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Islam The Most Intolerant Religion?  
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

I recall the destruction of the ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan, I remember Egypt complaining about this and refering to their pyramids and
other old artifacts, but what about the rest of the muslim world did they condemn this? How did Bhuddists feel about this and how did they react?

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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Let me say this, some delebrate actions are intolerable, these cartoons were REPUBLISHED and people are defending that.
The reaction of the muslim world is another debate.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

It was deliberate as the destruction of the Buddha statues?

[Edited 2006-02-04 21:12:59]

User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Absolutely and without a doubt the most intolerant religion. Even the most ardent born again Christians don't call for the death of someone for a cartoon or book.

User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 2):
It was deliberate as the destruction of the Buddha statues?

Was it not???? they did it twice (atleast).
They are accepted to be extremists and fanatics all over the world, its time for 'sane' people to apply the same lables to these bas**rds, but by reading what the majority here has said its easy to see the problem dosnot only lie with the muslims (and muslims and Islam are not the same when I say problems).


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

How about you stop posting all these absolutely ignorant, flamebait threads? One of the most religiously accepting eras of history was the age of the Umayid Empire that stretched from Iran to Spain and was tolerant and accepting of all religions, particularly Judiasm. That ended when in the name of Christianity, the Spanish brutally ended this era and not only surpressed Islam, but also Judiasm and all other groups that had flourished in the era. Islam is an extremely tolerant religion, it is the people that the west has pushed to the top of the religion that are intolerant


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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

While I, like most of the world, am disgusted by the extremist muslim reaction to the cartoons, I think it's deeply misguided to try and award a 'title' of 'most intolerant religion'. There are lots of religions out there, and lots of sects within them. Many we don't know about, many which are small, etc. It also depends on the context, as some religions are more 'mainstream' in some areas and more 'extreme' in others. Just as an example, most people think of Buddhists as peacefeul, but would it be fair to say that in a sweeping way in Sri Lanka? Obviously not.

Any effort to determine "the most intolerant religion" is not going to be a worthwhile pursuit.

JL



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 3):
Even the most ardent born again Christians don't call for the death of someone for a cartoon or book.

Yeah just killed all muslims (and jews) when the crusaders invaded Jeruselum not even for a cartoon, just for their faith.

Like I am saying again and again, there is a difference between Muslims and Islam. By that I mean the reaction of the muslims world.
You are just like them by supporting the actions that triggered the reaction in the first place.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting BR076 (Reply 6):
Islam is the greatest threat to the civil world,

Easy there. Let's not turn this into a religion vs. religion war.

There are lessons to be learned here, mostly for the Islamic community. And many peaceful Muslims with level heads are taking note.

In the end, I believe good will come from this.

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User currently offlineMohamed1 From Egypt, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 3):
Absolutely and without a doubt the most intolerant religion. Even the most ardent born again Christians don't call for the death of someone for a cartoon or book.

And again , that isn't right. Not everything someone does is right. Sad enought that it happens today many times by muslims and the majoirty , who know this is wrong , don't do about it .


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

N1120A, still everyone evade my question, what was the reaction from the muslim world when talibans destroyed some of the most priced artifacts the buddhist had. I do remember the Egyptian response but not the rest of the
muslim world? Found this, interesting, http://www.iran-press-service.com/ar.../mar_2001/taleban_statues_3401.htm
So the Iranis and Egyptians where the only one?

[Edited 2006-02-04 21:28:08]

User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 8):
Yeah just killed all muslims (and jews) when the crusaders invaded Jeruselum not even for a cartoon, just for their faith.

Ok, so because Christians did it EIGHT-HUNDRED YEARS AGO (and all reasonable Christians regret this), it's ok for Muslims to do it today? You WANT to be held to the standards of the middle ages? Bravo, you are not doing your religion any favours. You are disgracing it, by talking this way.

JL



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting Mohamed1 (Reply 11):
And again , that isn't right. Not everything someone does is right. Sad enought that it happens today many times by muslims and the majoirty , who know this is wrong , don't do about it .

One of the level heads I was talking about in my reply 10 (before it's deleted for referring to a deleted post).

In the end, this is going to cause some soul searching...good can come from this.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
N1120A, still everyone evade my question, what was the reaction from the muslim world when talibans destroyed some of the most priced artifacts the buddhist had. I do remember the Egyptian response but not the rest of the
muslim world?

