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Mad As Hell - 90yr Old Neighbour Burgled!  
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Our next door neighbour is 90 years old and lives on her own. Last thursday night someone broke in and robbed her. She wasn't harmed physically but they took cash and stuff. Her back door was locked but they broke it open.
I feel guilty that I'm only 50 yards away and never heard anything.  Sad

Her niece has been staying overnight with her ever since and she's in her fifties. I just don't know how anyone could do that to a fragile old woman and our street always used to be really safe. I guess it really hits home when it happens on your doorstep.

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User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
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User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

 Sad

Wow... that's just disgusting! I hope the perpetrators get what they deserve... that really is repulsive!  mad 


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

This warrants capital punishment.


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User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
This warrants capital punishment.

Doubt this will be treated any different than any other burglery... unfortunately  Sad


User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Horrible... there are some really heartless people in this world!  banghead 

User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Do they not have monitored alarm systems available in that area? Around here, I would say she could check with members of her church or community organization to see if they could help with a monitored alarm system that allows the monitoring company to contact law enforcement if it is set off. If that's not an option, a private alarm system with a dialer that would contact law enforcement automatically would be second choice.

In either case, it's too bad the niece (who apparently is able-bodied) is not allowed to have a firearm to protect them both due to stringent laws. This is a good example of the fact that law enforcement can't be everywhere at once.


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 6):
it's too bad the niece (who apparently is able-bodied) is not allowed to have a firearm to protect them both due to stringent laws.

Kinda fixated on the gun thing, aren't you, dude? You know, not everybody subscribes to the right to bear arms - and that's okay.



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

It really is shocking that someone can be so heartless! Keep an eye out for her, SVO, she will no doubt be extra frightened and jumpy now, and will need people to support her when her neice isn't about.


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User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 7):
Kinda fixated on the gun thing, aren't you, dude? You know, not everybody subscribes to the right to bear arms - and that's okay.

Proven to be the most effective defense for someone who is protecting their life (or someone else's) from a much stronger assailant, that's all. I understand that not everyone agrees, and that's certainly their right.


User currently offlineABfemme From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

There has been a spate of burglaries around us lately and it kinda puts you on high alert, hope they catch the sicko's that did this, hope she recovers from this quickly, just keep a look out for her........that's what I would do

Claire


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 9):
Proven to be the most effective defense for someone who is protecting their life (or someone else's) from a much stronger assailant, that's all.

A legal firearm was also proven to have killed 16 members of this class, including their teacher.



User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
A legal firearm was also proven to have killed 16 members of this class, including their teacher.

Yep, you're right! But I seriously doubt that 9VSPO's 90-year old neighbor's 50-something year old niece would do that. And because of the overreaction of a whole society because of that event, this lady obviously can't feel safe in her own house at night. And how many others will be vulnerable to the same thing happening because they are denied the ability to protect themselves by their own government, the same government that is supposed to be protecting them? Where will this "burglar" stop? Will he always be satisfied with theft? Maybe he'll see an opportunity tonight when he does it again and he'll move up to sexual assault. Or maybe murder. Maybe it will be someone YOU know. Or love. It happened to someone 9VSPO knows. And it happens to many others each night. MANY more in a month than the lives that were taken in that incident. Did you see ABfemme's post?

Quoting ABfemme (Reply 10):
There has been a spate of burglaries around us lately and it kinda puts you on high alert

So keep trying to shock people with that same old argument and picture. You take people for simpletons who can't understand that the number of people's safety that is at risk from a violent home invasion crime is far greater than those lost in the argument you keep presenting.

Here's another quote of ABfemme's post, just in case you missed it the first time-

Quoting ABfemme (Reply 10):
There has been a spate of burglaries around us lately and it kinda puts you on high alert

Obviously, it's happening a lot. I'd sure be scared as hell for my family if I lived there!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
Where will this "burglar" stop? Will he always be satisfied with theft? Maybe he'll see an opportunity tonight when he does it again and he'll move up to sexual assault. Or maybe murder. Maybe it will be someone YOU know. Or love

And what does owning a firearm have to do with this burglar?

Do those who own firearms never get burgled, robbed, mugged, raped or murdered?

Besides, its unlikely if owning a gun would have helped Grandma in this instance.


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
And what does owning a firearm have to do with this burglar?

It has to do with people feeling safe in thir own homes.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Do those who own firearms never get burgled, robbed, mugged, raped or murdered?

Certainly not, nobody ever said it does. But it does give an individual a chance to avoid the acts you mentioned if the decide to arm themselves- a chance they might not otherwise have.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Besides, its unlikely if owning a gun would have helped Grandma in this instance.

This time Grandma, next time.......who? Which is one reason why I wrote 2 lines in my original post (Reply 6) about having a firearm and 4 lines about having an alarm system, which I might point out has generated NO other discussion!


User currently onlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5508 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Expect a follow-up by NWA742 or ANCFlyer very shortly.

User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Lucky...Here in Argentina we recently got a chain of bruttal attacks to old people.They usually kill them, or bruttaly injure them.Just for a few pesos...  Sad

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
But I seriously doubt that 9VSPO's 90-year old neighbor's 50-something year old niece would do that.

The police didn't think 43 year old Thomas Hamilton, shop keeper and Scout leader would massacre 16 children and their teacher with a legally-owned firearm either.

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
Will he always be satisfied with theft? Maybe he'll see an opportunity tonight when he does it again and he'll move up to sexual assault. Or maybe murder. Maybe it will be someone YOU know. Or love. It happened to someone 9VSPO knows.

Dum dum DUM!!

Let's stop being melodramatic, and look at the facts. A bloke kicked in a door and stole some cash. Big fucking deal. Ultimately, this isn't a big crime. Certainly this crime doesn't warrent some radical re-think of the gun laws.

