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Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

So Hugo Chavez, the self-appointed spokesman of Latin America took himself further off the deep end and stated that the UK needs to return the Falkland Islands to Argentina. When will this guy end it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...10/venzuela.chavez.reut/index.html


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

He's just a gadfly.

I'm sure no one wants this pointless can of worms opened up again.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Well, he does want to be the Mugabe of South America.

Just let him keep talking out of his arse.



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

And this coming from Fidel's stooge, imagine that. Why doesn't he sail his navy down there and try to take them? Simple; he's so full of shit his eyes are brown.

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Well, he does want to be the Mugabe of South America.

No point of comparison whatsoever


and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 1):

I'm sure no one wants this pointless can of worms opened up again

At least he says what he thinks...other Lat Am presidents shut their mouths !



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User currently offlineCamAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

I fully agree! The empire dreams, dreams, dreams...  Wink - all prestige and dreams of the past


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

Because the people of the islands want it to stay that way. Simple.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):

and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

More importantly, why does Britain need Scotland? Everyone moans about Gibraltar and the Falklands...we'd gladly give away Scotland.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Because the people of the islands want it to stay that way. Simple.

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He is just being himself; sticking his nose were it doesn't belong.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Because the people of the islands want it to stay that way. Simple.

If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

Chavez is a stooge, he should get out of other countries' conflicts and solve the big conflict he has in his own.

Cheers! wave 
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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

Really? I presume you apply the same conditions to all those in South America of Spanish descent?



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Return? How about fuck off!

Seriously, just because they are closer to Argentina than Britain doesnt give Argentina any better claim to the islands than us.

They were invaded thinking that the British didnt care enough to retake them and it would be passed off as a mildly annoying diplomatic issue, boy were they wrong. Take the hint, they are ours, the people that live there want to stay British citizens.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

So if the American Indians want the US and Canada back, the current population of the US has no say? How about the Incas and south america?

Ok then.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Really? I presume you apply the same conditions to all those in South America of Spanish descent?

Different situation. Kelpers are in "borrowed" land. While the spanish are in and acknowledge the countries existence.

Cheers! wave 
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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
So if the American Indians want the US and Canada back, the current population of the US has no say?

Really, have you read how incoherent your comparison was? And they've claimed their land for years.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
How about the Incas and south america?

Same with this one.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Return? How about fuck off!

It's a colony. And that's the same principle why the UK handed out Hong Kong to China.


Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
They were invaded thinking that the British didnt care

The British didn't until we did. Just for your sake, the "Falklanders" live of OUR national economy, not the British. They have Tierra del Fuego's sanitary support, not British.  Yeah sure

Cheers! wave 
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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
It's a colony. And that's the same principle why the UK handed out Hong Kong to China.

Try checking your facts. The UK had a lease on the New Territories which expired, making it impossible to keep the remaining territory so it was all returned.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
The British didn't until we did. Just for your sake, the "Falklanders" live of OUR national economy, not the British. They have Tierra del Fuego's sanitary support, not British.

If I recall correctly, General Galtieri and his thugs opened up an awful large can of whoopass there.

Anyone for seconds?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 14):
The UK had a lease on the New Territories which expired, making it impossible to keep the remaining territory so it was all returned.

Same with the Portugese, which is why they gave back Macau at the same time.



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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Why does Chavez tell the USA to mind their own business when he can't do the same? I smell a hypocrite!

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 14):
Try checking your facts. The UK had a lease on the New Territories which expired, making it impossible to keep the remaining territory so it was all returned.

Hong Kong was still a colony. It was on Chinese soil. The fact that they had a treaty, does not change at all that it was. Check yours.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 15):
If I recall correctly, General Galtieri and his thugs opened up an awful large can of whoopass there.

What the military did was unforgivable. The Falkands are still feeding on the Argentine economy.

As our former Foreign Relationship Minister said, "no importa cuántos años, cuántos gobiernos pasen, la Argentina NUNCA dejará de reclamar por algo que es suyo, las Malvinas"

"no matter how many years, how many governments pass through, Argentina will NEVER stop claiming for something that it's hers, the Malvinas"

Cheers! wave 
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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13213 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

MD-11Junkie, wrong, wrong and wrong again.
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants, the only permanent inhabitants, ever.
They want to remain British, end of story, it's called democracy, which often has messy outcomes.

In 1982, you'd have us allow 1800 of OUR people, come under the dubious care of a Junta with an appalling human rights record?
The humiliating failure of this desperate enterprise, led directly to the fall of the Junta, so a triple result, Islanders allowed to be who THEY want to be, a message is sent to every two bit dictator out there, the Junta themselves fall.
So despite the Argentine loss of life in this conflict, those who had killed many, many more times as many Argentines since 1976, were out of power, some to face trial later.

Empire had nothing to do with it, what ignorant rubbish, CamAir, your ambassador here frequently rails against perceived British stereotypes of Germans, if you're view is anything like a common one in Germany (I expect not), then who is using lazy stereotypes now?
Work it out Sherlock, Argentina did what it did as they thought the UK had no interest in such a far flung place, hardly the actions of a UK still 'dreaming of empire'.

