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It's Time For The Free, Western World To Unite  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

In the wake of these totally unjustified and outrageous attacks against European embassies in the Arab/Islamic world-over a cartoon-that part of the world may have done the West a great favor-it may unite the Western nations-Europe and North America, like it hasn't been since 9/11.

The attacks on European property, and the demands by that part of the world for apologies, because they don't understand the separation of government and the media in a free society are unacceptable. It prove, once again, that that part of the world simply does not understand our concepts-something the West is accused of constantly by the Arab/Islamic world concerning them.

Well, it's time for the West to stand up for itself, collectively, and finally tell these people we will NOT subjigate our freedoms and our way of life to theirs; we will NOT apologize every time an individual prints something they don't like; we will NOT give in to the terrorism that emminates in that region. We will NOT be browbeaten into accepting your religion, or your ways, simply because you don't like ours.

It's time for the people's of the West to tell the Arab/Islamic world one thing: we're willing to live with you in peace, if you so choose. But if this is the way you're going to react to every little thing, then we won't deal with you and accept you as civilized nations and part of the world community.

If you want to keep warring on our ways, then fine. Democracies are slow to anger, at anyone, but as the Germans and Japanese found out, when push comes to shove, we will unite, and we will defend our way of life.

I'm growing weary of having to cotow to the thin-skinned reactions of that part of the world. The west is more than willing to live in peace with the Middle East and the Islamic world. But apparently, as demonstrated in constant terrorists attacks against the west, constant terrorism against Israel, and a refusal to compromise on anything, you obviously don't want to live in peace with us.

Well, if that's the case, keep it up. Keep it up, and you'll get the mother of all conflicts.

I hate to say that, but I'm tired of this over-reaction from that region of the world. And it's time for the West to unite, and say "ENOUGH!"

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I hate to say that, but I'm tired of this over-reaction from that region of the world. And it's time for the West to unite, and say "ENOUGH!"

Preach on!
Agree with everything you said.



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

Here Here


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Oh, and by the way, if I have to make a choice between what the Arab/Islamic world are demanding, and siding with George W. Bush, who you all know I can't stand-I'll stand squarely behind Mr. Bush. I wouldn't think twice about it.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Is the floor cold? I think hell just froze over.

Falcon and I agree 100%.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 4):
Is the floor cold? I think hell just froze over.

Falcon and I agree 100%.

Joking aside, B757300, I'm simply tired of the Arab/Islamic world beating the west over the head everytime something this tiny is turned into a reason to burn, pillage and kill-all in the name of Allah, by the way.


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Well, it's time for the West to stand up for itself, collectively, and finally tell these people we will NOT subjigate our freedoms and our way of life to theirs; we will NOT apologize every time an individual prints something they don't like

Very well said. Every religion deserves respect, but we can't afford to relent our freedoms just because some could get offended by them.
There is not excuse for their violence and hate.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Absolutely, Falcon, with you 100%! If this means war, so be it. Hopefully it won't come to that but in the face of growing uprisings all over the world, free thinking people must take a stand. If we roll over to this reactionary crap eminating from extremist Muslims, we'll one day be either subjugated by them or be wiped out. I earlier denied the notion that it was basically "us" vs. "them", the Muslim world against the rest of the world but the clash of culture appears to becoming far more acute and it may, in fact, be just that.

User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 684 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

EXCELLENT Falcon84

It is about time people start realizing this, as sad as it is. But it is reality. If we keep letting the Muslim world dictate to us how we have to act in our OWN countries, wwe will regret it soon enough.

I am not in any way a racist or bigot, but I will also not allow a group of people, who happen to be Muslim and Arab, tell me or any other western, democratic person how I should act. Scr*w that!



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User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
Joking aside, B757300, I'm simply tired of the Arab/Islamic world beating the west over the head everytime something this tiny is turned into a reason to burn, pillage and kill-all in the name of Allah, by the way.

