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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

This is enough to make you retch.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18066746-23109,00.html

Abstract:

Iran to publish Holocaust cartoons
From: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Tehran
February 07, 2006
IRAN'S largest selling newspaper announced today it was holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Don't you think this 'you've done it to me so I'm going to do it to you' mentality is rather immature? You'd expect it from teenagers, not fully grown and apparently clever people. We live in a world of stupid people.


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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
This is enough to make you retch.

Yes, yes it certainly is.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Wait?

Didn't the president of Iran recently announce that he didn't believe in the reality of the holocaust?

Kind of an odd about face


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Well, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth......

This is just another tactic by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to take the Iranian populations mind off of domestic issues.

Odd though, Denmark is a Lutheran country. Shouldn't they be finding some bad ass images of Luther (not Lex)?


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
You'd expect it from teenagers, not fully grown and apparently clever people.

True, but since we're talking about Iranian public figures, I don't know that 'fully grown and apparently clever people' applies. . .  stirthepot 

Seriously, as tasteless and childish as this may be, they have every right to hold this contest and publish the cartoons. And they should fully expect a firestorm of criticism over any offensive, libelous or hurtful imagery. But the difference will be at the end of the day, no Iranian embassies will be smoking ruins, and no death threats will be hanging over the head of the Iranian government because of what a paper published.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Don't you think this 'you've done it to me so I'm going to do it to you' mentality is rather immature?

If all can end up with cartoons, it's the best solution. We can all mock each other and keep on living. As long as there is no destruction, fire, etc. I can live with that.



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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Ahmadinejad strikes again. As much as I cant stand this kat, at least he's entertaining. I am not Jewish however I will say I am offended that they are going to publish anti-Jewish cartoons. You wont see me going around rioting, torching Iranian Embassies, or calling for the deaths of the publishers. Even if they verbally attacked my religion (United Methodist to be specific) I wouldnt go all crazy.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Well, that seems to be about par for the course in the Muslim world these days.

Keep pilling it on there guys. I guess it's not good enough to have very little respect left in the West. You won't be happy until you've made sure you have no respect whatsoever.

[Edited 2006-02-07 02:16:00]


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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3015 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
Seriously, as tasteless and childish as this may be, they have every right to hold this contest and publish the cartoons. And they should fully expect a firestorm of criticism over any offensive, libelous or hurtful imagery. But the difference will be at the end of the day, no Iranian embassies will be smoking ruins, and no death threats will be hanging over the head of the Iranian government because of what a paper published.

I agree. Although, I do hate how all of Denmark is getting the blame instead of that one lousy newspaper... It's a pity...

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
IRAN'S largest selling newspaper announced today it was holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed.

How in the hell can you draw a cartoon of something that you don't believe existed in the first place?

Or did Iran just admit that it really did happen?



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User currently offlinePetmbro From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
But the difference will be at the end of the day, no Iranian embassies will be smoking ruins, and no death threats will be hanging over the head of the Iranian government because of what a paper published.

Although these cartoons will most likely be highly offensive and extremely distasteful, I believe the best solution is to just ignore it. We all know they're doing this just to get attention, so the smartest and most mature way to go about this is to ignore it and let it die out. Show them how civilized people act.



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2901 times:
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Iran has already made it clear that it is trying to revise history in it's aim of destroying Israel.
Their claim that the Holocaust is fiction , has already made the Iranian state in to the ultimate cartoon, in a way no artist could ever achieve!

C



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Quoting Petmbro (Reply 11):
Although these cartoons will most likely be highly offensive and extremely distasteful, I believe the best solution is to just ignore it.

Actually, in light of what's going on, the best way to stick it to Iran (which is trying to make some point that by publishing such cartoons, people in the West will somehow torch embassies and come off as hypocrites) is for Israeli papers to pick up the cartoons and publish them. The Iranians can draw whatever they want...if Israelis do this, not only will it shatter Iran's goal and make them look even more foolish, but it's a great way to stand by Denmark and to stand for free speech.

Let Iran bring on all the offensive cartoons it wants...that would have been a more appropriate response in the first place as opposed to burning embassies!

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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

I believe in taking all measures to make sure nobody ever does such a thing (the publishing of the original cartoons) instead of a tit for tat. This would be another wrong step in the name of protest.

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Hmmmm...I wonder how many Jews will take to specified streets and communities and buidings and will torch them in protest as the Iranians have seen so fit to voice their own discontent of such cartoons? I don't think it will be an issue. The Jewish and most "civilized" communities would properly view such acts as "third world".

Anybody wanna make book on who is a real player in the "third world"? Maybe we should invent a new term...errr...the "fourth world" ?.