Chavez is actually towing a line similar to most S.American nations, then and now.
Nothing new there then.


User currently offlineFDXMECH From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

I think they did but to no avail. You see, Argentina has a No Return policy after 30 days.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants, the only permanent inhabitants, ever.

LOL, where did you get that WRONG fact? The British EXPELLED the inhabitants of the islands in 1833. I don't know what they teach you up there, but that's PLAIN wrong.

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
you'd have us allow 1800 of OUR people, come under the dubious care of a Junta with an appalling human rights record?

No. The Kelpers would have gone back to the UK, where they belong. And NATURAL inhabitants of the Malvinas, Argentine people, would have been restored. The Junta's Human Rights record is out of the question here.

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
They want to remain British, end of story, it's called democracy, which often has messy outcomes.

Good for them, go back to the UK if you want to remain British! The Malvinas belong to ARGENTINA.



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 21):
Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants, the only permanent inhabitants, ever.

LOL, where did you get that WRONG fact? The British EXPELLED the inhabitants of the islands in 1833. I don't know what they teach you up there, but that's PLAIN wrong.

The islands were uninhabited when we took them, there is no one to give them back to, Argentina has no claim to them and Chavez should just STFU.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5010 times:
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Quoting Solarix (Reply 17):
Why does Chavez tell the USA to mind their own business when he can't do the same? I smell a hypocrite!

Because he's a moronic Demagogue, who can keep his gob shut

Just like these useless idiots:



But nothing that an uprising can't cure, either that or a missile.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

I understand that the penguin soup is delicious in the Falklands.

It goes rather well with toast and a dollop of marmite.

The penguin dulce de leche, on the other hand, is just a bad idea.