Welcome to my Respected Users list Falcon. I'm behind you all the way...The sad thing is that the Bush Administration has come out in FAVOR of the Muslim media.(Per the State Dept) This is disgusting given Denmark's 500 troop force in Iraq right now. As allies they have a right to expect our support. So I guess the message to our allies is this: "When America needs you, we expect your undying support...When you need us we won't be there..." When did we sell ourselves to the Oil Sheiks?

Sam


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Falcon84

Excellent post Falcon. Thankyou.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. We were only talking about this very same subject at dinner this evening. Even we libertarians feel that enough is now enough.

It really is about time that the Islamic powers-that-be are dragged, if necessary kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

Regards, Robert



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

What´s the reaction from Chile? Their embassy got burnt down as well....

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

How could you not agree with this? It's sad and puzzling what is happening in the Arab world right now, I'm afraid that Islam has a lot of PR problems in store after this, not just the Arab world.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 10):
It really is about time that the Islamic powers-that-be are dragged, if necessary kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

Don't ask for miracles-let's drag them into the 19th Century first, shall we?


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 9):
The sad thing is that the Bush Administration has come out in FAVOR of the Muslim media.(Per the State Dept)

I don't really think so. The State Department hasn't said much except criticize the newspaper, but did say that they respect their right to free speech. So not really going either way. My guess is that the US government wants to lay low for now because when everyone knows that when the US gets involved in some form or the other, the Arab World goes apeshit. Theres no need to escalate a volatile situation.



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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Don't ask for miracles-let's drag them into the 19th Century first, shall we?

LOL. OK, we'll cut them some slack then. 1800 CE - they can found their own Library of Congress.

Regards, Robert  bouncy 



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Oh, and by the way, if I have to make a choice between what the Arab/Islamic world are demanding, and siding with George W. Bush, who you all know I can't stand-I'll stand squarely behind Mr. Bush. I wouldn't think twice about it.

I couldn't agree with you more. It is truely stange for me to think this way, but the thoughts crossed my mind this morning.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

This surprisingly sounds like "Either you are with us or against us".

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
I'm growing weary of having to cotow to the thin-skinned reactions of that part of the world.

I have been feeling like that for about 4 years now.

It's time for those who don't share our views and ideas to just DEAL WITH IT!
Bravo Falcon and bravo to those who agree that enough IS ENOUGH!



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

I'm on Falcons side here. There comes a time when you say "Enough!".

The way I see it our allies...our NATO allies have had their sovereign soil attacked (embassies are sovereign soil) and that constitutes an attack on all NATO signatories. We should be planning how to defend our allies, and preventing anyone else from being attacked.

This whole thing is indicative of how out of control muslim extremism has gotten. Someone tell me when the last time foreign embassies were burned because someone drew a picture of Jesus.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 17):
This surprisingly sounds like "Either you are with us or against us".

And I knew some people would suspect that, CH, but I honestly don't want it to come off that way-really. But the truth is it's been terrorists from that region killing us, not the other way around; they want us to respect their faith, yet many of those nations don't even let churches exist in theirs. They want us to respect them, but show no respect for us or our way of life-as exemplified by terrorism.

I simply, as a free man, am tired of it. I don't want to flag wave, or chest beat, but simply to stand up and say "you will not make me change who I am, to please you."


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

The placards being carried in London today were far, far more offensive than the cartoons. The cartoons were just, "cartoons". Humour. Nothing more, nothing less. The placards carried slogans of hate. Advocating murder!!
And we tolerate these!?


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
I simply, as a free man, am tired of it. I don't want to flag wave, or chest beat, but simply to stand up and say "you will not make me change who I am, to please you."

