TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 4558 posts, RR: 29 Posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3293 times:
We had many threads bashing the other side of the atlantic, either B vs. A, A vs. B, Bush vs. Bush haters, Death Punishment vs. resocialisation...
So maybe it is time for a thread where we state what we like on the other side of the pond... So I want to hear from the US A.netters: What do you like about Europe, as well as I want to hear from Europeans, what do you like about the US.
I will start... Despite the differences, there are many things which I admire the US for (we all know that "The Americans" or "The Europeans" is a gross simplification, but for this thread I will use it neverthelsess)
1. The USA are consequent. When Europe always talks, the US acts. This certainly isn't always the right option, but it is a good thing nevertheless. Without the US, people would still kill each other in Bosnia, just to give one example.
2. The USA freed Europe in WW2. I am German, but I am thankful for this nevertheless.
3. The USA have a consequent approach of Freedom of Speech. There is mostly no difference to Europe here, but the US are extremely consequent on this point.
4. The "can do, lets act" attitude... Be it athletes or engineers, if you have a goal, you do everything to achieve it. No whining, just trying to win...
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
The whole USA always gave me a great time!
It is my favourite country for holidays and I simply love it to be there. I just returned from a weekend in Detroit to watch the Superball, but I also remember a great time in California or just 11 hours in NYC before flying home. I enjoyed it every time there! The USA are actually the country which I have visited most (yes, even more than Spain ot the Netherlands, which is rare as a West-German).
Yes, I checked a pack of Mountain Dew Code Red in at DTW last Sunday, great stuff.
FutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2641 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
Although I have not been to Europe yet, I have talked with many Europeans and I enjoy their sense of culture, and their ability to not get offended at any little thing, unlike so many folks on this side of the pond.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21652 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
Without the USA, we'd probably all be in hell right now - after WWII being won by either Stalin or Hitler. Difficult to decide which one would have been worse.
Americans may have any number of shortcomings (like anybody else), but as a whole they can be - and actively try to be - generous to a fault. The Berlin Airlift surely had a major strategic value as well, but it was also one of the greatest demonstrations of altruism in history. The same can be said about the entire Marshall Plan, Care and many other efforts.
Americans are frightened to death that others might not love them enough and as a precaution often avoid listening to other people's real opinions about them. Even though that fear is wildy exaggerated and generally baseless.
American food is actually not necessarily awful. My own experiences with selected american non-fast-food were actually quite pleasant.
Enthusiasm can be a very good thing, but that is not always the case...
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
The best places I have ever visited - and some of the best places I ever lived - are in Europe. Wiesbaden, Germany; Lisbon Portugal; Barcelona, Spain; Positano, Italy; Copenhagen, Denmark - to name a few.
The culture and somewhat slower pace of life in rural Europe is what I like the most. And no one can beat the food and the festivals in Europe . . .
Of course, there's no question I like the USA . . . but there are places in this country I'll never go again. Just not my style. However Alaska, Hawaii, Arizona (in the winter), all my favorite places.
No matter the differences the US and the EU members feel here - on A-Net - it is apparent to even the most casual observer that in the big scheme of things, we are - essentially - one people. With an interest in only making things better for everyone.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4349 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3247 times:
I love the sense of history in Europe. The ability to turn a corner and suddenly realize you're standing in the same spot some Roman, Celt, Greek, etc., stood 2000 or more years ago. Buildings that have been housing people since before Christopher Columbus sailed. Traditions that predate our oldest cities.
Like ANC, I love the slower pace of life. Cafe society and leisurely, multi-course meals.
I like how today's European society is built on the knowledge of its recent past. Sure sometimes Europeans seem a little too passive when it comes to jumping into trouble spots, but they're working from the wisdom of up close and personal experience with war's devastation.
And mostly I like the people. Even in France, where my French is limited to Coffee, Beer, Good morning, thank you and good bye, people were friendly and went out of the way to help me. The best meal I ever had was in a small cafe in the Latin Quarter. I spoke no French, no one in the restaurant spoke any English, and yet I had great company and indescribably good food.
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 29203 posts, RR: 73
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
People are productive without working themselves to death.
Great Public Transportation.
Excellent primary education with an emphasis on language skills
Much less fast food culture
Significantly less puritanical thinking
City living, less waste of space
"The American Dream"
Excellent Higher Education
Wide open spaces
Less regulation (usually)
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3199 times:
What I like about Europe:
- I get a fantastic sense of history when I visit (as mentioned above). Rounding the corner and seeing the Coliseum takes my breath away. Unlike where I live (Los Angeles) where "some of the houses date all the way back to the 1970's" (Steve Martin -- LA Story)
- I love how in Spain dinner starts at 11pm.
- I really think Europeans are quite open-minded, and not so culturally conservative, which in my opinion is a very good thing.
- I like the diversity of languages and cultures.
- Very good public transportation systems (and for all the whining Londoners do about their's, I think it is quite good).
- I like that many of the Europeans I have met in the States seem genuinely excited and positive about visiting the US.