25 Post contains images MD11junkie : Sure there was people. Why is "Stanley" or whatever, called Puerto Argentino by us? Because we were there first. Agreed.
26 RichardPrice : No, Hong Kong was ceeded to Britain under the 1842 after the defeat of the Chinese government in the first opium wars. Kowloon was leased under a per
27 Post contains images Banco : Deutchland is called Germany by us. Doesn't mean it's British. I would suggest you go away and do some studying. Argentina's claim to sovereignty is
28 RichardPrice : You werent there first, you were squatting on Sovereign British territory. Oh, and you know what claims Argentina are actually basing their ownership
29 Falcon84 : Because their citizens live there, and they have repeatedly expressed theier own desire to remain part of Britian. That's reason enough. It's called
30 Miamiair : Try to take them back; Again. Round one had Margaret Thatcher; for Round two, Tony Blair is no panty waist either.
31 Post contains links and images MD11junkie : Colony. Prove this. So America is all British, Spanish, French and Portuguese then? We do, it's inside our territory. Alien nation, inside another. H
32 AeroWesty : I think you mean "health and well-being", not sanitation. Otherwise, I want a Lear jet to come collect my garbage, too!
33 Post contains images MD11junkie : That's ONE of the points. Sorry, I've had enough with that stupid attitude. They've caused enough deaths in families close to me. Your post is plain
34 Post contains images Skidmarks : Ah, the Falklands, any excuse for a punch up eh? Why the hell people can't let the islanders get on with the life they live without demanding this and
35 Falcon84 : As Pink Floyd would say: "Brezhnev took Afghanistan; and Begin took Beirut. And Galtierie took the Union Jack! And Maggie, over lunch one day, took a
36 Miamiair : You are seriously lacking a sense of humor.
37 RichardPrice : The fact that Hong Kong was a colony is not in dispute. But the Falkland Islands is not a colony, its a British Territory and not subject to local ru
38 Falcon84 : NO they didn't, but since the Falkands IS British territory, Maggie sent the Royal Navy to kick the invaders out, and that's what THE INHABITANTS ask
39 RichardPrice : The first invasion occured on the 19th March, a British warship was dispatched to remove the camp on the 25th, but it was prevented from doing so by
40 Saintsman : MD11junkie, I think British history is well documented, so the facts about the Falklands should be pretty clear to all those who wish to look. Thats b
41 L-188 : Well there is the theory that some chinese sailors may have made the west coast prior to all of the other countries listed. The choice of sanitation
42 Humberside : What right has the Venuzalen President to interfere in the future of the Falkland Islands? As far as I am concerned, the Falkland Islanders want to st
43 MD11junkie : You know, I got tired of arguing this. This is getting NOWHERE. And I simply don't want to spend my time arguing with you guys. I'm stubborn as hell a
44 Saintsman : Sometimes you have to fight for what is right. Look where pride got you. Look where what is right got us. What use is pride when it causes death and
45 RichardPrice : So what was the point of the invasion? It was unprovoked and uncalled for, thats why I say 'Stay off our Islands', because the Falklands demonstrates
46 Post contains links VC10 : The history of any area depends on who is writing it and for what reason,but the following site gives dates relevent to the island's history http://go
47 Falcon84 : Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Fine, don't change your mind. But they're Britian's. Won by both discovery, and with blood. It is thei
48 Jmc757 : Aside from the rest of the thread, what a very strange argument. Who cares what we need them for, they're ours. And just because someone decides we d
49 RootsAir : Is it true many people incriminate Chile for having provided Brits with military bases ? I'd like to know if that is true ? if yes...another damn for
50 RichardPrice : Not military bases, but Chile did provide logistical support in the region for the British taskforce.
51 Post contains images David L : OK, quite a few posts since I started typing my responses. GDB, RichardPrice, Banco, and (dark horse!) Falcon84 have made some great points. Here's my
52 MD11Engineer : Since I'm a bit older than you guys, I remember that in the 1970s, as much as Pinochet and the Argentinian Junta agreed on exterminating leftwings, t
53 RichardPrice : The claim is between the 1592 sighting of the islands by John Davis on the Desire, and the 1600 sighting of the islands by the Dutchman Sebald de Wee
54 L-188 : There is a longstanding rumor that Chile let GB paint some of their Canberra PR.9 recon aircraft in Chilean colors and they flew spy missions against
55 MDorBust : They can try and assert authority over us... but I think the current occupants might say otherwise. Kinda like the current occupants of the Falklands
56 Post contains links and images AR1300 : I think you Brits are missing some info here.Why such a big thing about a bunch of forsaken islands in the middle of nowhere?? Answer is, that it is n
57 David L : Yes, I see the details were posted while I was formulating my reply. Bottom line is that Argentina is way down the pecking order. So why would Argent
58 AR1300 : read my post.They don't want the islands per sei.They want them beacuse of the Sandwich Islands, and they want those because of Antartica. I think th
59 RichardPrice : The claim goes all the way back to 1833, besides we cant do anything on Antarctica anyway, its a protected land under international treaty. However,
60 MD11Engineer : Don't forget about the oil and natural gas fields found around the island groups, though currently Argetina and Britain are exploiting them jointly. J
61 David L : I did read it - you think the UK should give up territory to Argentina... because Argentina wants it.
62 Post contains images AR1300 : Well, that's not my problem I guess they want them just in case.Who knows what is down there.Maybe in the future they find something. Mike
63 DL021 : Yeah, but he's a gadfly that bought several boatloads of AK47s to arm his own little militias and the Colombian rebels. LOL...that's kind of gross. N
64 Dougloid : Here's a nice aviation related spin to this tale. When I was an engine mech for Garrett back around 1980, we would occasionally get a TPE331 in a crat
