's funny you think your sarcasm is effective.
142 PIA777 : Very good points. All countries and religions have killed and rioted in the name of God. PIA777
143 Dtwclipper : " target=_blank>http://www.progressiveaustin.org/ata...l.htm Yes, very nice indeed. A number of attacks on a number of institutions. I don't say that
144 Post contains images MD11junkie : How about the Iraqi resistance, 911... should I continue? And sure, they are funny, it's a joke, satire. If you don't have a sense of humor to laugh
145 Aseem : right!! right wingers and extre elements are there in every nation. What is more important is how well you are able to keep them in check. And whethe
146 ME AVN FAN : a new report about Syria in the Daily Star (Beirut) : --- ********************************************** Syria steps up security after attacks on emba
147 ME AVN FAN : I clearly referred to the problem at hand, and not to world history at least a doubtful sense of humour to "have a sense of humour to laugh about a j
148 MD11junkie : Well, what about when people paint the Pope as an evil emperor, or someone like.. Emperor/Senator Palpatine? Do we get the Extreme Catholics burning
149 Sovietjet : Here's what I think. For example Jesus is often chracterized in cartoons or shows like the Simpsons and is poked fun at. I as a Christian dont find it
150 Post contains images Fumanchewd : I have mentioned in a previous thread that has now been censo... err deleted that there was a controversy not too long ago about "Piss Christ". It was
151 Post contains images Jacobin777 : exactly, out of 1.3 billion muslims only a tiny amount were part of the riots, of which, only a smaller set of people actually participated in violen
152 Dtwclipper : I aksed for a better source, and got none. Can you clarify it then? I'm very willing to, show me the answer.
153 Post contains links Jacobin777 : I'm not saying that some of these are the best sources...but I've reviewed these and they are basically accurate and can be cross-checked for accurac
154 ME AVN FAN : it also is bad taste. Many Catholics will feel bad about such a thing. With somebody pulling the strings from the background, everything might be pos
155 Post contains images LY7E7 : Sure they do - they want to live - and they won't - if describe something else. [Edited 2006-02-06 10:29:25]
156 Oly720man : Just as a matter of interest, not being in any way familiar with the teachings of the Koran, is there an Islamic equivalent of the Christian/biblical
157 ME AVN FAN : [85.8] And they did not take vengeance on them for aught except that they believed in Allah, the Mighty, the Praised,
158 Post contains links Oly720man : Is this the same meaning as God saying vengence is mine? http://www.universalunity.net/quran4/085.qmt.html Here, for example, are 4 translations/inte
159 Paulc : oly720, I thought the cartoons that were published (along with others that were not) were taken by a 'dainish' Imam on a visit to the ME. This to me s
160 BaylorAirBear : So why doesn't the silent majority stand up and put a stop to this? If there are over a billion of them, I'm sure this is not beyond their reach. BAB
161 ME AVN FAN : How? when people learn about certain things happening, the matters HAVE happened. No, the majority learns about such things on radio and TV .
162 BaylorAirBear : The majority can still hold the responsible parties accountable after the fact. BAB
163 PIA777 : I do too, They are idiots. You don't know that for sure, you are just showing your Jewish bias. Its not like Palestian and Israel. There, its a battl
164 ME AVN FAN : wherever and whenever possible they do. But it is fairly often practically impossible.
165 Slider : Exactly right Gaston. There is no absolute right to NOT be offended. How you react to being offended is another thing altogether. True. But the Pope
166 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Of course the koran has revenge. It also has passion and acceptance. The problem is, much like the Bible, it has contradictory passages concerning ev
167 Post contains links Sv7887 : Hi all, There is an interesting article from the Russian Perspective: http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=2978350&PageNum=0 They feel that
168 Post contains links Sovietjet : I wonder what their reaction to the cartoons in this thread will be.... http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=935616
169 Paulc : BaylorAirBear, I have no idea - perhaps they are scared of being branded 'anti-islam' themselves and end up as victims of their own peaceful and toler
170 PIA777 : " target=_blank>http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...35616 Those drawings are fo friggin stupid. Muhammad was totally against Violence. Watch the Mo
171 Post contains images Fumanchewd : This makes me sad. If freedom of speech in western countries is not respected by westernized "moderate" moslems than I know that there will be a grea
172 Post contains links LY7E7 : Nonsense. http://www.jewishjournal.com/old/nikbakht.5.5.0.htm http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2000-1/iran.htm
173 ME AVN FAN : my guess was Riyadh, but they possibly got it correctly with Tehran. "Manufactured/arranged/artificial" it of course was/is. Never forget, we all ref
174 Post contains links Columba : http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/
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