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FIFA Sanctions: Switzerland - Turkey Game  
User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1375 times:

Under the following link you can read about the sanctions that FIFA has given to the Swiss and Turkish team.

http://www.fifa.com/en/media/index/0...69,114431,00.html?articleid=114431

In my opinion, six games behind closed doors on neutral ground is waaay not enough, especially after what had happened not being the first time it had ocurred.

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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1359 times:

What a bunch of crap, Huggel gets the same sentence as Alpay. The Fifa doesn't seem to have any skill at all. They should have banned the Turkish from the next European and the next World cup. With silly punishments like this they will never be disciplined, they will play those six games in Germany and that will make the whole sentence ridiculous.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1343 times:

Quoting AviationMaster (Thread starter):
waaay not enough, especially after what had happened

it unfortunately IS enough. Why ? Because worse things may happen, so that penalties have to become stronger if required. Overall, I think, it is a balanced and correct judgment.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1343 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
They should have banned the Turkish from the next European and the next World cup.

And what to do with worse offenders ? No, I do NOT believe that emotional outbursts are helpful. I fully back the judgment of Mr al-Khalifa, who tried to deal with the problem in a balanced way.


User currently offlineLSPA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1333 times:

I also think that the sanctions are way milder than expected and I'm really disappointed that Huggel gets the same penalty as Alpay and Emre. Consider this: Would Huggel have had an emotional outburst if this hadn't been started by the Turkish?


~reach for the sky!
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

Quoting LSPA (Reply 4):
Would Huggel have had an emotional outburst if this hadn't been started by the Turkish?

NO. But would it have been as bad as this, had there not been so mis-behaviours on the "date" before in Berne ? Mr al-Khalifa had to keep a balance. The fault was with Turkey. But Huggel with his "outburst" threatened to make matters even worse. In my view it should have been HALF of the penalty for the Turks involved, but, again, a visible balance had to be done.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
they will play those six games in Germany and that will make the whole sentence ridiculous.

Germany or wherever it doesn't matter, all games will be played behind closed doors.

Hey guys, I just finished reading some of the posts in Turkish papers, and I can tell you 90% thinks that this is unfair(!), and about 10% thinks this is a wakeup call and time to change some things.
To put things in perspective, everyone in the world thinks that Greeks and Turks fight all the time. Nothing happened in the games between the two. The only reason Swiss got a bad treatment in Istanbul was the Turkish national anthem was booed in Switzerland, and this created a bad vibe. Turks are not sore losers, look at the history of soccer, and they lost many many many games. Just like the Swiss they are very nationalistic and don't like to be taunted.
More importantly though this will have a negative effect on Turkish EU membership course and once 85% in favor vote, now 65% might go way down in Turkey.
Any guesses on where they will play those 6 games? Israel or Kazakistan?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):
Israel or Kazakistan?

A) your country should have gone to FIFA after the Berne match
B) neither Israel nor Kazakstan. I suggest Mongolia or Kiribati or Uruguay !

 yes   wave 


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
Mongolia or Kiribati or Uruguay

Has to be a UEFA affiliate country.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

The problem with Huggel is that he is not only missing the World cup in Germany BUT also the European Cup in Switzerland/Austria in 2008 since Switzerland is already qualified because they are hosts.

It is a bit unfair since the Turkish players are not at the World cup and are only banned during the qualifying games to the European Cup.

It means- basically- that Huggel's career is over. And this only because he took revenge after his mates got kicked...

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
It means- basically- that Huggel's career is over.

I am not really familiar with Huggel but I am sure, except two cases, most of these rulings will be appealed and most likely Huggel might get a lesser ban.


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4126 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Or Switzerland wins the world cup. Then they would have played more than 6 games already Big grin


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
Mongolia or Kiribati or Uruguay

Has to be a UEFA affiliate country.

Oh, I see ! so it must be Andorra, the Faroe Islands and Estonia


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
The problem with Huggel is that he is not only missing the World cup in Germany BUT also the European Cup in Switzerland/Austria in 2008

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>> e) Benjamin Huggel (Switzerland, player)
- a suspension of six official matches of his representative team <<
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I thought that any FULL match between national teams are "official matches" ? so that, whenever he loses out in regard to the World Cup, he should be back in business for the European Cup in two years time. I have to apologize for my meagre info on the subject, but whenever I played in a football club in school-times, I never followed football very closely later.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
I thought that any FULL match between national teams are "official matches" ?