Well said, Falcon!  bigthumbsup 






User currently offlineDrewfly From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

IMO this situation is really going to open the eyes of the world to the situation in the Middle East. No longer can they choose to just ignore what is happening and wait it out. Embassies getting burned down? WHAT!? We mistakenly bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and while there were stone throwing angry mobs in Beijing, our embassy wasn't stormed and burnt to the ground. It took our support of a brutal and corrupt Shah for years for our Tehran embassy to be stormed........and now all it takes is having cartoons printed in a newspaper....which the government had no control over? I'm with all of your here, this sh*t has got to stop. While I may have disagreed over going to war with Iraq, I believe that what is going on now is one more reason why we can't allow that country to fail.


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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

The Western World needs to take some sort of action against these acts that Muslims are carrying out on foreign embassies.

I agree 100% with what Falcon84 says and I do believe that at some stage we (western, unislamic societies) may indeed have to unite in some way or another to sort this out.

Regards,
Chris


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
I simply, as a free man, am tired of it. I don't want to flag wave, or chest beat, but simply to stand up and say "you will not make me change who I am, to please you."

Well said, Falcon!

Oh, by the way. I just got back from the market and I saw Danish butter on the shelves. I bought three packages!


25 Gilligan : I think it is up to the mullahs to make things happen. It seems that when they speak up people quiet down. Unfortunately a lot of them seem to want to
26 Falcon84 : And where is my friend BA? I think BA is a good, intelligent person, despite our clashes on here. I'd really like to hear from the Islamic/Arabic meme
27 Post contains links CPH-R : Well, the US is off to a good start: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060203/pl_nm/religion_cartoons_usa_dc
28 Christa : I know that my parents normally buy British bacon and dairy produce. However, I noticed in the fridge that they have bought British bacon and dairy p
29 Post contains images L410Turbolet : BTW, bar code of Danish products is supposed to start with "57". Can anyone from Denmark (I am displaying the flag as a sign of solidarity) confirm t
30 RJpieces : I noticed that you were careful to say by Arab standards....You do realize that by American standards, they are extremists, yes?
31 YeahitsK : Uh oh, look out Denmark- they brought the donkey out!! All I can do is shake my head and laugh at the way they are reacting. I guess I fail to unders
32 Tbar220 : I can't. We can unite but it doesn't have to be violent. I think escalation and polarization is the last thing we need. The problem with Iran is bad
33 Post contains images RobertNL070 : A quote maybe from the late Pim Fortuyn, a very populist and opportunist Dutch politician. Personally I do not believe that Islam is a backward relig
34 SFOMEX : Watching CNN I saw an interview with some charity guy regarding the earthquake in Pakistan. I couldn’t help to think that most of the western world
35 Arsenal@LHR : I can only speak for my myself, and as a muslim i am horrified at the reactions of some muslims. It is simply an over-reaction to something which shou
36 EWROwznj00 : Yeah, this has gotten WAY out of hand. Burning down the embassies is not cool, and this is only going to get worse from now. Protesting and boycotting
37 Kevinl1011 : Reverend !
38 Windshear : My God is there a tear in my eye?? This is much more support than I was hoping for... Keep it going guys! Boaz...
39 StuckinMAF : OH SHIT!!! I do, too! I can't believe this! Bravo, Falcon, and I congratulate you for your Nationalism! Now, I want to tell you something. I want to
40 Post contains images Boeing4ever : This week, we are ALL Danish! Kinda cool actually, everyone raves about German, British, or French culture, how about a little Danish culture once in
41 Pelican : This is probably the best thread in non-av for years! @Arsenal - thanks for your words, it's sometimes hard in those times when the television shows r
42 WhiteHatter : The situation looks like this to me. Some of those cartoons were offensive to Islam. But the reaction is totally out of proportion and looks like this
