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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

The school newspaper here at the University in Champaign, IL has decided to publish the cartoons.

http://www.dailyillini.com/media/pap...e&sourcedomain=www.dailyillini.com

The editor makes a valid argument as to why the cartoons should be published, it will take 60 seconds to read the article.

What do you think?


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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

I'm disappointed that major American news media have not published the cartoons for exactly the reasons stated in this op-ed piece.

In my view, our media has an obligation to provide people with all the relevant information on a given issue, and you just can't do that with this story if you're not willing to publish the cartoons. Our media should also be very wary of letting threats and intimidation limit its constitutionally guaranteed right of free speech.

After looking at the cartoons again, I'm also struck, once again, at how mild these images are. While not particularly funny, the cartoons are nowhere near as inflammatory as one might suspect from the reaction we've all seen this last week.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Have you seen Pat Oliphant today? Based on everything else we've seen so far, this should would be the first new cartoon featuring Muhammad since the originals were published. I'm very curious to see the reaction.


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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 2):
Have you seen Pat Oliphant today? Based on everything else we've seen so far, this should would be the first new cartoon featuring Muhammad since the originals were published. I'm very curious to see the reaction.

Was that published in papers or just on the net?

Gee, that dude sure is tall. It kinda reminds me of Usa...., oh nevermind.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6451 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

They are on hundreds or thousands of sites on the net. There can't be people out there who haven't seen them.

If only the artists got two cent in royalties per copy on the net, then they would be rich men.

They obviously want to open a discussion. The whole episode will be discussed by mankind for a thousand yours. Same way as why Titanic sank in 1912.

There may be a local reason for printing them instead of forwarding a link? But why half of them only?



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 3):
Was that published in papers or just on the net?

In papers. Oliphant is one of the most widely circulated political cartoonists in the country.



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
In papers. Oliphant is one of the most widely circulated political cartoonists in the country.

Thank you. I am well aware of who Oliphant is. It is quite common for syndicated artists and writers to publish work on the net that is not always carried in the print media. It happens all the time.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 6):
I am well aware of who Oliphant is.

Chill bud - wasn't talking down, just giving some background info in case you didn't know. Glad you're well read.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

I hope UI-Champaign has some rebuilding fund handy - surely someone will burn the place to the ground . . . .

I concur with the OpEd piece in that there are people in this country that are angry at the the Muslims for their actions - but these same people have never seen the drawings . . . how ridiculous. How can one make educated comment on something they've never seen???

Further - I suggest the OpEd piece is also correct by pointing out that far too many of the US media outlets have censored these drawings out of concern for hurting feelings . . . I submit to you that's bullshit . . . they did it to prevent any ramification against themselves (e.g. rioting in the streets and burning of their buildings) and to be politically correct.

I wonder - would they give the same courtesy to protestants or jews?

Not that I give a hoot one way or the other - I have pretty thick skin and I can take a joke - so publish all the cartoons you want . . . I promise not to burn your house down.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
I hope UI-Champaign has some rebuilding fund handy - surely someone will burn the place to the ground . . . .

They can't do any worse then what Steven Zumdahl their noted
Chemistry Professor once did. He almost blew up the Chemistry Building
when I was there. In an case, U of I has a huge muslim population
and there will be protests. I think its a dumb move.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 9):
In an case, U of I has a huge muslim population
and there will be protests. I think its a dumb move.

I don't. Its a cartoon.

Let me try this again...........................................its a CARTOON.  banghead 

Condemning and damning the cartoon is one thing. Burning up every country's embassy who published it is another. It is the sign of pure illiteracy and stupidity. Absolutely pathetic tragedy.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Usnsealt,

That's not the point. That's not what he SAID might happen. There can be peaceful protest, but there won't be any burning and pillaging by the student Muslim population. Did you read what the editor in chief wrote? It puts the whole thing in an excellent perspective, I would even be satisfied that these were shown to the public if I were a Muslim. You can't have public debate about something if you don't even know what it is.

PIA,

Did you read what the editor in chief wrote? Just curious. This isn't a bad decision, as far as the debate of free speech and the debate about this whole issue in the first place goes, there is no basis unless the cartoons are seen. And many people in this country haven't seen it, whether or not they are right or wrong. Are we so sensitive and so afraid that we can't publish them? I trust the student population will react accordingly to it, not violently. We will see plenty of responses in the Daily Illini.



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 10):
Let me try this again...........................................its a CARTOON.

You can bang your head all you want but this is the politically correct
society that we live in and there will be non-violent protests.
we are living in post 9/11 American and muslims will not dare
commit any crimes over this in America's heartland. Muslims who live
here do so because they don't want to live in their own countries because
they have religious fanatics. Again 99 % of Muslims are non violent.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 11):
Did you read what the editor in chief wrote?

I did and I guess I should give him credit for giving muslims credit. Meaning,
he was not afraid to publish the photos because he knew American
muslims are peacful.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 12):
You can bang your head all you want but this is the politically correct
society that we live in and there will be non-violent protests.

And I have never had a problem with these. I can think of better ways to get your political point across, but if people think they need to protest then they can.

However, you and I both know that the non-violent protests are not the ones that are the problem here. Like I said, damn and condemn the cartoon all day long, but the second violence is introduced is the second that they've lost their credibility.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 11):
Did you read what the editor in chief wrote? It puts the whole thing in an excellent perspective, I would even be satisfied that these were shown to the public if I were a Muslim. You can't have public debate about something if you don't even know what it is.

