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White Americans And Crystal Meth  
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

With respect to AerospaceFan's hourly post of new topics/subjects, I wonder how this king-size epidemic of a target was overlooked? It's known that whites are the biggest abusers of methamphetamines. But why are there no statistics as to 'how widespreads the problem is in terms of white usages versus other ethnic demographics? Why does this drug appeal to mostly whites anyway. Millions are pissing away their lives over this. Lately, there's been a slew of specials ( I saw the HBO special--and Frontline's coming up this week) are airing about this 'epidemic. And from what I've seen. it's no longer just Rural/heartland America caught up into this.

PS I don't suspect any crystal-meth users to be scanning A.net, therefore nor do I expect any to contribute.


BN747

[Edited 2006-02-13 01:32:25]


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20677 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
With respect to AerospaceFan's hourly post of new topics/subjects,

 rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Why does this drug appeal to mostly whites anyway.

:: hide prescription bottle of Dexedrine spansules ::

Hmm, good question! They sure are yummy.



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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

ahhhhhh crack for crackers. My uninformed guess as to the hillbilly appeal is where its cooked up. You don't need connections. you don't need illiegal substances. All you need is someplace out of the way that cops aren't likely to come by. Meth is the new moonshine. And burnt umbre is te new black. You can take that to the bank (but he are very unlikely to give you anything for it).


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
With respect to AerospaceFan's hourly post of new topics/subjects

 rotfl  Nailed him!

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
I wonder how this king-size epidemic of a target was overlooked? It's known that whites are the biggest abusers of methamphetamines. But why are there no statistics as to 'how widespreads the problem is in terms of white usages versus other ethnic demographics?

Good question, but what is your point? Are you upset that the black community isn't amply sharing in this tragedy?  sarcastic  My guess is that you're comparing it to the highlighting of the disproportionate increase in HIV infection rates w/in the black community. Would you have proffered that the trend not be highlighted, and the fact that relatively more black men are becoming infected be ignored and the trend allowed to continue unchecked?

As for the popularity - the stuff is insidious. Between the physical euphoria and the horrific low you get from the drug, a physiological and psychological addiction develops almost immediately. Even first time users will do just about anything to maintain the 'high'. Meth started as popular drug for bikers and truckers - folks that wanted to be up and alert for long stretches. It migrated from there into the party crowds, and actually has only recently become a 'rural' problem. It's moved into the country because that is the safest place to produce it.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):

Good question, but what is your point? Are you upset that the black community isn't amply sharing in this tragedy? sarcastic My guess is that you're comparing it to the highlighting of the disproportionate increase in HIV infection rates w/in the black community. Would you have proffered that the trend not be highlighted, and the fact that relatively more black men are becoming infected be ignored and the trend allowed to continue unchecked?

...but what is your point?

My point (question) is right there... see the term 'statistics..'

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
I wonder how this king-size epidemic of a target was overlooked? It's known that whites are the biggest abusers of methamphetamines. But why are there no statistics as to 'how widespreads the problem is in terms of white usages versus other ethnic demographics?

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 4):
My point (question) is right there... see the term 'statistics..'

No, your question was about statistics, and I said, it's a good question. But I'm curious as to your purpose in raising the question? My guess, as I said, is that you're trying to make (an invalid) comparison with the HIV stats.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
No, your question was about statistics, and I said, it's a good question. But I'm curious as to your purpose in raising the question? My guess, as I said, is that you're trying to make (an invalid) comparison with the HIV stats.

There is no comparison... but the HIV stats to appear thoroughly detailed.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 6):
but the HIV stats to appear thoroughly detailed.

That they do, and like I said, I don't know why. Most Meth statistics seem to be organized around age (since it's impacting youth heavily) and locale, vs. race. Perhaps no one has noticed any significant variations by race (as compared to the population as a whole), perhaps they're just overwhelmed, and perhaps they just haven't gotten there yet.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
That they do, and like I said, I don't know why. Most Meth statistics seem to be organized around age (since it's impacting youth heavily) and locale, vs. race. Perhaps no one has noticed any significant variations by race (as compared to the population as a whole), perhaps they're just overwhelmed, and perhaps they just haven't gotten there yet

Yes, you are right, stats about age are everywhere! And thanks for taking a stab at it... but I think the 'stats' computer at the DEA or where ever, is like your computer at home, but probably much faster... and mostly likely able to answer the question instantaneously.

I'd like to just want to know what is the estimate of whites hooked on the stuff.

BN747

[Edited 2006-02-13 03:12:16]


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 8):
Yes, you are right, stats about age are everywhere! And thanks for taking a stab at it... but I think the 'stats' computer at the DEA or where ever, is like your computer at home, but probably much faster... and mostly likely able to answer the question instantaneously.

I'd like to just want to know what is the estimate of whites hooked on the stuff.