- I like they built the great car I drive (the Audi A3 -- thanks to the Germans!). For that matter, from Bentleys to Audis to BMWs to Porsches to Ferraris to Land Rovers to Mercedes -- Europeans make some damn good cars!
AGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3179 times:
Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 2): It is my favourite country for holidays and I simply love it to be there. I just returned from a weekend in Detroit to watch the Superball,
I hope you picked up a terrible towel while in Detroit! The Steeler nation is always accepting new fans.
I've never been to Europe, I hope to someday. Like others have said, I like the slower pace of things, along with the rich history and culture. Most "old" structures and places in the US aren't more than a few hundred years old, where folks have been in Europe since the dawn of man.
American Aviation: From Kitty Hawk to the Moon in 66 years!
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3164 times:
Cultural interaction. The majority of my holidays in Europe haven't been seeing relics (although if I pass by them, I might drop in)... but hanging out with the locals and having great discussions at the local pubs*.
The general atmosphere of Europe and its' folks is something that makes me want to come back again and again... I always end up with a few new friends, and always have a bit of sadness when I leave. Great people!
*with the exception of the one Dutch prick in Amsterdam who on September 12, 2001 decided to tell me that, "you fucking facist Americans deserve everything you get".
I wanted to start throwing punches, but all I could do was throw tears.
LOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
Even Americans arent as dumb as to go to DETROIT to watch even the SUPERBOWL. that my friends is saying alot!
Since I have lived in both places almost an equal amount of time I will pass judgements.
-Scenery is amazing
-All Sorts of climates all in one country
-Western Culture, speaks English
-Best road system on this planet baby
-Awsome high volume airports
-Incredible cities with expansive downtowns unlike in Europe
-Huge retail chains with the same service across the continent
-Everything is EASY to find and getting there is easy
-Hours of business are damn convenient compared to Europe
-Police work efficiently throughout the country and are not scared by anyone.
-Great entertainment, from Florida, to Las Vegas, to Six Flags theme parks
-Integrated society that values free speech
-Entrepreneurial way of thinking, good attitude.
-Whole of USA is on one page technologically, Satellite radio everywhere, DVRs, TiVo everywhere.
-Attitude in K-12 schools is better in my opinion, more positive.
-Convenience, this is why I love America...I not only got a drive through for my food, hell ill pick some Tylenol at the drive through and do my banking there also.
-Fast pace lifestyle, yea I like it. I like to get my crap done and not take 1 hour eating breakfast.
-Shopping malls, love them.
-People earn more on average.
-Taxes are a joke compared to Europe.
-Food is better, period.
-History, this is just amazing, its like going back in time.
-My birthplace, yes..its true.
-Cell Phone service, Light YEARS ahead of USA
-Satellite TV service, LIGHT YEARS ahead of USA
-Scenery is great also, Alps, Netherlands, Central Europe forests, France.
-More relaxed social life...which leads me to:
-Drinking laws is not enforced, something that is just asinine in the USA. + you can consume at lower age.
-Some countries such as Switzerland are extremely effective in everything they do.
-Music, damn I love trance.
-Europeans are smarter in the books on average. This is just a simple fact because the society is more global and better primary education.
-No pressure on some things, slower lifestyle
-Home to the best sport ever, the footballing mecca
-The ability at least in my country to tap into the black market easier and buy expensive stuff for cheap prices.
LOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
Quoting Andreas (Reply 16): YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stuttgart, Stuttgart, Stuttgart....and if you know the situation in German football right now, you know just how incredibly hard this is to me to say that
I think me and you both know what team we support in the Bundesliga. But I must say Smolarek the Polak is kicking some serious Bundesliga ass, hes doing a good job to keep you guys inline up until our game this June
Afconcorde1 From France, joined Jan 2006, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3106 times:
Why I love Europe (Just the tip of the iceberg):
- They actually keep their buildings for more than 200 years and restore them.
- They play the "REAL" football.
- Better food (especially France where one need not have to put milk nor sugar into coffee because it is so delicious) and meal times (SIESTA!)
- Better chocolate
- Better landscapes
- Better cars (especially Audis and Sportsters).
- Better way of life ... chilled out atmosphere
- People drive on the correct side of the road.
- People speak the "real" English & French & Spanish (COUGH)
- France ... Ahhhh...Que'est-ce que je peux dire ? (What can I say?)
- They gave us our Statue of Liberty
- If it hadn't been for Europe, the land that the United States now occupies would be controlled by other lands and we wouldn't be speaking messed up versions of European languages.
- Speedos (Hey? Who doesn't love 'em?)
- Their money is now worth more than ours.
And last but certainly not least ......................
Himmelstormer From Denmark, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
I have had a personal relationship with the US since summer of 2000 where I met my girlfriend who is American. I have since been to the US 12 times and she has visited me 11 times. Later this year we are going to decide where to live. That of course means that I consider America as my second country.