Yes, I did read it and I do think that he put it into an excellent perspective. However, PIA777 said it was a dumb idea. I disagreed. Nothing more to it than that. If people want to protest peacefully, then they can. But I don't see any need to. However, if they decide to use violence then they lose all credibility and will be dealt with.

I read the article. My post was in response to what PIA777 said.



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User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

This is the first time I've seen the cartoons. Thanks for the link. Like others have said, get over it, it was a cartoon. I think this goes to show how crazy some muslims are. How many times have people made fun of the Pope, you don't see catholics killing people, rioting, etc.

Since we're talking cartoons, here's a joke a friend sent me  Smile



Three guys -- a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden, and an
American engineer are working together one day. They come across a
lantern and a Genie pops out of it. "I will give each of you one
wish, which is three wishes total," says the Genie.
The Canadian says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son
will also be a farmer. I want the land to be forever fertile in
Canada." Pooooof! With the blink of the
Genie's eye, the land in Canada was forever made fertile for
farming. Osama bin Ladin was amazed, so he said, "I want a
wall around Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran so that no infidels,
Jews or Americans can come into our precious state."
Pooooof! Again, with the blink of the Genie's eye,
there was a huge wall around those countries. The
American engineer says, "I am very curious. Please tell me more
about this wall." The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 5000 feet
high, 500 feet thick and completely surrounds the country.
Nothing can get in or out, it's virtually impenetrable. The
American engineer says, "Fill it with water."



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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Quoting AGC525 (Reply 16):
How many times have people made fun of the Pope, you don't see catholics killing people, rioting, etc.

The pope is someone who gets replaced. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
cannot be replaced. He is the reason why Islam is a religion. Terrible
example. As for your comedy. Don't lose your day job.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1025 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
The pope is someone who gets replaced. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
cannot be replaced. He is the reason why Islam is a religion. Terrible
example

Fine. People make fun and joke about God and Jesus Christ...no difference.



American Aviation: From Kitty Hawk to the Moon in 66 years!
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 17):
The pope is someone who gets replaced. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
cannot be replaced. He is the reason why Islam is a religion. Terrible
example. As for your comedy. Don't lose your day job.

PIA777

There have been plenty of cartoons and comedies made about Jesus and the various Christian churches, just watch "Life of Brian". I wonder what will happenn if somebody makes a similar movie called "Life of Ali"? There have also been made countless cartoons about e.g. Mose and other biblical characters important to the Jews.

Your religion is not any more special than any other ideology.

Jan


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 985 times:

Let me translate this "event" for you. Semi-decent, semi-respected US university wants to raise its profile and get some nationwide attention. "Hmm, why not jump on the cartoon bandwagon. We have a rock solid "freedom of speech" argument."

It's a cheap ploy.

YOWza



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 939 times:

The remaining editorial and newspaper staff responded today officially:

***

Editorial staff breaks ranks
Issue date: 2/13/06 Section: Opinions

In the Feb. 9 edition of The Daily Illini, Acton H. Gorton, the paper's editor in chief, and Chuck Prochaska, the paper's opinions editor, made the decision to run six of the 12 anti-Islamic cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have outraged members of the Muslim community since running in a Danish newspaper.

Gorton and Prochaska made the decision they should run in this newspaper. This decision was made without the knowledge of the Editorial Board, the editorial adviser and the publisher of the paper. This decision was made by two people behind the backs of those who are being significantly affected by its fallout...

...We want to make it clear that while we do not necessarily disagree with the decision to print these cartoons, we disagree with how they were run. There was a tactful way to do this, and it is unfortunate it was not run in that manner.


http://www.dailyillini.com/media/pap...e&sourcedomain=www.dailyillini.com

***

The whole article takes about 45 seconds to read and is very good.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 916 times:

Attaboy Mr. Gorton. At least someone's not too brow-beaten into capitulating to the PC crowd.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Further - I suggest the OpEd piece is also correct by pointing out that far too many of the US media outlets have censored these drawings out of concern for hurting feelings . . . I submit to you that's bullshit . . . they did it to prevent any ramification against themselves (e.g. rioting in the streets and burning of their buildings) and to be politically correct.

Shack. Right on the money.

Quoting AGC525 (Reply 16):
Since we're talking cartoons, here's a joke a friend sent me

Three guys -- a Canadian farmer, Osama bin Laden, and an
American engineer are working together one day.

LOL! Funny- I've heard that as a Packers fan, Bears fan and Vikings fan joke too...  Smile

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 21):
...We want to make it clear that while we do not necessarily disagree with the decision to print these cartoons, we disagree with how they were run. There was a tactful way to do this, and it is unfortunate it was not run in that manner.

What a load of crap. More placating and worshipping to the PC gods...


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 896 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 21):
Editorial staff breaks ranks
Issue date: 2/13/06 Section: Opinions

Sounds like the editorial staff let an in-house fight and hard feelings spread into their publication.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 881 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 22):

What a load of crap. More placating and worshipping to the PC gods...

Did you read the article? It wasn't the fact that they printed the cartoon but rather that it was done behind their backs without their approval.



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25 Slider : Copy that. Yes, thank you for making the distinction. However, they did also apologize to the Muslim community as well. It is in terrible form, and t
26 Tbar220 : Yea, the problem now it appears it that the editor in chief of our student newspaper violated some journalistic ethics... unwritten ones at least.
27 Searpqx : So says some very obviously disgruntled peers. There's always two sides to every story, and considering they decided to make a very pointed attack, I
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