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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1582 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/politics/14ohio.html

Paul Hackett, an Iraq war veteran and popular Democratic candidate in Ohio's closely watched Senate contest, said yesterday that he was dropping out of the race and leaving politics altogether as a result of pressure from party leaders.

This blubbering, blundering, dimwitted collection of fools continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Is it no wonder that they lose elections?

Here we have a breath of fresh air, a man who doesn't speak in cheesy political euphemisms, who served his country with far more valor and devotion than 90% of those who sit in Congress, who could have won against the cabal of thugs who dominate the crime-ridden cesspool that is the GOP today, and what do the nincompoop Democrats do? They try and pull the rug from underneath him. For being a different candidate, and for not bowing and scraping to the creaky, rusty Democratic political machine, that modern day political equivalent of the IBM Selectric typewriter.

Will someone put Nancy Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Dean on a longboat and send them off to Valhalla? For oarsmen I suggest Hillary Clinton and her husband, who while being smart and skilled at governance, are inherently selfish and care only for their own political futures, the future of the party be damned.

The future is bleak. We have lies, evil, corruption, hatred and ineptitude from the GOP, and stupidity, cluelessness, and personal ego drive politics from the Democrats. Its no wonder that Americans don't vote.

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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1574 times:

The time is NOW for a viable third party. Forget Nader, Libertarians, Greens, or the lot.

Find a well groomed, articulate candidate, who brings the best from BOTH parties, and run 'em.

God, if Perot, who is almost freakish, in a Gollum-ish way, can get 16 MILLION votes in 1992, imagine what a normal candidate could get...



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1560 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Is it no wonder that they lose elections?

No. Is it amazing that they can consistently lose to the GOP in its current state? Yes.

Quoting Tristarenvy (Reply 1):
Find a well groomed, articulate candidate, who brings the best from BOTH parties, and run 'em.

Good luck with that Wink.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1550 times:

They exist, but live just below the radar of the media.

I'd even vote for Steve Forbes if he ran. (Not so attractive, but smart)



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1548 times:

That's ok. Republicans just sit in front of a board of inquary and refuse to answer questions relevant to the proceedings. Oh, let's not forget the Republican heading up the board didn't think it relevant to swear in the witness.

Oh, and Bush is such a great leader, he puts morons into appointed possitions. "Brownie" did an awesome job at FEMA. Gonzalez is refusing to answer questions on the hill about wire taps and they're legality. He can't push through a Supreme Court nomination. The list goes on.

And his VP goes out shooting people on hunting trips because he doesn't know the difference between a person and a bird.

Powell left the administration, my guess would be because he knew Bush was as big of a moron as the rest of us know he is.

His press secretary can't even lie well for him. Days after he said Bush wasn't in Iraq because he was after Sadam for personal reasons, when asked why he was in Iraq, Bush's response was "Well after all, the man did try and kill my father!"

Now we're going to pull billions out of American, and send it to Iraq. Meanwhile, our children's schools will suffer. There won't be enough money to keep them running. No child left behind, eh?

I guess the easy solution to EVERYONE demanding we leave Iraq, is to pour more and more money into it. After all, America has proven over the years what a GREAT occupying army we are. Vietnam went so well, I guess Bush thought we shoudl try it again.



I look forward to NIKV69 showing what a loser he is. Fire away.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
That's ok. Republicans just sit in front of a board of inquary.........

....And they still hand the Democrats their own ass consistently. Makes you wonder.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 5):
....And they still hand the Democrats their own ass consistently. Makes you wonder.

lol. ok  Wink


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1519 times:

""The party keeps saying for me not to worry about those promises because in politics they are broken all the time," said Mr. Hackett, who plans to return to his practice as a lawyer in the Cincinnati area. "I don't work that way. My word is my bond."

There, in a nutshell, is the problem with politics today. No one wants to keep their word. I'd vote for this guy just to shake things up. I'd do it even if he wasn't a veteran....I don't like his politics, his profession (PI lawyer, if I'm not mistaken) or some of his associates, but I like and respect his honesty and integrity. That's something we could use more of, and getting a guy like that elected could have done some real good for the Democrats and Republicans alike because too many of both have been in DC for too long and have forgotten that they are there to serve us.

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Will someone put Nancy Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Dean on a longboat and send them off to Valhalla? For oarsmen I suggest Hillary Clinton and her husband, who while being smart and skilled at governance, are inherently selfish and care only for their own political futures, the future of the party be damned.

How about a simple ice floe?

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
We have lies, evil, corruption, hatred and ineptitude from the GOP, and stupidity, cluelessness, and personal ego drive politics from the Democrats.