43 StuckinMAF : Yeah, that's a good parallel, but what it comes down to is we are supposed to have tolerance for Islam, but they do not have to have tolerance for We
44 Dba4U : @Falcon: A few weeks ago I would have flamed you, but my mind has changed... thx for this great post! Well, enough is enough. The US reactions on 09/1
45 Falcon84 : I'm patriotic, but I'm not a Nationalists, as I think there's a difference. And, with all respect, I don't look at this in light of nationalism. Perh
46 DL021 : Damn straight! I'm pretty much in 100% agreement with Falcon, and I further believe that if we don't stand united against this that we will all pay th
47 Kevinl1011 : Didn't you equate Falcon to B744F in another thread? My...you've had a change of heart. Seems to a trend. I've posted here for almost a year now. I t
48 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Lego was my most popular toy when I was little. Under communism LEGOs were next to impossible to buy over here (Czechoslovakia), one had to get extre
49 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Many of my cousins tell a similar tale. And a shame too. LEGOs are finely engineered and crafted toys, manufactured to the highest quality. And with
50 Post contains images Pilot kaz : Religion / Politics.. This is the sole reason I care not to follow them, because It brings desruption and Violence to this world. Honestly Its worse t
51 Halls120 : Well said, Falcon! Not true. ""We . . . respect freedom of the press and expression, but it must be coupled with press responsibility," said State De
52 777236ER : The newspaper knew quite well just how offensive the cartoons were. Rest assured, the paper has cashed in on the controversy. Denmark may be a smart
53 N229NW : Oh right, like how we were willing to live in peace with Iran when we overthrew their democratically elected leader and installed a dictatorship in t
54 Post contains images Pilot kaz : You would find that anywhere In the world
55 TheSorcerer : "It's Time For The Free, Western World To Unite" Sounds like the kind of thing some mad mullah rallying an angry mob in downtown Damascus would say (a
56 APFPilot1985 : x2 " target=_blank>http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060203/...sa_dc That pisses me off. Bush is doing more and more things this week to anger me, with th
57 Post contains images L410Turbolet : I found few more reasons to be jealous...
58 SWISSER : Agreed totally. This is simply OUR way of life! Period. What is it? A340-600? (to get the steam a bit out of the can!)
59 Post contains images SWISSER : Denmark strikes back! Look at that, even the lightsabers light up! In my time THAT was even science fiction![Edited 2006-02-05 00:13:24]
60 Falcon84 : Tell me, when is enough enough? The terrorism; the "Death to America" crap; Defending a nation in 1991 who wouldn't allow Christian worship, or told
61 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Fantastic posting, I couldn't agree more with you. Welcome to my RR list Lee
62 L410Turbolet : It looks like Bombardier's new wide-body project.
63 WhiteHatter : It boils down to a very basic issue. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". That's what is being a
64 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Reminds me of one, but it's a narrowbody (to start applying A.net aviation technospeak while disecting a children's playset, lol). To me, it's a good
65 SWISSER : If you look at the nose, indeed.
66 SWISSER : Indeed, I have just seen an announcement on the Lego homepage they are going to triple the rate of Star Wars destroyers!
67 SWISSER : Damn that's a nice quote! i agree with that 1000%!
68 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I've decided to designate it the L-1011. That is, LEGO model 1011. Adjustable winglets too. Look out Boeing and Airbus...LEGO is coming! B4e-Forever
69 Post contains links and images Pilot kaz : I hear you can get Hotel rooms at http://www.lego.com/legoland/portal/default.asp?locale=2057 now, Maybe you to should consider one
70 MIAMIx707 : Muslims need to realize that if Allah was really offended by the cartoonists, HE will punish them without having to fuel more hate. Burning down embas
71 Post contains images ANCFlyer : SPot on Falcon . . . Seems the Muslim world's answer to everything is violent destructive rioting . . . one day, perhaps, when they enter this century
72 Post contains links and images Boeing4ever : And no shortage of willing crew members either! And of course, Denmark's deterrant force is nearly complete... US intellingence snapped this photo of