65 Post contains images RichardPrice : Nice story, but.... the aviation related spin to this really is the Black Buck missions against the Argentine occupied islands. A Vulcan bomber, with
66 Dougloid : Great looking airplanes too. Yes. That was a GREAT BIG can of whoopass.
67 L-188 : I've heard that story somewhere before.
68 TheSonntag : The Falkland war is over. It is like this for more than 20 years. Too many people have died in this conflict already. We don't demand the parts east o
69 RootsAir : AR1300, MD 11 Junkie. Are the veterans still camping outside of la Casa Rosada? When was in Bs.As back in June 2004 they were camping there and wouold
70 Post contains images Derico : Wow, the racism displayed here is amazing and amusing. If an Argentine said the same thing about US troops in Iraq, they would be branded as racist an
71 MDorBust : It's so stunning and amazing that I'm going to have to ask you to point it out instead of just pulling out the race card. Yeah, because that's comare
72 AerospaceFan : I don't think that an excess of nationalism is helpful, and it seems to me that Chavez is stoking a bit of that. I don't think that Chavez has any rig
73 Falcon84 : I've seen precious little racism here, my friend. What I see is political reality more than anything. When the Falklands War was going on, one of my
74 Lurch : Maybe our friend from Argentina should think about things more clearly! The UK is a full scale Nuclear Power which means it has at its disposal many v
75 Derico : No it was your total disrespect of soldiers, no matter which side, that fight in wars. And the facts are, quite a few soldiers died in both sides. Fo
76 MaverickM11 : MaverickM11 says Chavez should try a tasty glass of shut-the-hell-up
77 L-188 : Well in many regards both sides where ill equiped for service in that climate.
78 YOWza : I would love to put Chavez, Bin-Laden, Ahmedinejad, Bush, and Desmond Tutu in a small locked down room feeding them only Whisky and LSD. That would be
79 MDorBust : Tell me, is it hard to speak with you foot so dep in your mouth? I am a former soldier numb nuts. But that doesn't change the fact that any engangemn
80 CamAir : What a dangerous argument! So you justify the legacy of colonialism with: "No matter, they are ours?"
81 RichardPrice : Why not? We didnt take them from any indiginous population, they were barren and unpopulated, so why should a justification have to be made? They hav
82 TheSonntag : Ok, maybe that is the real reason for the Falkland conflict. Lets hope the 21st century will not be the century of oil wars. I think Argentina would
83 Seanp11 : I find it disturbing that they would be willing to go to war with a world power for territorial rights to part of a continent that no nation can plac
84 Falcon84 : You're right on the money there, Richard. The real reason for the war started by the Military Junta was to divert attention from the woeful economy i
85 GDB : The mad irony was that the Foreign Office were not well disposed towards the Falklands, the Islanders wishes were an annoyance to them. They wanted ri
86 Derico : Incorrect. It's ridiculous to say that. When you know more about Argentine political history, then we can talk. I don't mean this as an attack on you
87 Derico : Wrong, and wrong. There is no treaty stating Argentina has no territorial rights over Antarctica. In fact it has a so-called "Primary Rights" to clai
88 DeltaMD88 : The Falklands are the UK's, and if Chavez wants Argentina to have them then he can get his sorry ass kicked by the British if he tries to take them. T
89 Flyboy36y : Your territory extend 12NM from your shores. (UN Law of the Seas Treaty) Familes died because your government attacked the British, not the other way
90 RichardPrice : Wrong, Argentina is a signatory to the Antarctic Treaty System, in which all parties signed state that they promise to keep Antarctic pristine, unexp
91 TheSonntag : As Richard price already stated, that is wrong. There is a treaty. I think you should start learning some international law before you make such clai
92 Flyboy36y : Wow, way to repeat what I said in the post above yours....
93 Arsenal@LHR : If ever the Falklands Islanders wish to become part of Argentina, then we can start talking about handing over the Islands. Until that happens the Fal
94 RichardPrice : No need to be like that, my post added some much needed information while yours simply said 'take a look at...'. Argentina was one of the origional s
95 Derico : Well, it's a figure of speech. But your over-generalization of a nationality is vague proof or racism. You really think all people think the same in
96 RichardPrice : You can make claims all you want, thats what the treaty avoids - people ACTING on those claims. Of the 12 origional signatories, 2 reserved rights to
97 Post contains images Derico : But occupation and historical length of that occupation does. End of story. Give it up, you are just trying to call me out on the very same thing you
98 Yyz717 : Correct. End of story. I'm not so sure about that. When you look at how mismanaged, undemocratic and impoverished Argentina has been since WW2, I can
99 RichardPrice : Actually, no - historical length of occupation is only one thing that goes toward a claim in the UN of ownership. Other things such as type of occupa
100 Post contains images Derico : Gotcha... You know nothing about Argentina and Argentines. End of Story. Yes, your example is more than hypothetical.... Most people in Patagonia at o
101 Post contains images Klaus : Derico, you do sound a lot like our own german national chauvinists before 1918 and later between 1933-1945... Galtieri and his henchmen should alread
102 PPVRA : It would be un-democratic in part of the UN to discriminate between regimes. You follow the rules, and if not, you're in violation of a treaty (wars
103 Post contains images Derico : Esperanza Base is the only permament settlement in the 'continent'.... because BTW, it is not a continent but a large Island Archipelago. It has a sc
104 GDB : Drerico, did the Junta not fall in the wake of the war? Were democratic election happening the next year? If yes, then you cannot say the Falklands ad
105 Klaus : Incorrect. Antarctica is a continent!
106 Pdpsol : Actually, Flyboy36, it is highly inaccurate to refer to Argentina's military government as "your government" [meaning MD11junkie's government]. Argen
107 Derico : Argentina had one all her wars before the Falklands, there is a reason it's the world's 7th largest country. The Falklands were Argentine at one poin
