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Community Colleges, Your Take  
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 949 times:

Im wondering everyones feeling on these ofter overlooked schools. They are excellent for the student who isnt sure what they want to persure, or even if you are, they offer excellent value. And offer excellent scheduleing to meet other constraints. And for a student such as my self, who slacked off for a couple terms last year they aren't worried about that, or your SAT's for that matter. They really care about the student. But some argue that their for worthless, dead-end students, dropouts, and poor(monetaryly speaking) students.

I even have had a TEACHER in my PUBLIC high school that that I was going to get nowhere in life it I put a community college on a resume, even if I went to a state school. She further continued to say that if my parents actually cared about me they would send me to a state school and that she would never send her daughter to a school such as that.

So this Community College bound student wants to know your feelings on them.


Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 942 times:

For all the reasons you list they're good options, as well as for vocational and trade programs that require certification. If your goal is a high-end professional career or a graduate degree, I wouldn't get a BA or BS at one, but they are a hell of a way to get started on the road.


"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 931 times:

I have a VERY good opinion of them. I was a not a good student in High School when I graduated back in 1972. My only real option for college was to go to a Community/County College in my home County in New Jersey. It had only been opened for 1 year, yet it had some good profs, small classes and willing to try new ideas. I spent two years there taking the core courses needed for any college degree at what was a very cheap price (about $300/semester for 'full time' tutition, fees and books! living at home with the family). I was able (due to to a state law) to transfer to Rutgers University - Newark Campus to continue over the next 3 years (commuted by car every day and work during all of my college carreer to pay for it and daily expenses) toward my eventual Bachelor's Degree in Political Science.
For many, it is a way for a cheap price to see if they may like college. My mom even took some classes at a branch of the same County college I went to and took a audit course (seniors only had to pay a small fee), and had a professor I had 30 years before! If you are interested in some careers, like police, medical techs, and others, it can give you the education to get into those careers.


User currently offlineSeanp11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 924 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
I even have had a TEACHER in my PUBLIC high school that that I was going to get nowhere in life it I put a community college on a resume, even if I went to a state school. She further continued to say that if my parents actually cared about me they would send me to a state school and that she would never send her daughter to a school such as that.

Your teacher is full of shit. My father went to a community college and got an associate's degree, before going to penn state to get his bachelors. He is now a member of senior managment for the american division of a major international reinsurance company. It is ludicrous to believe that you won't get anywhere with a community college on your resume. The important thing is whether or not you go on to get your bachelors after graduating.

Community college is a viable option, but it is also not for all. I, personally, am glad I am going to a 4 year college. But I am also majoring in a science, and am planning on going to grad school, so it is a little bit different from just having ambitions of getting a bachelor's and going into the job market.


User currently offlineAmericanMD80 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 924 times:

I am graduating from a community college in May, with my A.S. in Advertising/Commercial Art.

I think a community college is a great way to start, it makes sense financially.

I am transfering to a four-year state school in September to get my Bachelor's in Graphic Design.

I think that it was a good choice and I would recommend a community college to anyone. Yeah, there are a lot of kids there that shouldn't be (lack of work ethic, immature) but you will find a good mix of people in the schools, all with one goal, to become successful.

> Joey
americanmd80



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User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 918 times:

Sounds like your high school teacher doesn't really understand the point of community colleges, unless the those in your area are particularly bad.

Here in California, the community colleges serve several roles. For those of us who didn't study as hard as we should have in high school, the community colleges can be a good place to get our act together so we're ready for a four-year university (after my stint at one, I transferred to a private university, graduated with top honors, went on to graduate school, and I now teach at a state university). Community colleges also serve returning adult students and career-changers, which means that some of your peers will bring a lot of work and life experience to their studies. Finally, the California community colleges are also covering a lot of overload as some of our state universities (in particular the UC system, which is the hardest to get into), have been deluged with more qualified applicants than they have room for. What's been happening is that some students will get a sort of deferred acceptance, and they have to complete their first year or two at a community college. Since most general education courses and many of those in academic majors count for full credit at the transfer institution (this is negotiated between the schools as part of their articulation agreements), they're designed to be just as good as the ones at the four-year school.

Oh yeah... one more thing: At community colleges, faculty are generally fully-qualified in their subject areas, and most come with degrees that are right up there with the people who teach at four-year schools. At a state university, much of the lower-division classes are taught by graduate students who may only have completed a bachelor's degree in the subject.

Oops... I'm rambling. But I hope this helps.
-Leanne


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 913 times:

Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 5):
Sounds like your high school teacher doesn't really understand the point of community colleges, unless the those in your area are particularly bad.

Well she really is just a stuck up c**t but w/e. Our CC's are actually very good, they are all accrediated but multiple organizations. But I share the same opinion as most of you. I only plan to go for a year or so, then transfer onto a state ot private school.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineSeanp11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 906 times:

Quoting Saxdiva (Reply 5):
At a state university, much of the lower-division classes are taught by graduate students who may only have completed a bachelor's degree in the subject.

Not at my school, and it's one of the largest state schools in PA. At my school, grad students only lead labs and recitations.


User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 902 times:

I hire people all the time who have attended community colleges.

I think community colleges are great for two reasons:

1. they allow people who, for whatever reason, do not qualify for admission to big name universities a chance to study for a couple of years and have a chance to transfer to a well known college

2. they offer education beyond high school for people who may not need or want a 4 year degree or the 4 year 'college' experience. For instance, maybe your personal circumstances mean you can't leave your hometown for a while. Maybe you just want a few computer skills or whatever - community college is great for this.