According to SAMHSA:

The highest rates of past year methamphetamine use were found among Native Hawaiians or other Pacific Islanders (2.2 percent), American Indians or Alaska Natives (1.7 percent) and persons reporting two or more races (1.9 percent)

Past year methamphetamine use among whites (0.7 percent) and Hispanics (0.5 percent) was higher than among blacks (0.1 percent) or Asians (0.2 percent)


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 9):
According to SAMHSA:

The highest rates of past year methamphetamine use were found among Native Hawaiians or other Pacific Islanders (2.2 percent), American Indians or Alaska Natives (1.7 percent) and persons reporting two or more races (1.9 percent)

Past year methamphetamine use among whites (0.7 percent) and Hispanics (0.5 percent) was higher than among blacks (0.1 percent) or Asians (0.2 percent)

Thanks for the numbers Halls... that's roughly 7 million users, I wonder about the accuracy. I mean the sheer number of pothead's gotta be twice to 3 times that!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 9):
The highest rates of past year methamphetamine use were found among Native Hawaiians or other Pacific Islanders (2.2 percent), American Indians or Alaska Natives (1.7 percent) and persons reporting two or more races (1.9 percent)

Thanks for digging those up. I work with Hawiians fighting addiction, and I knew the numbers where high, just didn't realize how much higher. It really is a problem here, afflicting huge swaths of almost every island.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 11):
Thanks for digging those up. I work with Hawiians fighting addiction, and I knew the numbers where high, just didn't realize how much higher. It really is a problem here, afflicting huge swaths of almost every island.

All I can say to that is.... WOW! How Hawaii has changed!

BN747



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
But I'm curious as to your purpose in raising the question?

How come you aren't so "curious" when other topics are raised about popblems that effect other ethinic groups?
This is the first time I've seen you so "curious" about a topic.



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User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 10):
Thanks for the numbers Halls... that's roughly 7 million users, I wonder about the accuracy. I mean the sheer number of pothead's gotta be twice to 3 times that!

I'm gonna say potheads are probably easily ten times that number. However, marijuana is not a devastating addictive drug.  relieved   cloudnine 


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 9):
According to SAMHSA:

The highest rates of past year methamphetamine use were found among Native Hawaiians or other Pacific Islanders (2.2 percent), American Indians or Alaska Natives (1.7 percent) and persons reporting two or more races (1.9 percent)

Past year methamphetamine use among whites (0.7 percent) and Hispanics (0.5 percent) was higher than among blacks (0.1 percent) or Asians (0.2 percent)

I said that's approx. 7 million users, I'm not sure about that.


http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/public.cfm

In 2002, an estimated 19.5 million Americans, or 8.3 percent of the population aged 12 or older, were current illicit drug users. Current drug use means use of an illicit drug during the month prior to the survey interview.

Now that's inclusive of pot,cocaine,heroin, crack, meth (and it's variants), etc...

And like the gov't, as usual, off by all things of measurements..this has gotta be WAAAAaaaayyyyy off the mark! Or a critically,

Because I'm sure California easily has 5 million of it's residents that can fall into that collective categorization. Add in the Rush Limbaugh type druggies and that number shoots thru the roof!

Although we're the most populous state, Crystal meth is historically and is probably, the most prominent drug of choice among rural demographics.

Of nearly 300 million Americans, it's hard for me to believe that roughly 8% is dabbling in illicit use. Let's say there's a 100 million teens in the US.. I'd have to say that easily, 30 million of those are screwing around (continuously) with some shit they shouldn't be... YES, I'm saying one THIRD..and I'm being generous!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 15):
YES, I'm saying one THIRD..and I'm being generous!

At my high school (ten years ago) I would say one third DABBLED. Maybe about 20% were regular users. Nevertheless, people don't admit this stuff on surveys, and I would venture to say that one third of Americans (age 14 and up) recreationally use some sort of illegal substance at least once a year.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5617 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 16):
At my high school (ten years ago) I would say one third DABBLED. Maybe about 20% were regular users. Nevertheless, people don't admit this stuff on surveys, and I would venture to say that one third of Americans (age 14 and up) recreationally use some sort of illegal substance at least once a year.

Well the scary part is, SAMHSA says about 2 million new users come aboard each year.... well.. that doesn't mean last years' quit!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
How come you aren't so "curious" when other topics are raised about popblems that effect other ethinic groups?
This is the first time I've seen you so "curious" about a topic.

Because I was wondering where he was going with this, especially in light of recent postings in the HIV/AIDS thread. I said it felt like he was making an invalid comparison with the statistical tracking thats done w/ HIV/AIDS in the Black community. He said he wasn't, and I'm cool with that. Alright with you, or do I need a note?



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 18):
I said it felt...



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 18):
Alright with you, or do I need a note?

Why are you getting so emotional?



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2002 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Why are you getting so emotional?