108 Derico : That is a good question, but maybe a year more. Unlike the propaganda on display here by posters, Argentines are democratic people. Which is why mili
109 Klaus : Rubbish. Britain is a signatory to the Antarctic treaty as well. And we were only talking about the Falklands and recently Antarctica. Nobody in here
110 L-188 : Actually we stopped being a territory in 1959. Now being a state doesn't stop me from voting AIP during the elections, but I don't think this compari
111 Derico : Britain claims the South Shetland Islands as theirs, and those islands are clearly within the Antarctica range.
112 Klaus : "Within range"? That is a very fuzzy term; It wasn't enough to dispute ownership of the Falklands and it doesn't make the South Shetlands part of Anta
113 RichardPrice : When were they Argentine? Argentinia had a short lived (5 years) colony on them 130 years after the British claim to the Islands was put forward and
114 RichardPrice : The SSI are part of the claims of the British, Argentine and Chile governments over Antarctic territories. Britain has no legal control over the isla
115 Derico : Yes, where did I say this is not true? I only stated that at one point there was a colony there. I'm not disputing British claims to the islands. By
116 Post contains images RichardPrice : Just because Argentinia had a colony on the Falklands does not mean they belonged legally to Argentinia. Thats the part of the statement I was disput
117 David L : If any nation had colonised Antarctica before the treaty then there would be no treaty. But the treaty came first.
118 Derico : I think you are being quite disingenous trying to portray the claim as only based on one base off the coast. Argentina has many bases on the mainland
119 Derico : It was colonized before the treaty. Colonization does not mean having one billion people moving there. Denmark did not need to send 1 million danes t
120 David L : You know what I meant. If it had been significantly inhabited, it would have been too late. If the UN suddenly decided Argentina or the UK was to be
121 Post contains images RichardPrice : Yes they do, but theres currently more than 15 bases on the continent that predate the treaty and the one that you are basing the extended occupancy
122 BMIFlyer : We will never give up the Islands, period. Lee
123 Yyz717 : Per capita income and standards of living in Argentina fall well below the West, and ironically far below Spain, Italy and Germany where many of toda
124 JoeCattoli : I don't understand why humans just can't wait to start another war... Even if I can agree with the fact that you discovered the islands that were uni
125 Derico : Congrats... I wish I could have a few drinks but since I can't, have fun! This is incorrect, but if you enjoy passing lies as fact, I can't stop you,
126 Derico : Yyz, Since you dodged every single statement I put forth, I have to ask you again: Why did the several thousands of British settlers and sheep men, wh
127 Post contains images EWROwznj00 : They need it for strategic sheep purposes.
128 Post contains links Vc10 : Derico, I think you will find that there was a controversy between Argentina and Chile regarding the position of the mutual Patagonian boundary betwee
129 Lurch : The welsh are the UKs secret weapon in patagonia.
130 CamAir : I fully agree. I have been observing YYZ717 for some time, and he makes a lot of blanket statements without considering terms like cultural relativis
131 Derico : Thank you for that, but the role Great Britain played in the negotiations was rather symbolic, it had no real leverage. It is well known by many in A
132 Seanp11 : What about the United States? Canada?
133 Post contains images David L : Ah yes, the old "genitals" tactic - any excuse. The point was that the UK isn't going to hand them over just because Argentina wants them and startin
134 Pdpsol : Argentina identifies with Europe more than any other nation in the Western Hemisphere [with the possible exception of Uruguay], including the US and
135 Post contains images Derico : I think most everyone would say these two countries are part of the 'West'...   But they are less European in cultural character than Argentina. Any
136 WiLdmanVzla : I've been reading all posts... of course, as a latino, I totally agree that the Malvinas (Falklands) islands are a 100% argentinian, but I also can un
137 SkySurfer : What are the Argentinians going to do with the 'malvinas'? Just claim them and say 'oh they now belong to us'? Forget oil/gas underneath them, are you
138 Derico : Britain got whipped in the arse twice by Argentina in the 19th century... so please, enough of all this 'bravado' about 1982, it gets tired after a wh
139 Dougloid : Source? All the bravado's coming out of your side of the argument. You can't have the Falklands. That's as simple as it gets. The issue's as dead as
140 Derico : ARE SOME OF YOU MORONS??? Sorry, but my patience ran out this time. I have said repeatedly that my own opinion is that the Falklands are British. Read
141 Luisde8cd : Oh please do so. I would love if the Royal Navy could fire a tomahawk off the Venezuelan coast and put it in Chavez's mouth. To Derico, Dude if you t
142 Derico : If hypothetically speaking, a country had nukes and the means of delivery, I don't think countries would risk going to war over some stupid ice sheet
143 Luisde8cd : No one is going to fight over the Antartica... y Argentina mucho menos. So that's why I think your idea about colonizing Antartica isn't going to flo
144 Flyboy36y : Sorry, I did not mean it in a bad way. I meant that you expanded it well. It came out wrong. Try us (the world) I have been to Argentina several time
145 CamAir : Derico, you have earned my respect. I am myself a white western guy and feel ashamed how the people in my area still uphold virtues of colonialism, al
146 VC10 : Derico, Having a discussion is about trying to educate people so that you might persuade them that your argument is the correct one. Just saying it is
147 Levent : Without giving any opinion about who those islands belong to, here is a little anecdote. I was living with my parents in Bahia Blanca, Argentina when
148 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I was gonna stay outta this thread - but this just killed me. TARGET DESTROYED - Cease Fire MD . . . Yes, Derico - a Royal Pasting by the Royal Navy