73 Post contains images GuitrThree : Falcon, all I can say is:
74 SWISSER : Good idea Kas, let us do an A.net meet over there and spot some Lego planes!
75 SWISSER : That looks like a moon? OR IS IT A SPACE STATION??
76 MIAMIx707 : just curious, what happens if I make a Moahammed out of LEGOs?
77 SWISSER : Then you would have a very good cartoon of the current situation!
78 Post contains links and images BA : I've been away from Airliners.net for two days, but I feel I must speak on this issue. I would like to speak as an Arab and a Muslim that I am fully 1
79 Amy : With you falcon, I was under the impression that most muslims were your average calm democratic people who didn't want war or terrorism any more than
80 Post contains links BMIFlyer : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4681294.stm
81 Post contains images Boeing4ever : They got ground troops formed into a rapid reaction team as well... Dunno if I want to mess with their air force either... Long live Denmark! B4e-Fore
82 Post contains images Lazyshaun : To the people who run a.net, I'd keep your addresses quite a secret, just incase an angry Muslim stumbles accross this site and this thread... But, I
83 Post contains images Pelican : Well, there are some Danish products which are more suitable to a 20 year old: And here are my favorites: pelican
84 Post contains images Boeing4ever : And the use of which will still bring out my inner child too. Beer and LEGOs for everyone! Long Live Denmark! B4e-Forever New Frontiers
85 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Oh no! even the LEGO planes are eurowhite, yuck These LEGOs are a LOT more sophisticated than the simple ones I had when I was a kid and made a MI-8 h
86 Post contains links and images MD-90 : Lego and their Master Builders rock.
87 Post contains images Aloges : Good post, Falcon - but everyone, please bear in mind there are lots of people in countries with predominantly Muslim populations who also oppose thes
88 Post contains images Mdsh00 : If I could find Danishes here in Grenada, I'd go get one. But then again, there is Carlsberg....
89 GDB : Arsenal@LHR, I have thought of you as this situation has worsened. The only near similar example I can think of first hand, and it's not a faith issue
90 Clipperhawaii : Glad to hear it. We all know that the majority feel as you do. My question is, where is this same majority in squashing these ridiculous actions by a
91 Post contains images Boeing4ever : A minor detail...and as an engineer, I have no room for minor details. Denmark's ordered a whole fleet of those too. I'm tellin' you all, they've got
92 Falcon84 : I'm sure there is, but we certainly don't hear them speak up in the face of terrorism; in the face of this idiocy. If they're a "silent majority", th
93 Halls120 : I'd like to have one muslim explain to me why death threats and violence are acceptable responses to having their prophet being insulted. I'm adding
94 Post contains images Falcon84 : Ok, the world must be ending.
95 GuitrThree : Well, not yet! I haven't added you to my RU list yet, but damnit Falcon, with this thread you started, it's hard not too!!! Great Post.. You have ope
96 Post contains images YOWza : I'm both amused and amazed at some of the abject stupidity I read on this site. I think that the cartoon was in extremely poor taste but I ENTIRELY de
97 Post contains images Halls120 : Right.
98 Falcon84 : First off, what does my being an airline employee (Connect Planning, attached to Hub Operations), have to do with my feelings on this? I'd really lik
99 JpetekYXMD80 : Are you saying that someone should only care about things that directly impacts their day-to-day interests? What a pathetic, medieval way to view the
100 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : That's exactly what it is...President Bush (ok, his speechwriter) acknowledged this call for Western unity some five years ago now. The rest of the w
101 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Question for you all... If the muslims portrayed "our" god in the same style as the newspaper did for theirs, would "you" then march thru the streets
102 YOWza : This I can totally agree with, it's the blanket statements that get me nervous. YOWza
103 Falcon84 : Wouldn't even cross my mind to seek out a Counsulate or Embassy to protest. I wouldn't like it, but resort to violence, call for revenge, call for de
104 Clipperhawaii : With that, I can now know the type of world view that you have. Not a very good one. Give someone a rope and they will hang themselves with it everyt