Here are a few things that are great about the US:
- New York City(my girlfriend's family/my family live in the Bronx). For some reason New Yorkers get a lot of stick and are often accused of being arrogant. I have never experienced that. Besides, there is nothing wrong with being arrogant if you know what you are doing.
- Great steak - had my best steak ever in Central City, Nebraska after having visited the Strategic Air and Space museum which I highly recommend to everyone. It will absolutely blow you away.
- It's great just getting in the car and go somewhere. Unlike Danes, Americans don't think twice about a 5-hour drive. The Interstate roads are very good, reminds me of the autobahn but with severe speed restrictions. Why can't I do 100 MPH when I'm the only one on the road in Iowa. It's interesting, Ohio and Iowa reminded me a lot about Denmark. There is a stretch of road on the I-80 in eastern Ohio that looks exactly the same,
as the motorway between Vejle and Århus in Denmark.
- The scenery is amazing. I have been to 14 states and each state has an individual feel and identity which I would compare to countries in Europe. I also think a lot of Europeans don't know that states have a great deal of autonomy in very important political decisions and are sovereign entities on many issues.
- And of course the people. Apart from a few individuals(hey, they are everywhere) I have only met warm and nice people.
- Finally, Samuel Adams. A good solid beer or as they say: "America's World Class Beer".
When I am in the US my identity as a European seems to be 'come out' more. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe it's because Europe on American media is often portrayed as one place. But I do feel that the EU and US are different, not in its core values, what I would call structure, but certain social and cultural aspects have a different flavour. It is clear to see, though, that in times of uncertainty and unrest, Europe and America are one: The West, founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment: Reason, individual freedom and the rule of law.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3040 times:
Quoting Andreas (Reply 13): You went to Detroit to watch SUPERBALL...that stupid game on Sat1 Morning show?????
Oh, I just saw my mistake, of course I meant the Superbowl! Well, it was late yesterday and I suffered from the jetlag as well as from excessive alcohol consume in the past days.
Actually I am not a big fan of American football but I have to say that it was a fantastic show and I am glad that I have been there. A friend is currently working in Detroit and another friend and I decided to visit him, when we asked him what we will do on the weekend he said: "Tomorrow we'll make a daytrip to Canada and on Sunday we'll watch the Superbowl at the Ford Field". I asked where he got the tickets from and he said: "That's not important, the main thing is that we have three tickets". As I wrote, it was an awesome show and additionally I can say that I saw the Rolling Stones live on stage (my father was pretty jealous when I told him that).
Furthermore did NWA have a little overbooking problem and they had to put me and my friend into World Business Class on the AMS-DTW flight. Finally I got a confirmation that FlyingBlue Silver status can be pretty useful from time to time.
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 976 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
I maybe have a different perspective of Europe than most Americans. I grew
up in San Diego and most native Californians feel a bit detached both in a
geographical and social sense from the rest of the U.S. In a way, we kind of
pride ourselves in that regard. So for me everything does not have to be
the America First or America Is Best mentality. There are many things that I
like about my country and there are things that I don't and wish were a bit
more like Europe. Some of which are:
1. Food. Americans have butchered the art of eating. It is something that
has to be done (like putting oil or gas in a car) and not something that it is
to be enjoyed. Moreover, we put high-fructose corn syrup in almost every
product. Inject our meat and dairy with too many hormones. And prefer our
food to be prepared in a microwave. Take a food product that is made in the
U.S. and then the exact same product and brand that is made in Europe, and
you will see 2 different ingredient labels. And the sad part of this is that many
Americans are unaware or just don't seem to care about the lowering of the
food quality here. Our bread can last a week before forming mold spores!!!
2. Awareness of the world and its history. It seems that most of my European
friends have a better knowledge of U.S. History than my American friends.
3. General Exercise. We are very fat here, and are getting larger. I have always been thin and I can hardly find any pants in a 30-inch waist anymore...
that's a 75-cm waist for my friends across the Atlantic...yes I know that most
jeans in Europe are sold using the U.S. standard . I like the fact that most
Europeans walk a considerable amount each day. Americans will drive 700m
in their cars to pick-up some milk (or soda) at the store instead of walking.
4. Cell Phones. I can never hear what someone is saying on their cell phone
in Europe, even if they are sitting 2 meters away from me in a restaurant. In
America I can hear someone talking on their cell phone across the street from
me without any problem. This is very annoying and I think it's adding to rising
level of rudeness here in the States. It's all about me and you don't even
factor into my concerns.
5. Prudishness. We are very prudish here in the States in regards to sex and
the human body; but at the same time we are obsessed with. I find it very
hypocritical. Europeans seem much more accepting and tolerant of a very
natural human emotion; we tend to hide it , so to speak.
6. Children. I have often pointed out to my friends and family while on
holiday in Europe, that in public, the dogs in Germany behave better than do
the children in America. Europeans seem to take the resposibility of being a
parent more seriously than Americans. And that is a very sad picture of the
future of our country.
I know there is a lot more I could write, but these are a few things that pop up in my head the most.