The USA has many problems; most all are in some stage of mature address.

Only last week there were 5 (6?) southern Baptist churches torced in Georgia, and prejudices against racial/sexual orientation/lifestyle/abortion etc views still (and to a degree will probably always) exsist. But, after a short 200+ years, most of the USAers I know are absolutely disgusted by the thousands of years (and still counting) record of what I'd like to term "fourth world leaders". regards...jack



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 13):
Actually, in light of what's going on, the best way to stick it to Iran (which is trying to make some point that by publishing such cartoons, people in the West will somehow torch embassies and come off as hypocrites) is for Israeli papers to pick up the cartoons and publish them. The Iranians can draw whatever they want...if Israelis do this, not only will it shatter Iran's goal and make them look even more foolish, but it's a great way to stand by Denmark and to stand for free speech.

Not only Israeli newspapers. I think it would be great idea for the European newspapers to reprint them as well. The Iranians would end up looking like total fools. And there's nothing as sweet as defeating your enemy using his own weapons.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 14):
I believe in taking all measures to make sure nobody ever does such a thing (the publishing of the original cartoons) instead of a tit for tat.

Then you basically believe in censorship.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 6):

If all can end up with cartoons, it's the best solution. We can all mock each other and keep on living. As long as there is no destruction, fire, etc. I can live with that.

Amen to that. Even as a Jew, I can deal with this as long as people aren't firing guns and lobbing missiles at eachother.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

While Iran's publication of these Jewish caricature cartoons is childish and while they are ruled by a regime that has no respect for real free speech, why should the publication of these wretched cartoons offend the mavens of free speech on here?

If you (like I) support the right of a Danish newspaper to publish cartoons, many of which were pretty vile by any standard of good taste, why should you scream bloody murder when an Iranian newspaper does the same?

Is it because you find a caricature of a Muslim perfectly acceptable, while that of a Jew offensive? Lets not forget that less than a century ago, the western press (not just Germany, but the UK and the US as well) was no less anti-semitic and published some pretty nauseating depictions of Jews.

If you're going to defend free speech, you have to do it for everyone, including those you find inherently obnoxious.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 1):
Don't you think this 'you've done it to me so I'm going to do it to you' mentality is rather immature?

So is burning down buildings and blowing shit up.

Nanny Nanny Boo Boo . . . I'm gonna tell my Mommy!!!  sarcastic 

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
Seriously, as tasteless and childish as this may be, they have every right to hold this contest and publish the cartoons. And they should fully expect a firestorm of criticism over any offensive, libelous or hurtful imagery. But the difference will be at the end of the day, no Iranian embassies will be smoking ruins, and no death threats will be hanging over the head of the Iranian government because of what a paper published.

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Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 17):
Even as a Jew, I can deal with this as long as people aren't firing guns and lobbing missiles at eachother.

If my Israeli Grandmother were still alive, she'd shake her head, and continue to march.



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 16):
Not only Israeli newspapers. I think it would be great idea for the European newspapers to reprint them as well. The Iranians would end up looking like total fools. And there's nothing as sweet as defeating your enemy using his own weapons.

That would be the sweetest revenge, and would speak volumes for those who truly believe in free speech. And, yes, Iran would look completely asinine (although its hard to believe that they could top their recent record).


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
If you (like I) support the right of a Danish newspaper to publish cartoons, many of which were pretty vile by any standard of good taste, why should you scream bloody murder when an Iranian newspaper does the same?

I don't see many people here screaming bloody murder about it.

I see some people who are confused by the turn about on the refutation of the holocaust, and some people who think it's childish...


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 21):
I see some people who are confused by the turn about on the refutation of the holocaust, and some people who think it's childish...

That's not the issue here.
The crazy Iranian president has gone on record for months denying the holocaust. That's old hat. We know he's insane.
The issue is the publication of these cartoons in response to the Danish publication of the Muhammed cartoons. Its the tit for tat that's the childish act. The state controlled Iranian press obviously knows that publishing cartoons showing Jesus in a negative light will make much of the Western world yawn and laugh at them even more. Satirizing religion is de rigeur in the West; satirizing genocide is not. Erego, they choose what is the rawest wound in the recent history of the West and mock it in the most offensive way possible.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):

If my Israeli Grandmother were still alive, she'd shake her head, and continue to march.

Huh? I'm not sure what you're getting at.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 23):
Huh? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Agreeing with your comment here:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 17):
Even as a Jew, I can deal with this as long as people aren't firing guns and lobbing missiles at eachother.