I don't think it was really known by most.

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 13):


Ok, so because Christians did it EIGHT-HUNDRED YEARS AGO (and all reasonable Christians regret this), it's ok for Muslims to do it today?

Ok Jean, how about 50 years ago in Iran?



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

I read a book on this recently, it was called "The Trouble with Modern Islam" by Irshad Manji, a Pakistani lesbian. I didn't really like the book to be honest (mostly due to the tone) but thought it brought up some interesting arguments.

One thing she mentioned that was interesting was that there was some sort of disagreement about the interpretation of the Koran. In order to prevent future disagreements and violence, certain interpretations were standardised so in that future no one could touch them.

There were a lot of other relevant points made and i can't remember all of them but perhaps one of our Muslim friends could clarify what I was trying to talk about above.

One interesting thing that I learned about Islam was the concept of "ijtihad" which I believe refers to the right that Muslims have to update religion based on societal conditions of the modern day. Certain kinds of ijtihad are not allowed by shari'a though. I really shouldn't be going on about something that I know little about, so here's hoping for an insightful and level headed discussion in this thread.



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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Ok Jean, how about 50 years ago in Iran?

Don't you dare take me out of context and, as usual, make this about Iran. I responded directly to a statement that justified this by making reference to a 13th century crusade. My statement was thus a perfectly appropriate reply to his ridiculous argument, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Iran. Maybe you should read the whole thread and see what I posted above about the inappropriateness of making comparisons like this AT ALL.

JL



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

No, but Islam is in its most intolerant phase right now - just like Christianity a few hundred years ago, when jews and free spirits had to flee to the islamic countries to stay alive.

The islamo-hooligans (still a minority in their respective countries) have done their own religion a big disservice today, effectively confirming the insulting overtones in the rather simplistic cartoons they're protesting against.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
And with that I have lost respect for Islam. It's not even worth pig crap

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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 5):
B4e-Forever New Frontiers

Hey there,
You don't need to show any of your colors, having noticed your posts over the years I don't need a reminder of how insulting you can be. Atleast accept that you don't respect anybody else (especially when he is a muslim).

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 10):
Easy there. Let's not turn this into a religion vs. religion war.

Only that was a little surprising.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 19):
Hey there,
You don't need to show any of your colors, having noticed your posts over the years I don't need a reminder of how insulting you can be. Atleast accept that you don't respect anybody else (especially when he is a muslim).

Forgive me if I don't show respect for the mentality that leads to burnt embassies, or the calling for the deaths of about 300 milion EU citizens over a cartoon, or somehow challenging the rights to free speech in another country.

As if the Danes made a leaflet drop of the cartoon over Mecca...
 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

As for the colors I show...they are now just red and white...those of the Danish flag...do you have something against that?

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

I done a bit of research on wikipedia and it turned out that 54 states condemned the taliban actions when the destroyed the buddha statues, including KSA and other. Only one not to was the ministry of
religion in Pakistan and the taliban themselves.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 13):
Ok, so because Christians did it EIGHT-HUNDRED YEARS AGO (and all reasonable Christians regret this), it's ok for Muslims to do it today? You WANT to be held to the standards of the middle ages? Bravo, you are not doing your religion any favours. You are disgracing it, by talking this way.

The guy said 'no christian', I gave a quick example to prove he is wrong, doesn't mean that was the only time or the last time. He gave a point I proved him wrong, do you want more recent examples, Bosnia, Kosovo etc etc. Appears like you would just drag anything you can?


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

N1120A.
I stated my opinion on the religion, if someone said it about wiccans or satanity, no one would care.

Don't go posting stuff about my personal opinions, I didn't slander anyone.
I just said I have lost respect for islam. And in my book it isn't worth much at all with all the hatred it breeds.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Interesting post from the Fark web site that probably belongs in this thread about recent world events. There are probably counter examples in other religions, but here is a start:




2006-02-04 03:33:08 PM Acclivus


from Boortz yesterday:

Muslim outrage huh. OK ... let's do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:

* Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
* A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
* Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
* Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
* Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
* Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.




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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 21):
Only one not to was the ministry of
religion in Pakistan and the taliban themselves.