Hey, don't forget that there are lies, evil, corruption, hatred, and ineptitude from the Democrats as well; and don't forget that the Republicans have plenty of ego and cluelessness as well.

I'd suggest we start a third party except that it would not improve the situation of stagnation and probably serve to further polarize our system of government since the extremists of both parties would split off and create more chaos. The government we have now, both parties, needs to stop and take a breath. Think through the next two years, and figure out how to get us the government we need, and not bring us government we don't need, instead of working to grab the most pork and make the other side look worse than them.

I've got my preferences, but guys like Hackett are the ones who get my votes. I voted for Ben Jones, twice....once because I knew the Republican he was challenging was crooked, and the second time because he displayed intestinal fortitude and stood for what was right instead of expedient. I did not like his politics, nor did I think he was any kind of economic genius, but he was honest and had courage in his convictions.

The Democrats made a mistake actively working against Hackett and betraying him, while suggesting he violate his own word of honor to the congressional candidates.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1514 times:

The political machine is this country is a complete mess. I'd only be happy if NO ONE voted. That would be a far stronger statement than voting for the fools on either side right now. You want to make a difference? Hit them where it hurts. Let them know they all suck. Stay at home.

User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
The political machine is this country is a complete mess. I'd only be happy if NO ONE voted. That would be a far stronger statement than voting for the fools on either side right now. You want to make a difference? Hit them where it hurts. Let them know they all suck. Stay at home.

Not too sure about that. While I do believe that if the gods had meant for us to vote they would have given us candidates, we can also try to force change on government. Start at the lower levels, the cities and counties, and work your way up. Have some strong willed, smart, progressive people work hard in the city and county governments for a term. Then move them up to the next platform, state levels. It is not going to happen overnight, but you and I and our friends and acquaintances can make a difference. We need people who will start acting, who will start trying to change government for the better instead of what we have now, which are people who love to sit around and say how everything is failing but offer no solutions and refuse to put themselves out there and try to change what is ocurring. Running for Congress is a bitch and a half; it requires a commitment by the candidate at least 3 years before the election and it means the candidate and his or her staff have little free time (this is from experience). The candidate will have to attend any club meetings, trade meetings, gatherings in the park that he or she can find; it will require scraping for money and making yourself as widely available and viewable in public as possible, i.e. attending all manner of charity and public service events. The staff needs a web/technical person, three financial people (non-fundraising), a scheduler, at least one researcher, a fundraiser, a PR person with media connections, and complete availability by all members of the campaign to any person, group, or organization that would like to speak to you. It is not an easy job, it is not a fun job, it takes up a helluva lot of time, and it mentally drains you. But if there are people willing to stick it out, if we help these people, then we can change the government for the better.

Ok, lots of optimistic pep talk stuff there, but it is true. And yes, this is exactly the reasons stated in previous posts are exactly the reasons the Democrats are continuing to lose, even against a weakened GOP.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 9):
we can also try to force change on government. Start at the lower levels, the cities and counties, and work your way up. Have some strong willed, smart, progressive people work hard in the city and county governments for a term. Then move them up to the next platform, state levels. It is not going to happen overnight, but you and I and our friends and acquaintances can make a difference. We need people who will start acting, who will start trying to change government for the better instead of what we have now, which are people who love to sit around and say how everything is failing but offer no solutions and refuse to put themselves out there and try to change what is ocurring.

While I agree in principle, I'm afraid that once they get stuck in the machine, there's only one thing to do. And that's party line. You certainly know much more first-hand about the system than do I. I guess I'm just not as optomistic that good elements can remain so in the face of a demon that forces one's hand to make questionable deals, tag riders onto unrelated bills, speak to lobbyists, etc.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
I'd only be happy if NO ONE voted.

Actually a better idea would be to show up at the polls (other nations would kill to have such a privledge), go into the booth and either write-in somebody or vote None of the above (or a blank slot); the latter could be very effective if one runs unopposed. If enough people do that, one could very well wind up with nobody or None of the above getting the majority of the votes over an actual candidate. That could send a message right there.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 10):
While I agree in principle, I'm afraid that once they get stuck in the machine, there's only one thing to do. And that's party line. You certainly know much more first-hand about the system than do I.

I agree partially with that as well. I was trying to talke about any candidate, though, especially a 3rd party. The internal pressure from party leadership is immense and it would take someone with extreme intestinal fortitude to stomach all the crap the leadership would throw at them. But for an independent candidate to win...that would have people talking and could in turn put more pressure on more candidates in the following election year. And that is the way to get the government to change. Put some external pressure on the current party structure.

There was some pretty good downward pressure from the state party even during just the exploratory run. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the future, because it is likely I'll try again at some point.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 12):
Put some external pressure on the current party structure.