Not getting emotional at all, just asking if my explanation was sufficient for ya - you're the one that implied I had some ulterior motive.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 20):
you're the one that implied I had some ulterior motive.

Well considering dozens of topics are started daily at this site, can you blame me for asking why you were so "curious" about this topic?
Plus you are being very defensive too.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
Well considering dozens of topics are started daily at this site, can you blame me for asking why you were so "curious" about this topic?
Plus you are being very defensive too.

Whatever 'fly - I guess I should be flattered you're paying so much attention to what I post. For the record, I have a special interest in both HIV/AIDs and Meth addiction/treatment, both have hit very close to home for me. The topics today interested me, I felt I had something to contribute, so I did. You're welcome to read into what you will. For my part, I'm going to hit the sack - have a good one.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 22):
I guess I should be flattered you're paying so much attention to what I post.

...and you should be "flattered" that I would spend time reading your post.  Wink

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 22):
For the record, I have a special interest in both HIV/AIDs and Meth addiction/treatment, both have hit very close to home for me.

Sorry to hear about that. Both are very bad.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
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Quoting Searpqx (Reply 3):
It's moved into the country because that is the safest place to produce it.

Still unsafe as hell, many methlabs tend to blow up. Reason for doing it in rural areas is that the smell of ammonia is masked by the smell of farming. Anhydrous ammonia is used in farming, and tanks are a popular target for meth users.



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25 IAH777 : I gotta wonder who looked at a bottle of chlorine (or whatever) and thought, Y'know, if I mix it with fertilizer and cold medicine, I bet I could get
26 KaiGywer : Last summer I worked in the evidence room of a local PD, and saw first hand some of the ingredients. Brake cleaner, WD40, and other nasty stuff you'd
27 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : eehhhmmmmm, so sorry, but what are "methamphetamines" ?
28 Dougloid : One thing I'm sorry to say that we excel in here is homemade production of meth and I saw a lot of it as an assistant county attorney in a rural coun
29 KaiGywer : Yeah, that's what I felt too. I had no problems handling coke, crack, pot, extacy, but I hated handling meth. Thank god for latex gloves. We had a ba
30 Dougloid : You folks up north of us have a fair amount of do it yourselfers, do you not?
31 Post contains links BN747 : A drug with a litany of spinoffs that has taken this country by storm! Take a look at the link posted it here it offers some pics and deeper insight.
32 Post contains images Searpqx : Oh but I am. . I should have put quotes around my 'safe'. You hit it spot on, its safer from detection, simply because of the remoteness of many of t
33 Aa757first : Not exact numbers, but around 45% of the general US population has used marijuana at some point during their lives and about 50% of high school senio
34 BN747 : Now add in post high schoolers and Middle Schoolers and tell me what numbers you shake out... .. they'll soar above 30 million with ease! BN747
35 KaiGywer : Yeah, we see them from time to time. Anywhere from the trunk of a car (drove past it, read about in the newspaper the next day), hotel room (local ho
36 Halls120 : One day I was taking my mother on an errand near her home in rural northern California. We drove by a burned out mobile home, and I looked over and s
37 Post contains images AerospaceFan : 'Tain't hourly, none! It's a good question, though, about crystal meth. What is it about this epidemic that escapes mainstream notice? Ever watch Cop
38 KaiGywer : Acutally quite interesting as we were discussing this in class yesterday (Police Emergency Response Procedures), and the teacher is a sergeant in a P
39 Hole_courtney : I never post here, I usually like to read cos frankly a lot of the posts are hella interesting. That being said, I feel compelled to respond because t
40 KaiGywer : Kudos to you for being able to get out of the habit. What you said just backs up my post about it being addictive after a single use. I wish you luck
41 Searpqx : Interesting observation, especially considering some of the information in this thread. If you truly think its escaped mainstream notice I suggest yo
42 Hole_courtney : I have thought about it. When I decided to be a pilot (which, technically was when I was 2, but that doesn't really count,) the only thing I wanted t
43 BHMBAGLOCK : I may be completely off base here but I think the spread of the meth problem goes back to the mid 80's when the Hell's Angels' control of the "industr
44 BN747 : I'm duly impressed! And thank you so much for providing such deep insight...I am shocked that someone came forward. I hope now that if post again her
45 AeroWesty : Why frightening? They successfully treat narcolepsy, ADD, depression, among other things. The problem is when you use them in an abusive manner, to g
46 Hole_courtney : Yes, I had assistance. But I was incredibly lucky in how I did: I have some of the best friends in the world. They let me stay with them, to get away
47 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Hole_Courtney, congrats on beating your drug habit! And thanks for your great messages.
48 KaiGywer : Exactly. Which is why my cop professor said he is "happy" to see cocaine on the rise, and meth going down.
49 SkySurfer : North Dakota anyone????? Cheers
50 KaiGywer : OK...?
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