105 YOWza : Honest I'm not! NYC happens to be my favourite place on earth. Very clear. If you had included the emotional fuel that caused you to write in the fir
106 YOWza : I didn't say I was on one side or another I'm just saying that with an issue as complex as Israel-Palestine, how you see the situation is a direct co
107 BN747 : If you step back for a second, you'd see that your view of this is no different from wars 1000 years ago when Christians felt threatened by the relig
108 StuckinMAF : Yep, that's how I feel, too! Then, the hell really freezing over would be plenty to put out the embassy fires! Like I said before, Falcon, you've sai
109 Tbar220 : We ALWAYS should show restraint and try not to respond to violence with violence. Its the same way I feel about Israel, and that they should not resp
110 StuckinMAF : Spoken like a true pacifist. Uhhh.............it's called "Peace". Because the things you described earlier are what we are doing now- and it's NOT w
111 Tbar220 : And damn proud of it. I'm not sure if you're trying to insult me by "calling me a pacifist". What are we not doing? How can we be held responsible fo
112 LOT767-300ER : I agree with 100% for the first time in a long time. You are speaking the truth my friend. I am supporting Denmark and Norway on this all the way.
113 Jaysit : And in a spirit of unity, you should all march in the streets of Paris, London, Berlin and New York wearing a T-shirt depicting the purportedly offens
114 Derico : I have always said here that most of Islam has really some serious problems with the rest of the world (I've said it many times, if one kid in the cla
115 Jaysit : Well, perhaps. Although, why should a cartoon depicted in one Danish paper have created such an uproar? Most ordinary Muslims probably would never ha
116 Derico : For the same reasons a Documentary called "Jesus was Gay" would create similar outrage. It's an issue that touches the religious core of people. Grant
117 Jaysit : But the difference is that in the West it would create outrage, but I doubt if anyone would be running around burning buildings and the like. But hey
118 Derico : But there would be massive calls for 'censorship' of it... heck, didn't they pull the plug in the United States to a show about Jesus?? I just don't s
119 J_Hallgren : Can't agree with this UNLESS everyone agrees never to publish a cartoon offensive to anyone...which will never happen...that's the whole basis for th
120 Jaysit : There were widespread protests outside movie theaters in the 1980s when the "Last Temptation of Christ" was screened. Also when a French film that de
121 Post contains images L410Turbolet : I guess that's why we need "genius" like you to explain it us. And you have the guts labeling yourself "reasonable" guy??? Grab a history book instea
122 WhiteHatter : nor would we see placards carried advocating beheading the enemies of Christianity. Free speech is about the right to say what you want, and reasonab
123 HatTrick : Fascinating point... Must we now be afraid of expressing our opinions, lest an angry Muslim is offended?
124 Halls120 : The Danish government was under no obligation to apologize, since the cartoon was not written or published by the government. I'm not a muslim. I don
125 Logan22L : Falcon has taken a great deal of heat on this site, and some of it was probably justified. I'm glad to see so many on the right giving him props for w
126 MidnightMike : Falcon, time may come, where enough is enough, 9/11, the bombings in London & Spain, riots in France, & of course, Iran refusing to abide by the inte
127 DrDeke : (Joking)Sad but true... (Not Joking)Even I squarely agree with Falcon's sentiment, above. I agree that these events might provide an impetus for the
128 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Excellent thread, Falcon. Damn you for making me agree with you..............again. But, you're absolutely right and I wouldn't hesitate for a minute
129 Sovietjet : I think that not every Muslim thinks the same way as these protesters and people that blow everything out of proportion. Those peaceful Muslims should
130 B757300 : I'm amazed that this thread hasn't been deleted and Falcon threatened with a banning. After all, he is "generalizing" Muslims.
131 Derico : Well, you don't. It's up to the citizens of your country to decide what society you want to live in: democratic and respectful of minorities, democra
132 Post contains images Jacobin777 : are you done crying???
133 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Mature post of the century.