I'm all for INCREASING community college funding and for building more of them. They are a great start to my goal of increasing the educational requirement for American kids.

My proposal is that after high school you must either a. do a year of public service (drive ambulances, build roads, go to the military), b. do a year of community college, or c. go to a regular 4 year university...and yes I think it should more or less be free.

Cairo


User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 874 times:

Going to a community college was, and will always be, the best thing I EVER did. Granted, I was no A+ student, that is not the reason I went to a local school. When I graduated, I honestly just didn't want to move away from home. I didn't have a goal, I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. The funny thing is that most people don't know what they want to do with the rest of their lives when they graduate, but they still go on to spend $30000 per year to find out! To me, that made no sense. So, I found a great community college that requires a full application process and minimum GPA to, as horrible as it sounds, cut down on some of the typical jerks at many CC's. I took all the same classes as my friends in my first year/year 1/2, for a fraction of the price while working part-time in a field that interested me. This interest then lead me to realize I wanted to pursue business in my career future. Thus, I declared my major and in September, I'm transferring to a 4 year school with my associates behind me. I am also receiving 33% off tuition because of my grades and a guaranteed seat at most MA state schools! I have a great GPA and I got it only because of my personal goals that I honestly would never have recognized anywhere else. I have grown so much in a positive way from this and I know I probably would have flunked out at any other school.

More and more kids are going to these schools around here; just please don't go to a 4 year school because its "just the thing to do." This is YOUR life. Also, look around at local schools, even if you have to drive a little bit. My school is so selective, that its students produce fantastic results, meaning more funding, meaning better teachers, great reputation as a college...etc.

Best of luck to you buddy.

Mike


User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 868 times:

I spent 1 1/2 years in a "real" university until I got kicked out for low grades. So I moved home and hit the local junior college to get some basic classes out of the way. A couple of semesters there and I matured enough to head back to a real school and get my degree. Got my BA in Circus Arts from Barnum & Bailey University.  biggrin 

User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 866 times:

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 7):
Not at my school, and it's one of the largest state schools in PA. At my school, grad students only lead labs and recitations.

My bad here--I really should clarify this to specify that this is very often the case at universities with a research emphasis and especially those with PhD programs. My point was that, ironically, the most prestigious universities can be the worst places to be a lower-division undergraduate.

Thanks for pointing that out,  bigthumbsup 
Leanne


User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 866 times:

I attenended a community college for my freshman year so I could get as many core classes out as possible.

I then went on to a 22,000+ student university.

I had more personal attention and smaller classes at the community college. I'd even bet the classes were better there, too.


User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 860 times:

The Positives and Negatives of Community Colleges

(+)

1. More choices of curriculum if your not sure what to major in.

2. Cheaper per unit to attend. Knock out your basic requirements for a B.S.

3. Somewhat less structured than a Univ. Faculty credential requirements can be minimal (depending on municipality). Serious students can typically achieve 4.0's easier than at a U., especially with a "Prof" who is teaching part time.

4. You're only as good as your last transcript. Who cares if you went to Gabarkowitz Community College. When you graduate from a University respected in your field of choice, who knows which Community College you attended. It's only a stepping stone.

(-)

1. Requires more self discipline. Distraction is everywhere. Many of your "peers" are there only because their parents won't charge them rent. You'll be tempted to slide around with your white hoodlum friends.


2. Faculty is often part time. Don't expect your "Profs" to educate you. Take responsibility to learn it yourself and don't blame the teacher. Here's the text, the syllabus, learn it. Yeah you're paying them but that's the game . Play it , get an A, knock out some units and move on.

3. Check out which units are transferable to a U. of your choice. Many are not.

4. Expect to get shafted at the book store.


Other than that, I dunno.



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineSeanp11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 856 times:

Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 13):
4. Expect to get shafted at the book store.

That's true at a university too....


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29800 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 13):
2. Faculty is often part time. Don't expect your "Profs" to educate you. Take responsibility to learn it yourself and don't blame the teacher. Here's the text, the syllabus, learn it. Yeah you're paying them but that's the game . Play it , get an A, knock out some units and move on.

Actually I think "Part Time" faculty can be a big advantage, particularly if they are working the in the field they are teaching. They will be more knowledgeable of the subject then some prof who went from student direct to teaching. They know theory not practice.

Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 13):
3. Check out which units are transferable to a U. of your choice. Many are not.

That is the reason that you need to check out the policy at any school you would want to transfer to.

Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 13):
4. Expect to get shafted at the book store.

I don't think that is limited to just community colleges



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User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 852 times:

Quoting Seanp11 (Reply 14):
That's true at a university too....

 rotfl 

Yeah...true.
It just seems like the JC's treat it more as a profit center than a resource. Less likely they'll re-use a textbook.

The only good thing about it is being able to buy software at student prices.



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 849 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
Actually I think "Part Time" faculty can be a big advantage, particularly if they are working the in the field they are teaching.

Very true. I've had this type of Prof, as I say," PT". You're right, he was one of the best Profs I had. Told us the truth about real working world. It just seemed that there were many who were there for extra income and were burned out or spent the class time takling about themselves.

The JC near me does not require a credential to teach part time.



474218, Carl, You will be missed.
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