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):


Obviously, it's happening a lot. I'd sure be scared as hell for my family if I lived there!

It's a shame, therefore, that the murder rate in the US is much, much higher than it is in the UK?


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
Let's stop being melodramatic, and look at the facts. A bloke kicked in a door and stole some cash. Big fucking deal. Ultimately, this isn't a big crime.

OK, get back with me when it's YOUR door kicked down and YOUR cash that is stolen.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
It's a shame, therefore, that the murder rate in the US is much, much higher than it is in the UK?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

"Evolution of murder rates over time in different countries is often used by both supporters and opposers of capital punishment and gun control. Using properly filtered data, is possible to make the case for or against either of these issues. For example, one could look at murder rates in United States during 1950-2000 [4] and notice that those rates went up sharply shortly after a moratorium on death sentences was effectively imposed in late 1960's. This fact could be used to argue that capital punishment serves as a deterrent and, as such, it is morally justified. Capital punishment opposers would counter that United States have much higher murder rates than Canada and European Union countries, although all those countries have abolished death penalty. Gun control advocates could further point out that, unlike United States, many European countries disallow gun ownership by private citizens, etc. Overall, the global pattern is too complex and, on average, the influence of both these factors is probably insignificant."


User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1046 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
This warrants capital punishment.

As much as I feel for the victims and would be angered if it were myself or a relative/friend/neighbor, just think about what you are saying. It really smacks of a military state. Is that what you're looking for? FGS, think about what you say here.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
Last thursday night someone broke in and robbed her. She wasn't harmed physically but they took cash and stuff. Her back door was locked but they broke it open.

It's a shame that crimes like this are becoming much more common in the UK. I don't suppose the near total ban on guns would have anything to do with it, though. A 90-year old who lives by herself can handle a 22 pistol.

Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 7):
You know, not everybody subscribes to the right to bear arms - and that's okay.

No, that's not okay. Everyone has a choice to be armed or not. But no one has the right to use government coercion to deprive anyone else of their natural rights, in this case the right to use the appropriate tools for self defense.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
A legal firearm was also proven to have killed 16 members of this class, including their teacher.

So the evil gun just decided one day to mosey on over and shoot some people, did it?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
The police didn't think 43 year old Thomas Hamilton, shop keeper and Scout leader would massacre 16 children and their teacher with a legally-owned firearm either.

Too bad teachers aren't allowed to conceal carry if they wish. It almost surely would've prevented that tragedy.


9VSPO, don't hold it against yourself that you didn't hear anything. Such crimes can be very quiet, indeed.


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1015 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 20):
don't hold it against yourself that you didn't hear anything

Thanks. I think an alarm is the way forward. It's just such a shock when it's always been such a quiet neighbourhood.  Sad


User currently offlinePilotsmoe From United States of America, joined May 2005, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1012 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
The police didn't think 43 year old Thomas Hamilton, shop keeper and Scout leader would massacre 16 children and their teacher with a legally-owned firearm either.

So, I could kill as many people on a busy street corner with my car  Wink I loooove guns! God bless the second amendment  cloudnine 


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 989 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 21):
Thanks. I think an alarm is the way forward.

But would the coppers have been there soon enough to do any good? I doubt it.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 985 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 23):

But would the coppers have been there soon enough to do any good? I doubt it.

No, but it still acts as a deterrant... a burgular is 9 time out of 10 an oppertunist theif... if they see an alarm on a house, they're less likely to break in because there is an increased risk of being caught...

The same reason they're less likely to go for a house with lights on and a radio or TV on inside...



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
25 StuckinMAF : And looks like I have the great honor of being the first to add you to my Respected Users list! Agreed. And likely would have made a difference at Co
26 Mhodgson : Problem is, surely if we could arm ourselves, potential intruders could do the same, thus it becomes a case of who pulls the trigger first. And i'd im
27 ScarletHarlot : Let me point out that the American way is not the only way. Fine for you in the States to say this, but don't project your gun love onto other countr
28 777236ER : I've been the victim of crime a few times. " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder So, your subjective and highly political article from
29 Jaysit : Grandma needs a good anti-burglary warning system. Not the rants of a few crazy Americans who want to impose their absolutist interpretations of the 2
30 NWA742 : Incredibly moot. By that logic, one could argue for banning aircraft in the US as terrorists used them to murder 3000 people. I mean, airplanes too c
31 MD-90 : If they have a CCW and they want to, why not? I've got a "root cause" for you: students know that schools are gun-free zones, except for maybe a secu
32 Jaysit : But planes are operated by highly trained professionals who are trained, scrutinized and judged fit. The average idiot can't just command an airplane
33 777236ER : Which is why the people who use airplanes have to have years of training, recurrant training and detailed security checks. To be let near an aircraft
34 StuckinMAF : That same article you are talking about ALSO says that those numbers you keep referring back to are skewed because the UK puts different crimes in th
35 777236ER : The murder rate and manslaughter rate are kept separate. It seems your article becomes more and more prejudiced after each reply you make. Considerin
36 Post contains links StuckinMAF : Unfortunately you're gonna eat those words, buddy. Just because handguns are banned doesn't stop violence. It still happens, you just don't hear abou
37 Post contains images 777236ER : Those words were 'a kid has never gone into a school with a gun and killed a whole bunch of people'. Now, I understand that you're maybe not the brig
38 StuckinMAF : What I understand is that either, used in a malicious manner, will kill someone just as dead. You might also like to include pictures of....
39 777236ER : Well done! Which is why both have significant legislation here in the UK! One final time (I promise): In the UK it is illegal to own a handgun. In th
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