Only one second search at google was enough to shoot you down.

http://www.rawa.org/statues.htm

"Even neighbouring Pakistan, the Taliban's closest ally, called the Afghan ambassador here to register a strong protest."

"The team includes the ambassadors to neighbouring Pakistan from Greece and Italy, the French charge d'affaires for Afghanistan, plus members of the Islamabad-based Society for the Preservation of Afghanistan's Cultural Heritage.

The delegation called on Taliban Information and Culture Minister Qudratullah Jamal on Monday morning, a team member said."

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 21):
Alessandro From

You are absolutely disgusting, don't say you missed it, you ment to do it. I personally remember that time.
Thank you for showing your colors so early in the discussion.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 20):
do you have something against that?

You are soo missing the point, I am not against any of that. You are, and more than that you refuse to accept it, you go above and beyond to insult the beliefs of others and yet would consider yourself a tolerant person. Amazing!!


25 Gilligan : And as stated above that was 800 years ago, and between people that are so long dead I can't trace my family tree back to them. How long to you plan
26 Emirates773ER : Boeing4ever[/quote] Designated as Islamophobic.
27 Post contains links Bravo45 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1216110.stm Heres some thing from a more 'familiar to you' site.
28 Dtwclipper : Designated as Islamophobic.[/quote] If being against this insane violence makes me "Isamophobic"...please add me to that list!
29 777236ER : Being the most intollerant religion certainly is some feat. Religions don't generally have a good track record of tollerance. If all books were burnt
30 Bravo45 : I have responed to that earlier.
31 Bravo45 : No but being a defender of repeated insults (publishing the disputed cartoon KNOWING they are insulting ) is. So decide for yourself.
32 777236ER : When a mere cartoon is enough to get someone murdered in the name of Islam, I think it's perfectly just to be scared of Islam. When Islam attempts to
33 Dtwclipper : No, I am a defender of the freedom of the Press. I have already said that the cartoons were just in bad taste. The reaction in the Muslim world is ju
34 N1120A : Sure they would Read the entire rule The only thing that has been breeding hatred has been the actions of the west. There is nothing in the Koran tha
35 CasInterest : The worst part about the cartoons, is that millions of Islam adherants are proving them true. Religions are all about peace when you tow the line and
36 Bravo45 : Then thats the end of this part of the debate. I can agree with you on the other part. Most here would simply fuel it. I have to say I am amazed. My
37 B757300 : Some of the responses on this thread have proved my point. Islam is stuck in the 12th Century and unless something drags them into the modern world, t
38 Bravo45 : I wonder where are you at?
39 CasInterest : The actions of the west? We buy oil from the middle east: They buy food. We provide monetary aid for construction and poverty in the middle east: The
40 777236ER : Denying the Holocaust is offlimits because it's stupid. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence to suggest it did happen! It's a bit like denying
41 Bravo45 : It is when the oil is gone when the west will stop supporting and imposing the dictators and monarchs in the region, only then the people will have a
42 Marco : Yeah just killed all muslims (and jews) when the crusaders invaded Jeruselum not even for a cartoon, just for their faith Bravo45, history is not blac
43 CasInterest : we let the people of Palestine stand up, and they voted for Hamas.
44 Bravo45 : Do I need to remind you of the contradiction ?
45 N1120A : Only 8 more to go B757300. 8 more posts of racism and violence A single natural resource does not an economy make. Economic issues do not illustrate
46 CasInterest : Of course you forget, when the oil is gone, so will the money and trade. Everyone will watch as the people fight and kill to gain power. I have littl
47 Bravo45 : So did the Israelis when they elected Ariel Sharon. I agree, Muslims were stronger and provided leadership to the local christians. Muslims are fragm
48 KiwiinOz : As with all things inter-racial, inter-religous, inter-cultural, this thread, not to mention what's going on around the world at the moment, demontrat
49 777236ER : No, you don't. There's no contradiction. Anyone can deny the Holocaust didn't happen, just like anyone can deny clouds exist. That being said, just b
50 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I'm not about to burn down a mosque over a cartoon. Heck Islamic fundamentalism killed 3000 of my countrymen in one day...and even then I have not bu