25 DrDeke : Yes, the holocaust was a terrible and revolting thing, but who cares what some Iranian newspaper prints? Who cares what some Danish newspaper prints?
26 Post contains images UAL747 : Here's a comic book on the Holocaust that Ahmadinejad can go and read: Studied Maus 1 and Maus 2 freshman year of college. UAL
27 MidnightMike : How is this possible, according to Iran, the Holocaust never took place.......
28 Post contains images MD11junkie : Quick! Let's torch down their embassy! So true... seems like Mr. Ahmadinejad is a BIG opportunist, and pretty populist. Strikes back whenever the sit
29 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Never underestimate the power of stupidity. If you do, you're eyes will get stuck bulged out... ...in disbelief. I have complete and utter faith in t
30 Post contains images Jamie757 : It really is a shame that the world has come to this, it reminds me of a petty squabble I had when I was 14 (without the destruction of course). Rgds.
31 AirTran737 : Jesus, now were getting into a "My dick is bigger than your dick" contest. This guy is an asshole, pure and simple. Iran is quickly digging themselves
32 Post contains images Mexicana757 : Well this sure does sound childish. I wonder what kind of reactions they're expecting to get out this.
33 Omoo : bummer.....here we go again....
34 RJpieces : Did I miss the joke, or do you really have an Israeli grandmother?
35 Clipperhawaii : That's right! I have a feeling that there will be no burning of embassies or protests. Thus the fundamental difference between "us" and "them". Choos
36 Post contains images Falcon84 : He got you there, Jaysit. Got you cold.
37 Mir : Watch Iranian embassies NOT get burned. Nobody's going to care. Maybe that will show the Islamic world how to deal with stuff they don't like. Oh, and
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : No Joke, she's Jewish - that's not news . . . I'm Dutch, Irish, Cherokee and Israeli . . . Hellofa combination ain't it. Irish and Israeli and Cherok
39 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Keep digging that hole, f#@kers. Maybe you'll find respect at the bottom of that hole. Or not. I expect very little from Iran's leadership, and they
40 Jaysit : In your zealousness to condemn thuggish Islamic fundies, and your cry for unity of the West against noisy Mullahs (I can see T-shirts being printed f
41 Post contains links Soyuzavia : If these cartoons are going to be denying the holocaust, then frankly, this is a fucking brilliant move on the part of the Hamshahri newspaper. I see
42 Jaysit : But that isn't what the newspapers would be saying. The publication of these anti-semitic cartoons would obviously come with a disclaimer and a state
43 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I think we've hit on one thing the Iranians and Ana Nicole Smith have in common--it takes zero effort for them to look like complete dipsh!ts. In fac
44 PIA777 : I would think Iran would have better things to do in this Holy month of Muharrum. I hope its not true. PIA777
45 Soyuzavia : And that too is true. And then all any neo-Nazi group in Germany (they still exist of course!) would need to do is start up their own newspaper (free
46 Post contains images LY7E7 : Islamic reaction to cartoons: well known. Israeli reaction: official protest to the UN. Mods, - I think you can close this thread
47 MaverickM11 : Vilifying Jews, and making light of the systematic mass murder of millions of Jews are not even in the same universe of existence. What has ever stop
48 Cptkrell : I'm thinking that I pretty much suscribe to Pe@rson and Cfalk's comments and am tempted to keep using the term "fourth world" from now on, even though
49 Post contains images Soyuzavia : The answer is simple. Laws in at least a dozen European countries which makes denying the holocaust a criminal offence. And leaders of most of the ab
50 Clipperhawaii : Yeah, you got your head handed to you on a plate and you continue to attack those with views that are SO unlike your own. Free speech eh? LOL It kind
51 L410Turbolet : I am no holocaust denier - quite opposite - but frankly the law is stupid. You have people claiming the Earth is flat, that Apollo 11 never landed on
52 N229NW : I actually don't see many here screaming bloody murder. I said it makes me retch. So did the original Danish cartoons(especially the one). Both ideas
53 Oly720man : Yep, I think they've just shot themselves in the foot big time with that one. And, really, why pick on jews when the cartoons were printed in a non-j
54 QR332 : First of all, about this being immature: wasn't it immature to print the cartoons just to see how the Muslims would react to them? Secondly, the use o
55 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'm sure the very first thing the publishers thought was . . ."Gee, lets print these cartoons just to see how spun up we can get all the Muslims in t
56 Post contains links and images SK A340 : Is Iran a country or a reality show? Today I red that the religious leader of Iran declared the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad a "Sionistic conspira
57 Post contains links and images QR332 : Then I guess you didn't read the article from the first thread. The newspaper stated that the point of these cartoons was to show that they were not