134 ContnlEliteCMH : The Danish PM should never have issued the apology in the first place. From the cartoonist, yes. From the newspaper, sure. But if there is one thing
135 Post contains images Boeing4ever : huh??? It's not like he's torching buildings over a cartoon! B4e-Forever New Frontiers
136 Post contains images Halls120 : Where a democratic society must alter its basic constitutional freedoms in order that some of its citizens aren't offended, it in fact becomes a tyra
137 ETStar : Yesterday, upon hearing of the boycotts, I wondered what products Denmark had, and could not think of any. Thank you for posting the items that the co
138 Post contains images Jacobin777 : thanks genius.... that would make him as sad and pathetic as everyone else..now wouldn't it??? fortunately he said he wouldn't..so i give him credit
139 StealthZ : Everytime a situation like this arises, and it does all to often. Whether it be a bombing, suicide or otherwise, an embassy burning or plain mob viole
140 Jacobin777 : maybe you are to closed-minded or ignorant to read what many community leaders are saying.... here's some.. "(WASHINGTON, D.C., 2/5/06) � On Sun
141 StealthZ : Oh no I am not.. I hear and read what the "community leaders" say and write whenever something like this happens. Sadly without the mothers, fathers,
142 Post contains images Jacobin777 : maybe you should advise them on what they should do then.. while all you people yip and yap and whine (want some cheese?) and complain, and boycott,
143 Post contains images EA CO AS : Well said, my friend. It's yet another reason you're a permanent member of my RU list. Tell me YOWza - how does being an engineer allow you to NOT be
144 StealthZ : Just had an IM from a poster on this thread... "You're going have your post deleted and threatened with a banning. There is a moderator who goes ape w
145 J_Hallgren : I've got a couple of simple items about all of this: 1) If there has not been pictures/drawings of "M" before, then how do these people know that's wh
146 Toulouse : Falcon84, I 100% agree with your words I totally agree with you Drewfly. I think this is finally a wake-up call for many of us who have tried to hide
147 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Congratulations!!!
148 Toulouse : Thanks ANYFlyer!
149 Qb001 : Just a quick word to say that I've made myself a Dane, in support of course of Denmark and free speech. Just read a very interesting article in Le Mon
150 MD11Engineer : BN747, Have you ever heard the opinion of radical Muslims (and also some not so radical ones) about atheists and agnostics? I know a Morrocan guy livi
151 Post contains images Boeing4ever : His "us vs. them" advocation goes against the group shouting for an "us vs. them" killing of all Europeans over a bloody cartoon! You want to call so
152 L410Turbolet : Not really surprising is it?
153 MD11Engineer : I could post you quite a few cartoons about Jesus which appeared in European media over the last few years without having caused riots. Maybe disgrun
154 Post contains links Pbottenb : It is the right thing to do. Here is some text from the official US position from this Reuters article: http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsAr...6_RTRU
155 Post contains images MD11Engineer : So as an atheist I'm not allowed to voice my opinion against ANY religion in a sartirical way? This is the great reunion of clergymen all over the wor
156 Pbottenb : No, you have that right to express your atheist views. People who have the opposite views DO NOT have the right to injure you for excersizing your ri
157 Post contains images Boeing4ever : uh-oh.... B4e-Forever New Frontiers
158 LOT767-300ER : Boeing4ever: Thats funny as hell! hehe
159 Post contains images Slider : Falcon- There's not much affirmation I can give to your post that hasn't already been cited, other than to say I agree wholeheartedly with what you sa
160 Post contains links Aseem : an interesting article from Indian publication Outlook. Fairly balanced I'd say. rgds VT-ASJ
161 Cairo : I see this as yet another round of conflicting cultures and world views that may lead to world war III. to Muslims: ---America and its western allies
162 Planecrazy2 : I agree with you 100% Falcon. I don't really like what the cartoons said, but I respect their right for free speech. I couldn't agree more.
163 Falcon84 : And what has Mr. Bush consistently (for once) said, with regard to that last line? This isn't a war against Islam-it's a war against those who perver
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