51 N1120A : Of course, and they should. If they deny it didn't happen, they are saying it did happen. Now, denying it did happen is not a good thing.
52 Bravo45 : Okay here goes AGAIN!! I condemn them. I do see some here not supporting the publishing of the cartoon in the first place, YOU ARE NOT AMONG THEM. Le
53 Boeing Nut : I beg to differ.
54 777236ER : I think the cartoons weren't funny, and were pretty insulting. But I fully support the right of the paper to print them. Are you joking? I'm the narr
55 Bravo45 : Read reply number 5. And for once just try to think of it with a neutral mind. I personally (though can't judge you but still would say) think you ca
56 L-188 : Exactly. It is unfortunate that the response has been what it has, rather then asking the question, "Why is this the west's preception of our prophet
57 Marco : agree, Muslims were stronger and provided leadership to the local christians. Christians didn't have to side with muslims, once the crusaders were th
58 Bravo45 : Thats you!!! Hey pal!!! I am keeping the thread alive for you to notice you owe someone a reply, probably to explain yourself, but I guess you chose
59 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Reply 5 was defiance towards your attempt to trample my freedoms and those of the Danes. Just because you don't agree with a cartoonist, doesn't mean
60 777236ER : I wouldn't be tollerant of Hitler, either. That doesn't make me a bad person.
61 Bravo45 : You can't judge what else I do, its (I think) been close to a decade I told someone which sect I belong to (BTW I don't think you undestand what the
62 777236ER : Then by all means, ask all Muslims to leave our liberal, free countries.
63 Mika : Who is defending what Jyllandsposten did? I can assure you that not many in here and outside of here for that matter. What most of us defend is the f
64 Aseem : An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Mahatma Gandhi, (attributed) Indian ascetic & nationalist leader (1869 - 1948) IMHO!! As much as the p
65 Bravo45 : You are the First person I have seen to say those words. While many other including me have already condemned the reaction which was in response to t
66 Aa757first : Freedom of speech and religion at its finest. AAndrew
67 Windshear : Bravo45 I have debated these cartoons here in Denmark back in SEPTEMBER when they got out, how ever I have stated this, as did our PM that they are no
68 Bravo45 : As I have mentioned today (don't remember on which thread) that I heard about the cartoons (could have been on a.net) a while back (don't remmeber ho
69 WhiteHatter : I know it is offensive. I also know burning down embassies and making threats of death by beheading are not consistent with my ideals of free speech
70 Texdravid : And thank God we had the Mahatma leading us in our struggle for independence. He and the other pioneers such as Nehru, Patel, etc, demanded we never
71 PIA777 : BULLSHIT. Many Muslims died in that terrible act of terror. All muslim countries condemned that action. Get your friggin facts straight. PIA777
72 Bravo45 : I don't know but if you can, read my other posts that I wrote today, I said this same thing over and over again and more than once I was told "they a
73 ReguPilot : AGREED! Now, the big problem is that in most cases, religions follow a leader, and if that leader condems something, then everybody will do it. So ma
74 Aseem : That's where democracy steps in as there its just the reverse. Bush talks about democracy in middle-east, but i'm skeptical as this is something that
75 Agill : But many of us it seems like this outcry is much stronger than that after 9-11. And to be honest the fact that it was done in the name if Islam tarni
76 IceTitan447 : They take notice? The world has taken notice, they(Muslims) do nothing! They are afraid of the islamo fascist, they wont go against the grain. Taking
77 Post contains links Blrsea : Well, Pakistan govt appeared to be speaking in two voices. While they "condemned" the taliban action, another govt ministry issued a statement saying
78 Lehpron : Religions are neither intolerant nor tolerant, they do not think or act, they cannot not take blame or praise... Without people on this Earth, religio
79 APFPilot1985 : Intolerant, maybe Most Hypocritical Yes
80 J_Hallgren : I don't recall many Christian's rioting in the streets, burning embassies and such when that "artist" came out with that "Piss Christ" thing...where a
81 Alessandro : Bravo, I agree with Blrsea and no have not avoided you, I been fishing today and I didn´t drown.
82 Mandala499 : 777236ER... Sorry to join this debate and the other threads a bit late... I, unlike the protesters have a life to live and support and I'd rather not
83 Texan : Lebanon's cabinet also issued an apology to Denmark, and Turkey and Spain had a joint press release asking for peace and the quelling of violence, al
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