149 WhiteHatter : This issue gets dusted off every now and again by people who spin a mixture of half-truths, political posturing and outright xenophobia. Bottom line i
150 Pdpsol : Derico, as I am sure you know quite well, Argentina [and Brazil] are signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty [NPT]. In 1992 Argentina con
151 Derico : PdPsol, Let's just say... I was exercising my imagination over the last two days, making extremely controversial statements, to prove ONE point in whi
152 Derico : After what you wrote in your post, this takes the cake as the king of all misplaced quotes. In what was probably the most chauvinistic post in this t
153 Klaus : Rubbish. You've been treated with soft gloves in here compared to the massive shitstorm any german or other european would be met with should he or s
154 Post contains links Derico : What dire straits?? Unemployment is lower in the province I live when in Argentina (7%), than in most of Europe. Get your act together then talk. Thi
155 Pdpsol : Argentines do not need to make excuses for others. A country and its people are respected by others based on the strength of a nation's democratic in
156 Post contains images Derico : They should respect all the people in Latin America, and anywhere in the world, my friend. People in countries that are in democratic 'troubles', sho
157 GDB : CamAir, so you think that the 1800 people, bothering no one except the macho sensibilities of a bunch of thugs running Argentina, should have been all
158 Derico : Then why oppose Argentina on every corner on the Antarctic issue? Let's remind everyone, Britain for years opposed Ushuaia, Tierra del Fuego as the h
159 Post contains images Dougloid : What racism might that be? Would it be white people discriminating against black people because of their race?Would it be black people discriminating
160 Derico : You are the one who is showing a complex, by the way your write. I can't speak for other countries in Latin America, but the indians in Argentina hav
161 Post contains images Klaus : You were accusing others of "racism". And the inferiority complex diagnosis was a quote from my earlier post.
162 Post contains images Derico : With the way you guys talk and make statements here: And then ANCFlyer at Argentina. I have never seen that done, EVER, on the A.net forums, in six ye
163 Post contains images Klaus : Derico, you're totally confused about the difference between criticism of governmental policy and racism. Some americans take criticism much harder th
164 Derico : This statement was not made about a government, but about a country's culture. Read back to post 148 and you will see the context of this remark, and
165 Post contains images AeroWesty : Have you ever laughed so hard you spit what you were drinking? That is how that smilie is usually used here.
166 Derico : So you are saying it depends on what the definition of 'spit' is... I see.
167 Post contains images Klaus : ANC was certainly teasing you, and you happily obliged by madly hopping up and down and hurling epithets at everyone. I'm relatively certain that most
168 Derico : Germany should be the first country building nukes, as far as I'm concerned. The more the merrier to counter balance those who have. Germany would hav
169 Post contains images Klaus : I think that is as telling and disqualifying a statement as it gets.
170 RichardPrice : Ok, I think over the past few posts you have just about lost all respect you gained in here with your earlier posts. Nothing that has been said in he
171 Derico : Why? Germany won't be going back to the 1930s... Either everyone has nukes, or no one has them.
172 Derico : I'm sorry you see it so, but I can tell you that you are the one not reading the threat very well. I mentioned something about a country's culture, a
173 Klaus : That is fortunately not the case and it would not make any sense either. Most of the world (and most probably most of your very own country) has move
174 Derico : So how would Germany be able to counter-attack if a nuke is dropped on Stuttgart by fundamentalists that are unhappy with the way 'muslims' are treat
175 AeroWesty : The problem with the English language is that it's separated by a few oceans, and a canal. As has been explained to you previously, the smilie was no
176 Derico : I only just now mentioned that comment, I had read it yesterday... would that seem like I care about that comment? I just used it to counter the argu
177 Klaus : Repercussions would automatically involve all of the EU and all of NATO at the very least. But what reasonable purpose would it serve to kill thousan
178 Gman94 : Derico you have gone insane. ANCFlyer posted an image of someone spitting a drink out, which is an expression of surprise and shock when you hear some
179 Derico : I agree... I'm not advocating using the nukes to retaliate, but as a deterrant. I apologize for not making that clear, but when I say 'countries shou
180 Derico : Yes, he was spitting at my statement that a certain country had a strong influence of a particular world region, something that in fact is widely kno
181 Klaus : Argentinian nukes would have been a massive waste of resources should Argentina have had them in the best of cases - and could just have led to a huge
182 Lurch : Argentina has just one big main Navy base which if I remember ritley is a pretty open taget for a Cruise Missile comming in from the sea. So if your N
183 Derico : Now you totally lost me Klaus, because I have never advocated any such thing. I would not stick around for so long if I didn't believe that I'm right
184 Post contains images Klaus : British saber-rattling isn't always fit to be taken seriously either, Lurch...!
185 YOWza : Seriously who gives a Falk about these islands anyway? YOWza
186 Klaus : You were advocating Argentina acquiring nuclear weapons, plus you were consistently claiming that the Falklands should be taken by Argentina. Now wha
187 Derico : Well the British have said time after time they whipped us in the Falklands. So why can't I say they were whipped while attempting to invade Argentina
188 Post contains images Boeing4ever : There are only two entities on earth today that can defeat the British...the United States (but it would be a hell of a match up), and the world's la
189 Derico : Obviously you don't read too well. When the Falklands have been mentioned, I have said they are British. Why don't you scroll up and read???? Again,