No, due to a stupid FIFA regulation, it is not. Friendly games do not count as Full matches, only tournament and qualifying matches do. Germany's Mike Hanke is facing the same b.s: In the final of the Confed cup, he got the red card, and was sentenced to a 2-game penalty. Problem is, Germany is the host during the World Cup (obviously), and as such doesn't have any full matches, so as a result, if Hanke even gets nominated, he will miss the first two games of the World Cup.
The rule is ridiculous, but that's the FIFA for you  Yeah sure .


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
I thought that any FULL match between national teams are "official matches" ?

No, due to a stupid FIFA regulation, it is not. Friendly games do not count as Full matches, only tournament and qualifying matches do

oooops, that's bad ! that in that case may terminate many careers


User currently offlineLSPA From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):
Just like the Swiss they are very nationalistic

Well, I wouldn't call us nationalistic at all actually. The way I experienced Switzerland it is the contrary. Of course we support our athletes and I really think it is absolutly unaccaptable to boo out another country's anthem.
But why the overreaction? Booing out the opponent's anthem happens all the time. Why the "warm" welcome in Instanbul?

Another thing I really can't understand is why the Turkish coach is getting away without any punishment. After all he is the one that heated up all this agression within the players but also towards the media. And he is the one that went to kick down the referee's door.



~reach for the sky!
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Quoting LSPA (Reply 16):
ust like the Swiss they are very nationalistic

Well, I wouldn't call us nationalistic at all actually. The way I experienced Switzerland it is the contrary. Of course we support our athletes and I really think it is absolutly unaccaptable to boo out another country's anthem.
But why the overreaction? Booing out the opponent's anthem happens all the time. Why the "warm" welcome in Instanbul?

Another thing I really can't understand is why the Turkish coach is getting away without any punishment. After all he is the one that heated up all this agression within the players but also towards the media. And he is the one that went to kick down the referee's door.

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FIRST of all, you start with a wrong quote. The quote you gave was from reply-6 and from TK787 --- just to put the record straight
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B) Swiss and nationalistic. Not more than others, but certainly a good heavy deal more than you feel
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C) Why the overreaction on the Turkish side ? and why did they not react after the game in Berne and report to UEFA? this indeed is an open question
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D) the matter with the Turkish coach is strange. TK787 possibly knows more about this aspect


User currently offlineSenorcarnival From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Quoting AviationMaster (Thread starter):
In my opinion, six games behind closed doors on neutral ground is waaay not enough, especially after what had happened not being the first time it had ocurred.

Do you realize how much revenue the Turkish FA loses by playing those matches behind closed quarters, not to mention having to pay the organizing country's FA the costs of said matches? That'll set them back pretty good. It's punishment enough IMHO.

How come more Swiss players and coaching members weren't punished? My point is: if Square Jaw and Meyer were the only ones to be punished, it would seem rational to say they were the only ones that engaged in the scuffle, regardless if they were provoked or not. If he was standing up for his fellow teammates, that's nice, but he should have not retaliated.

Seeing I wasn't there nor was I able to see this footage, can someone find a video of this incident? Because if other Swiss players were involved and walked away punishment-free, then it really isn't fair, but if Huggel and Meyer were the only ones that were in the scuffle from the Swiss side, provoked or not, then the punishment certainly fits the crime.

As previously mentioned, I'm fairly certain friendlies are official matches, so if Huggel sits out of friendlies between now and 2008, which I'm sure Switzerland could arrange for (Brazil, it seems, plays tons of friendlies year-round,) then he'll be good to go. Meanwhile, Hopp Schweiz!


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
TK787 possibly knows more about this aspect

Not a whole lot but I will try...

Quoting LSPA (Reply 16):
Well, I wouldn't call us nationalistic at all actually. The way I experienced Switzerland it is the contrary.

I watched the first game in a bar in New York, and I felt it that way.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
Why the overreaction on the Turkish side ? and why did they not react after the game in Berne and report to UEFA? this indeed is an open question

First game was on a Saturday, and Sunday I am sure offices were closed, so you have only monday and tuesday, before playing on wednesday to make a case, and by thursday who cares it is too late.

