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Al Gore Running His Mouth In Saudi Arabia  
User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia — Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184624,00.html

First off, even if his claims are true is this stuff a former American leader should me spouting in the ME, especially these days?

"indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

Uh, didn't 19 men on overstayed visas wreak havoc here a few years ago? And I can assure Mr. Gore that these prisoners were held in much better conditions than I would be if I wound up in a Saudi prison.

Your thoughts?

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

It's an AP article on a Fox web site. I was ready to search for another source . . . but, I'll settle for AP.

With the exception of the babble about overstaying visas and this line of bull . . .
"I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."
. . . I don't think he did so terribly bad. I can't find an anyone that doesn't think overstayed Visa's and a broken immigration system isn't a problem. I can't seem to find anyone that thinks just leaving it along isn't a problem. I can't find anyone that thinks arresting and deporting someone with a worn out (or no) Visa is a problem.

He made decent points about the current Iranian Nuclear Situation and . . .

Gore complained of "endemic hyper-corruption" among Tehran's religious and political elite and asked Arabs to take a stand against Iran's nuclear program.

. . . he was correct here.

Seems relatively harmless to me.


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
He made decent points about the current Iranian Nuclear Situation

True. And I'll give him credit there.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I can't find anyone that thinks arresting and deporting someone with a worn out (or no) Visa is a problem.

Unfortunately they're out there.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Thread starter):
First off, even if his claims are true is this stuff a former American leader should me spouting in the ME, especially these days?

Such a nice guy to talk like an Al Qaeda recruiter in the country which is the source for much of the problem. Just think if he were president... Somehow I think that September 11th would not have been the only attack the US would have suffered.

One needs to remember that theirs is a different culture. They do not respect apologists or people who do not show resolve.


User currently offlineLegend500 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Somehow I think that September 11th would not have been the only attack the US would have suffered.

agreed. and god only knows how many of Saddam's terrorists or nuke missiles would have hit us by now as well.  sarcastic 

Truth is, there is no difference between how either party would stop terrorist attacks. The only difference lies in what other powers that government would declare for itself in the name of "fighting terrorism."

I'm driving at domestic spying, and a horribly inefficient, unnecessary and expensive war in Iraq, neither of which have anything to do with terrorism.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Such a nice guy to talk like an Al Qaeda recruiter

i didn't see ''take up arms against america! death to the west!'' anyone that speaks out with a difference of opinion other than wanting the bomb the fuck out of a Arab country is an Al Qaeda Recruiter, Un-Patriotic leftwing commie.

its so ironic that you live in Geneva. surely that must be a pisstake.

ive no idea why you want to spread democracy. the bullshit coming from people like you sounds like its the last thing you want.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Just think if he were president...

yeah there wouldn't be thousands of dead american soldiers and tens of thousands of dead iraqis. the horror. Bush be praised.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
They do not respect apologists or people who do not show resolve.

Nor do they care that Algore invented the internet.  Smile

What a classless prick. Stay over there Al! Don't bother coming back....sedition personified. Don't wring your hands, offer alligator tears and try to make nice with our biggest enemy. Incredible this ddin't get more play in the media. Actually, strike that. it's very believable that it got no run.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Yea, this coming from the same man that invented the internet.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Thread starter):
First off, even if his claims are true is this stuff a former American leader should me spouting in the ME, especially these days?



Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 2):
True. And I'll give him credit there.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Such a nice guy to talk like an Al Qaeda recruiter in the country which is the source for much of the problem



Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 5):
ive no idea why you want to spread democracy. the bullshit coming from people like you sounds like its the last thing you want.

 checkmark 

I find it funny that if someone goes to the Middle East and says something which as truth to it, he get lambasted by the resident "america can do no wrong, so if you say something against it, you're either a commie, a terrorist, or both" a.netters, yet other parts which suit their agenda "he's right, i agree with it, some truth to it, etc"..

pathetic.!



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 5):
yeah there wouldn't be thousands of dead american soldiers and tens of thousands of dead iraqis. the horror. Bush be praised.

Just thousands of dead Americans because Gore would have let Bin run the table with him.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineHatTrick From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Somehow I think that September 11th would not have been the only attack the US would have suffered.

Objection! Speculation!

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 4):
agreed. and god only knows how many of Saddam's terrorists or nuke missiles would have hit us by now as well.

See above...Proof please? Oh yeah! The WMD thing, mission accomplished and all that jazz...

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 7):
Yea, this coming from the same man that invented the internet.

Typical! Quote taken out of context by righties and used as an argument when they really have no argument.

See link
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
Just thousands of dead Americans because Gore would have let Bin run the table with him.

Good thing there aren't thousands of dead americans right now, eh?


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2018 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
Just thousands of dead Americans because Gore would have let Bin run the table with him.

i see. rather than bush working with the bin laden family and lulling them into a true sense of security

but as trick said, you have substituted thousands of dead americans, for thousands of dead americans. kudos, well done.


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
yet other parts which suit their agenda "he's right, i agree with it, some truth to it, etc"..

pathetic.!

Pathetic??? Hardly. I rarely see eye to eye with you but that doesn't mean I dismiss you all together. 'Pathetic' would be flaming Al Gore no matter what he says because we're not from the same camp.

And even though you quoted this:

Quoting Checkraiser (Thread starter):
First off, even if his claims are true is this stuff a former American leader should me spouting in the ME, especially these days?

you didn't really address it. I won't go as far to call him an Al-Qaeda recruiter or a commie, but why on earth would you want to stir up even more anti-American sentiment in this region? He should know better, especially considering the job he applied for a few years ago.