190 Post contains images Klaus : Well, if there's agreement about the Falklands at last, all the better!
191 Luv2fly : I think he should be more worried about getting his Country in order before speakling out on others.
192 Post contains images Klaus : You're one to talk...!
193 Derico : Klaus, I'm just using this issue, which has been beaten to death and which I don't care about, to show another bigger one: the disrespect that exists
194 Luisde8cd : Dude are you referring to Venezuela as a country or to the Venezuelan Govermment? I wouldn't say that... Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
195 Post contains images Aloges : Pelo amor de Deus he never spit at anyone or anything!!! I've read enough of ANCFlyer's posts to know he posts that smiley when he's read something t
196 Gman94 : Now what are you talking about, Washington was taken by British forces and the city was burnt, it's the reason why the Whitehouse is white because it
197 Derico : You see what I mean Luisde8cd. THIS IS exactly what I have been trying to bring out. This quote plus: Klaus, I rest my case. He insulted a country by
198 Derico : Yes I know. I meant that when Britain attempted to invade Argentina twice, they made the wrong choice.
199 Luv2fly : I'm sorry when did this become a bash the US thread! After all I never brought up Germany and WW2, now did I.
200 Post contains links and images A319XFW : http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/
201 Post contains images Aloges : You think one smiley posted as an expression of amusement means an insult to an entire nation? And you're the one complaining about arrogance? Better
202 Derico : You obviously don't get it my friend, so how can I explain it further to you. I said that Argentina had European influenced culture. He spat at that
203 YOWza : It's refreshing to see people go mental about a world issue that does not involve religion or a carton for a change. It's only a matter of time till a
204 NoUFO : No, he didn't. He merely posted a smiley to express his amusement. And your arguments are amusing - not because you fly a certain flag but rather bec
205 Post contains images Aloges : I do get it, it's just that I disagree with you. Or does everyone who disagrees just "not get it"? Let me re-quote the "offending" passage: If it was
206 Derico : And if you, NoUFO, and ANC Flyer (since I guess you link telephaticall with him and know his thoughts), had followed the thread closer, the reason th
207 A319XFW : Argentina influencing European culture or the other way around??
208 Post contains images Agill : "The smiley-controversy" haha This thread just gets better and better
209 Post contains images Derico : Rolleyes... Although the Tango did play a major part in ending the use of the Corset around the world...
210 Post contains images Aloges : Don't be ridiculous. I made perfectly clear I assumed what ANCFlyer meant to say. Or what does an if-clause mean to you? Are you trying to discuss or
211 A319XFW : Ooops, it's getting late.... I read "I said that Argentina had influenced European culture". On that note. Off to bed!
212 NoUFO : Ahem, yes I did read this thread entirely and came across your reply, but I still think it's one big gibberish. First you said than Sean dared to diff
213 Derico : Who said otherwise? Since when is all of Latin America the exact same thing? So there's no Mexican culture, Brazilian culture then? Which are known w
214 Derico : You are actually serious here?? Wow. Speechless, and in this thread as you have probably noticed, that is hard to achieve. I for one (edit), I'm wait
215 Agill : Try something that doesn't have anything swedish on another floor. If you are really nice I maybe can join a boycot of something.
216 NoUFO : Derico, you have a talent in misreading other people's posts, by setting the emphasis on things that are either irrelevant or have never been said and
217 Post contains images Aloges : Hmmm... there is someone who said the US and Canada were part of "the West" as in "they're not part of the New World, but the West". I think you migh
218 NoUFO : Yes, despise the fact that Columbus did not exactly land in the USA, the U.S. is associated as the New World. I guess this has got something to do wi
219 Post contains images Derico : I will try to find a quote where I said the US and Canada were not part of the New World, but I know I won't find it Then if it's irrelevant, why did
220 Post contains images Klaus : Sorry to rain on anybody's parade, but that icon clearly depicts "I'll have a drink!", not "spitting" at anything or anyone. It's clearly mislabeled,
221 Post contains images Aloges : Just as much as you won't find a post of mine where I said all countries in Latin America were the same. I never even implied there was a difference
222 Agill : Are you trying to miss the point? YOu were talking about what country was most "Western European". And that is USA or Canada.
223 Derico : As a gentleman I will respond to you Aloges by saying that until someone answers my far more encompassing question (see reply 214), and hundreds of y
224 Lurch : Yes President Chavez is thinking his Country is a great big Super strong Military power and he is Bigging him self up in front of the rest of Latin Am
225 Agill : I don't know how this could be proved, but if you go from the judgements of all western europeans in this thread they would say so, and I'm sure by m
226 Derico : Big difference in certain areas, yes. But those differences are just as obvious between the USA and Europe, and I have been to all three areas. So you
227 Post contains images Aloges : Which of the questions in reply 214 do you mean? A) Your first reply in this thread was #70. You asked your first question in reply 95, going by the
228 Post contains images Derico : No one has touched this one because everyone knows I am right You should work at a chip factory, your splicing and splitting hairs ability is commend
229 Post contains images Lurch : Maybe this is why he gets so into these posts thinking there are hundreds of us out here while there are only 60 of us. I am quite happy to sit and wa
230 Post contains images Klaus : This is an equal-opportunity-insult forum for everyone. Nobody gets special treatment here, not even Argentina.
231 Derico : All I see her is criticism and insult, and when a positive thread is posted, and I have seen this happened several times, more than one poster will g