Quoting LSPA (Reply 16):
Another thing I really can't understand is why the Turkish coach is getting away without any punishment. After all he is the one that heated up all this aggression within the players but also towards the media. And he is the one that went to kick down the referee's door.

This we still yet to see. I am not sure if he is responsible for anything, otherwise he would have been charged and banned also by FIFA. I think the Turks are split on the coach, some want him gone, some want to give him another chance. Just a reminder he took this job only 3 games earlier.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4919 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

This is a very unfair judgement, Huggel was not the instigator in any of the clashes so awarding him the same punishment is ridiculous. This is just yet another example of FIFA showing us how useless they really are.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

I don't accept the booing of an anthem as an excuse. Hell I've been to the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City to watch Mexico play the USA or Jamaica, and everytime there was booing, when the national anthem was played. Did the teams complain afterwards? NO!

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 18):
How come more Swiss players and coaching members weren't punished? My point is: if Square Jaw and Meyer were the only ones to be punished, it would seem rational to say they were the only ones that engaged in the scuffle, regardless if they were provoked or not. If he was standing up for his fellow teammates, that's nice, but he should have not retaliated.

From what I've seen and heard, only Meyer and Huggel (nice nick by the way Big grin) were the only ones that retaliated; stupid decision by them, but I would have done the same thing. To give Huggel a six game suspension is a disgrace IMO, this is a player who, from what I've read, has never even been given a red card in his entire professional career, a two to maximum four game suspension would have been enough. This is why:

He kicked back. YES
Did he start it? NO

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 18):
Seeing I wasn't there nor was I able to see this footage, can someone find a video of this incident? Because if other Swiss players were involved and walked away punishment-free, then it really isn't fair, but if Huggel and Meyer were the only ones that were in the scuffle from the Swiss side, provoked or not, then the punishment certainly fits the crime.

I will try to find the (uncut) version of the video, should be somewhere on the internet. And from what I have heard, seen and read, no other members of the Swiss team were involved in the incident.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
It means- basically- that Huggel's career is over. And this only because he took revenge after his mates got kicked...

Very sad to see his career end this way, at least he can still appeal the case.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
I thought that any FULL match between national teams are "official matches" ? so that, whenever he loses out in regard to the World Cup, he should be back in business for the European Cup in two years time. I have to apologize for my meagre info on the subject, but whenever I played in a football club in school-times, I never followed football very closely later.

Unfortunatly, only Qualifiers and Championship matches are considered "official matches", so this rules out friendly games.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 2):

it unfortunately IS enough. Why ? Because worse things may happen, so that penalties have to become stronger if required. Overall, I think, it is a balanced and correct judgment.

I think, if FIFA would once and for all hand out stronger penalties, it will lead to others think twice before they act stupidly. As I said in the initial post, this was not the first time something in this way happened in Turkey (German U21-Team incident). Had FIFA done something back then already, this whole mess between the Swiss and Turkish teams would have been avoidable.

What I still can't believe, is that the Turkish coach and goalkeeper Volkan, who was also filmed pushing one of the Swiss Team members as they were trying to run off the pitch, did not even see a sanction.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 21):
if FIFA would once and for all hand out stronger penalties, it will lead to others think twice before they act stupidly.

I am sorry but it doesn't work that way. Just look at the death penalty in the US. Nobody thinks that they will eventually get caught and punished, while committing a crime.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 21):
accept the booing of an anthem as an excuse

it was NOT accepted as an excuse, but clearly was a major reason

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 21):
To give Huggel a six game suspension is a disgrace

it simply is heavily overdone. It is killing him "football-wise"

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 21):
at least he can still appeal the case.

he certainly should try. A reduction to 2 instead of 6 might rescue his football career

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 21):
stronger penalties

in Turkish pounds, it goes into billions I suppose. The financial losses of the Turkish national team are quite substantial.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 21):
the Turkish coach and goalkeeper Volkan, who was also filmed pushing one of the Swiss Team members as they were trying to run off the pitch, did not even see a sanction.

heard today on radio, that he is regarded as a leading person in organized crime and that PrimeMinister Erdogan wants to bring the man to justice in quite another context.


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