58 L410Turbolet : No it was great proof of what was so far only suspected. I could argue with you that making fun of some mythological dude and denying genocide of 6+
59 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Which one was the first thread . Regardless, I read it now. Bad call on the part of the newspaper . . . I disagree with their reasoning. That said, I
60 WhiteHatter : Yep, it's the 'queer' thing. The gay community reclaimed that word from use as an insult. Unfortunately hardline Israeli elements won't see it that w
61 QR332 : A) Mohammed's life is very well documented, he was a very real man with a grave in Medina who has had countless books recorded about his life. B) Moh
62 Wukka : This point needs to be reiterated. The Iranian response makes no sense at all other than stirring the pot.
63 Post contains images ANCFlyer : You've never met my former in-laws. QR, this statement is borne out of ignorance my friend. I assure you, there are Christians all over the world tha
64 L410Turbolet : As I said I disagree with criminalization of holocaust deniers. No need for that. Decent people will consider them as idiots regardless of whether th
65 Miamiair : Islam needs to grow a thicker skin. What gets me is all the evil things some(READ SOME) Muslims do in the name of their God. A lot of the actions take
66 RJpieces : Many Arabs and Muslims have a common denominator with their Jew hatred...So it makes sense for them to play to that audience. There is a long history
67 11Bravo : I agree with you QR. Denying the Holocaust should not be illegal. That is clearly an inconsistency in the laws of those countries that prohibit such
68 AeroWesty : The thing I don't understand about this portion of Islam is that first, Mohammed didn't begin hearing the word of god until he was about 40. I've nev
69 Post contains images Boeing Nut :    When exactly was that? QR332, although I do see some of your points, the overall point is flawed. The big problem boils down to PR. I realize th
70 7LBAC111 : I don't. I believe everyone has the god given right to print whatever they wish. You can print stuff about anything these days, and offend somebody.
71 MaverickM11 : You completely missed the point. There is nothing preventing anyone from making light of Jews. Will & Grace alternately makes fun of gays and Jews. S
72 Miamiair : QR332 So much Bullshit!!! This is like the case of Van Gogh, who made a movie that depicted in a poor light hiw Islam treats it's women. He was shot a
73 Post contains images Gary2880 : because i could draw a picture of a christian 'god'. not exactly hard... your social order, and americas social order does not rule the world. no tha
74 Miamiair : Pull your head out of...the sand. Where did I say America? Whether you are in Timbuktu, Warsaw, Manchester or any other place on this earth; burning
75 HAWK21M : India seems very peacefull comparatively right now.Whats with this tit for tat game. regds MEL
76 Post contains links MD-90 : Alabama, not Georgia. http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/bre...amnews_break/archives/2006_02.html Fires at nine Baptist churches in Alabama, five last
77 Mika : I personally couldn't care much less, they can publish whatever they want as far as i am concerned. Bring it on is all i can say. As long as no one gi
78 Erikwilliam : Wouldn´t it be easier if Denmark just said sorry our bad. Altough it´s a free world etc etc, and I agree, how do you deal with alieneted and extresm
79 Post contains images KaiGywer : He stated no more flags will be added for a while How slow are the muslims? The pictures are published 5 months ago, and now first do they start riot
80 Post contains images Aloges : Nope. The instigators would simply claim the apology was "insufficient", a "lie" or whatever else wretched minds can produce. Moderate clerics might
81 Post contains images Erikwilliam : Dunno about that. mass thinking is a bitch, real hard issue. Thing is, this felt for them as the "excuse" they nedeed, so they now can riot with a pu
82 Prebennorholm : No, dear LY. I don't think so. You and I have thicker skin than that. Let's analyse the whole thing: What was the intention of the Jyllandsposten dra
83 ANCFlyer : Spot on Aloges.
84 FSPilot747 : I like how Jon Stewart put it: "They're trying to offend all the blonde blue eyed Danish jews. Both of them.." or something like that.
85 FSPilot747 : Not just that. Extremist muslims have developed a sort of "culture of violence" and hatred. The issue here isn't simply whether or not to apologize,
86 Post contains images Jacobin777 : they (the government) don't have to, they hide behind a veil of hypocricy in the guise of "safety", violating tons of United Nations Resolutions and
87 Post contains images ANCFlyer : And of course, no Israelis have been killed have they . . . Give it a rest will ya.
88 Post contains images Sovietjet : Let them publish whatever they want. We dont care and we're not gonna react to it. No other group but these extremist Muslims would react anyways. I t
89 Post contains images Flyboy36y : I'd recheck your statistics or look up "innocent"
90 MD11Engineer : Actually Neo-Nazis from all over the world would happily jump in and applaud. Jan
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