Quoting HatTrick (Reply 10):
Typical! Quote taken out of context by righties and used as an argument when they really have no argument.

Not just 'righties,' but the politically ignorant as well. If you must attack Al Gore's character (or lack thereof  duck  ) there are certainly other, better points to raise.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 12):
but why on earth would you want to stir up even more anti-American sentiment in this region?

he wasnt stirring it up he was apologizing for american abuse. trying to convince some arabs that all americans are not war mongering fools as some of the region may think they are. predictably the right [for right read the actual war mongering fools] will perceive this, as is evident in this thread. as being a left wing commie traitor.

''sendition! hang him! how dare he question our glorious leader! in doing so he is defaming our country which makes him a traitor!'' you have free speach, but if your left wing, dont you dare use it! or we`ll hang you for being a traitor!...


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting HatTrick (Reply 10):
Typical! Quote taken out of context by righties and used as an argument when they really have no argument.

Whhaaaaaattttt??? The media has taken something out of context???

Say it ain't so!!!!!!!


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 13):
''sendition! hang him! how dare he question our glorious leader! in doing so he is defaming our country which makes him a traitor!'' you have free speach, but if your left wing, dont you dare use it! or we`ll hang you for being a traitor!...

some of the righties sound more like North Koreans every day....


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17823 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 13):
''sendition! hang him! how dare he question our glorious leader! in doing so he is defaming our country which makes him a traitor!'' you have free speach, but if your left wing, dont you dare use it! or we`ll hang you for being a traitor!...

Who is saying that?

Quoting Checkraiser (Thread starter):
Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience

Why wasn't he this vocal and interesting (almost in a Courtney Love kinda way) when he was VP or running for Pres.??



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineSoylentgreen From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 247 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Mr. Bush created a lot more terrorirts and terrorist wannabes in the wake of 9/11; I doubt Gore could have caused such animosity if he tried.

Freedom of speech for Mr. Gore-who's got a problem with that?

PS-Word to the wise, don't accept hunting invitations from Mr. Cheney.


User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 17):
PS-Word to the wise, don't accept hunting invitations from Mr. Cheney.

A cheap shot - just like Al and the internet.

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 13):
''sendition! hang him! how dare he question our glorious leader! in doing so he is defaming our country which makes him a traitor!'' you have free speach, but if your left wing, dont you dare use it! or we`ll hang you for being a traitor!...

This has nothing to do with his speech rights. I don't think anybody is calling for his hanging. Point is, why is he apologizing for jailing persons who commited crimes? Like it or not, being in this country illegally is a crime, and these criminals were detained and treated humanely. And how can he apologize for the way we treat our prisoners in a country were human rights are a joke?


User currently offlineScott2187 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 5):
yeah there wouldn't be thousands of dead american soldiers and tens of thousands of dead iraqis. the horror. Bush be praised.

there would only be thousands of dead american civilians.


(no, this wasn't meant to praise bush)



“Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work.”
User currently offlineLegend500 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 144 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 18):
And how can he apologize for the way we treat our prisoners in a country were human rights are a joke?

Because we should be better than them, not drug down to their level.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 9):
Just thousands of dead Americans because Gore would have let Bin run the table with him.

Again....

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 4):
Truth is, there is no difference between how either party would stop terrorist attacks. The only difference lies in what other powers that government would declare for itself in the name of "fighting terrorism."

I'm driving at domestic spying, and a horribly inefficient, unnecessary and expensive war in Iraq, neither of which have anything to do with terrorism.



Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 17):
Mr. Bush created a lot more terrorirts and terrorist wannabes in the wake of 9/11; I doubt Gore could have caused such animosity if he tried.

 checkmark  Anyone care to answer that?


User currently offlineScott2187 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 20):
Because we should be better than them, not drug down to their level.

Agreed.

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 17):
Mr. Bush created a lot more terrorirts and terrorist wannabes in the wake of 9/11; I doubt Gore could have caused such animosity if he tried.

That's probably true, but I sometimes wonder how Gore would have handled the situation with 9/11...



“Pleasure in the job puts perfection in the work.”
User currently offlineCheckraiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 20):
Because we should be better than them, not drug down to their level.

 checkmark 

And since we are, what's to apologize about?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Somehow I think that September 11th would not have been the only attack the US would have suffered.

Crap. Self-justifying crap, Charles. It's nothing you or I or anyone can ever know, so why make such a stupid comment? We'll never know, so it's a moot point. I bet we wouldn't have gone into Iraq, and had that particular albatross hanging around our necks, at the same time, right next door, Iran is becoming the country to reckon with.

Quoting Legend500 (Reply 4):
agreed. and god only knows how many of Saddam's terrorists or nuke missiles would have hit us by now as well.

ROTFL. Yes, although we all know that those weapons are in Syria, or Libya, or still buried under our very noses. Uh huh.

Quoting Slider (Reply 6):
What a classless prick.

Now, now. You shouldn't take the President's name in vain. We all know Bush sucks, you don't have to go THAT far.  Wink

Quoting HatTrick (Reply 10):
Quoting Legend500 (Reply 4):
agreed. and god only knows how many of Saddam's terrorists or nuke missiles would have hit us by now as well.

See above...Proof please? Oh yeah! The WMD thing, mission accomplished and all that jazz...

(He was joking. Look at the emoticon at the end of the sencence.)


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 12):

Pathetic??? Hardly. I rarely see eye to eye with you but that doesn't mean I dismiss you all together. 'Pathetic' would be flaming Al Gore no matter what he says because we're not from the same camp.

ok..if you thought I was being rude about it, then I apologise..as it wasn't my attention to be rude...especially to anyone in particular.... Smile

but I think you catch my point......



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