232 Post contains images Aloges : right off the money there I'll have a go. It's his opinion and I guess he's dead serious about it. You can post anything that happens to be your opin
233 NoUFO : He, why do you say Argentinia's the only western country in the New World, when in fact Chavez is not from Argentinia?
234 Pdpsol : This is completely incorrect. The term "New World" refers to the ENTIRE western Hemisphere, from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego. The world does NOT exclu
235 NoUFO : That wasn't what I said, but I really think that due to the emigration (not colonisation), most people over here think of the USA first when they hea
236 Post contains images Aloges : C'mon! Don't give Derico a heart attack! Get back in line NOW! Yes, I was trying to be funny. Don't cry for me, Argentina.
237 Derico : So let me see... if a Bangladeshi tells an American, German, French, etc: "I believe that there are severe problems with the way income is distribute
238 Klaus : Sure. And whoever posted such a lame excuse for a response will invariably be chastized for it!
239 Derico : Seriously, what a joke you people are. Now everyone here is going to tell me this comment was just 'irrelevant' and was not blatantly trying to point
240 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Argentina is a beautiful place . . . tis your warped sense of history and that very large inferiority complex you possess that caused the laughable c
241 Post contains images Aloges : Here's what I said: Don't misquote me. "Hard pressed" means "there aren't many occasions", not "there are no occasions". I take it you'll just stick
242 Derico : I will apologize in public to you for calling you a racist.
243 Post contains images Klaus : Yes, Derico, we are all evil to the core and have no other concern than making your life as miserable as (sub-)humanly possible...! Happy now?
244 Derico : ANCFlyer, If you really had read my posts, you would see my gripe has nothing to do with the Falklands, which are British, yet you harp back to them.
245 Post contains images Aloges : Let's go through it. "Most people over here think of the USA first when they hear the term 'New World' ": this is probably true. The general populati
246 Pdpsol : I do not believe there is much debate over which country someone from western Europe would find more "similar" in culture and lifestyle [especially i
247 Derico : You are mixing issues. Having been around for six years, I can tell you assuredly that the 'America' is not the USA issue has been thrown up many tim
248 Post contains links and images Aloges : Good. Then we agree to disagree. NO, NO and NO!!! NO-FLIPPIN-ONE in this thread said Argentina was evil for being selected as a hideaway by numerous
249 Post contains images Klaus : I don't "trivialize" anything, but you're clearly determined to feel insulted by everyone about everything, so who am I to stop you?
250 Post contains links NoUFO : Look Derico, in addition to Aloges' post, I'll try to explain why I think that most Germans think of the USA first when they hear somebody talking abo
251 Derico : I have seen more than enough threads on this issue to understand what people mean to imply, by the way they write it. On issue after issue, thread af
252 Derico : I'm not doubting what you are saying, when it references to Germany.
253 Pbottenb : None of this matters in relation to the topic of this thread. The Argintines couldn't take the Falklands from the Brits on the last go round and addin
254 Post contains images Aloges : Oh, so now you're the one who knows what people are thinking? Odd, you bashed me for allegedly claiming I knew what ANCFlyer thinks... You did, when
255 Derico : Certainly, I never used the pronoun 'me' nor did I say you use this tactic. Thank you for proving my point, Aloges. All people can say here is trash
256 Post contains images Falcon84 : Isn't that emotocon reserved for the Governor of Louisiana, ANC?
257 Aloges : Temperature forecast for tomorrow is +2 degrees. Positive enough?
258 Derico : Positive enough numerically wise. I have no idea what Argentina's football team has to do with this thread.
259 Aloges : No, really... wonders never cease. Let me explain: it's not entirely impossible the thread about the World Cup draw might have just a little bit to d
260 NoUFO : Don't be so condescending towards Bavarians who will see a major flooding when all the snow starts to melt.
261 Derico : Hmm... you mean that it was possibly fixed? I have no proof of that, but I don't discard the possibility entirely. Argentina did not send representat
262 Post contains links Aloges : The snow doesn't melt. Chuck Norris makes it cry until it's all gone. http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/page3.html
263 Post contains images MDorBust : I'm glad Derico has finally realized that the true purpose of A.net Non-Av is to belittle Argentina... Since we are all racists anyways....
264 AM744 : Sure, but you should know that their training, resources, etc... are limited by the military powers. It's not as if they are incompetent or incapable
265 Derico : Actually, I still think that 100%. Just read back on any thread about Argentina in non-av. If it's a negative thread, everyone joins in to chirp thei
266 MDorBust : Something must have been lost in translation here. Could you please rephrase... becase I could swear you just implied there is some UN standard again
267 Post contains images Aloges :
268 Post contains images Derico : I thought I was allowed to post my opinion... LOL. It's not like I waited a day after joining to reach this conclusion, it took three years for me to
269 Aloges : Why would anyone bother anymore... all you'd do is call them a hypocrite or an elitist anyway. You ask people to make a point even though you've show
270 Dougloid : Da Chavez Amalgamated Revolutionary Goon Squad and Circus and Hardware Store and Gas Station reminds me of a saying a friend of mine has when describ
271 Post contains images Derico : Racists, I don't think so. Elitist? Absolutely. I'm not asking anyone to convince me know, you are right it woudn't do any good. Not after three year
272 MD11Engineer : Popular misconception: There is no law against possession of Nazi propaganda, as well as any other propaganda of banned political organisations. It i
273 Post contains images Monteycarlos : Dude, I'll put this real simply for you... If you want the island back why don't you just sent your army and try get it back? Oh thats right... you d
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