Where's old H. Ross when we need him?



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 13):
Where's old H. Ross when we need him?

Just down the road here on Strait Lane  Smile

Don't think he bases his plane at this airport anymore, though.

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineTriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

Indeed.

Almost everyone I know, voted for him in 1992. A man w/little real political experience. I voted for him, because I didn't like "any of the above" from the main parties, and that he'd made Rodger Smith crazy at GM, too.

Hell, Teddy Roosevelt and the "Bull Moose" party beat the Republican's in 1912, so a third party CAN do some damage.



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39905 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
or vote None of the above

The state of Nevada has that option on their ballot and ironiclly, Harry Reid usually loses 5% of the vote to 'None of the above'.


I read this story this morning. I was shocked! This is just unbelievable!
I can see Harry Reid (friend of Harriet Miers) doing something like this but I am shocked that Charles Shumer would pull something like this!
Mike DeWine is a weak Senator but is still the incumbent and needs to lose to a strong candidate. I hope Sherrod Brown can pull it off but I have my doubts.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

I know zip about Ohio politics, but I have to admit I was dissapointed when I read this in the news this AM. I've followed the threads about Hackett here on a.net, which made me dig into him a little bit, and I liked what I saw. As everyone mentions, he seemed one of the few that might actually be able to shake up the moribund power structure. I'm really dissapointed, and if his allegations are true (and since they sound so completely typical of what to expect from the established politicians, I don't have any reason to doubt them), then it's a very sad indicator of what hope we have for any real change in the near future.

Logan, when you first started your 'Don't Vote' campaign I thought you were a nutcase (on this issue). Now I'm beginning to wonder if you don't have a point. . .



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1962 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

 cry   weeping   banghead 


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 17):
Logan, when you first started your 'Don't Vote' campaign I thought you were a nutcase (on this issue). Now I'm beginning to wonder if you don't have a point. . .

It's amazing what a chowder recipe will do to a man's opinion.  Wink

Perhaps PHLBOS has it better, though. Take the effort to get to the polls, and conciously vote for "none of the above."

Further, could you imagine if candidates starting "winning" elections 38-23 from random write-ins and talking about "mandates?"  rotfl  That'd shake DC up but good!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39905 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 17):
As everyone mentions, he seemed one of the few that might actually be able to shake up the moribund power structure. I'm really dissapointed, and if his allegations are true (and since they sound so completely typical of what to expect from the established politicians, I don't have any reason to doubt them), then it's a very sad indicator of what hope we have for any real change in the near future.

I agree with Searpqx, YIKES!!!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 20):
I agree with Searpqx, YIKES!!!

 rotfl While I'm not quiet the pinko commie you are  Wink, I actually think we agree more than we disagree, but whatever the case, glad I could add some excitement to your life!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 19):
It's amazing what a chowder recipe will do to a man's opinion.

Ahh - I see now, being a chemist you arranged those ingredients to create a mind control drug in that recipe! How deliciously evil of you!

Actually I like PHLBOS's idea as well. My only problem with either your or his scenario, no matter what we do, there will always be the hardcore whackos from both sides of the fence that will continue to vote party line. Having them determine the outcome, even more so than now, scares the hell out of me.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Good luck with that

How about a man like Paul Hackett?

Democrats are NOT pleased with this. Why should the people in power pressure and tell a man who is just as worthy as the rest of them NOT to run for office? Progressives and liberals dont' have anybody representing them anymore in office and when they throw the towel at somebody like Hackett who is genuine, it makes us even more mad.

Third party anymore? About fucking time.



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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 21):
no matter what we do, there will always be the hardcore whackos from both sides of the fence that will continue to vote party line. Having them determine the outcome, even more so than now, scares the hell out of me.

Damn straight! scared 

Anyway, as a socialist I basically live in a dream world anyway. So why can't my ideas be idealistic too?


User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Bravo to your thread Mr. Jaysit. The neocons make me ill, but the democrats are pretty sad too. The whole American system of government sucks.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
25 AerospaceFan : If Paul Hackett can do better than Pelosi, Feinstein, and the rest, then more power to him. The Democratic Party can do better than its current leade
26 MaverickM11 : I like him, which means he's waaaaay too right of the current loons running the party, and therefore is persona non grata.
27 AerospaceFan : Which raises the following connotation in my mind: I think that a hawk like JFK would be too far to the right for even the Republican Party, let alon
28 Post contains images DL021 : Sitting somewhere he hopefully can't do any harm. I liked him better when he simply helped out SF and rescued his people from Iran. Yeah, well thanks
29 Post contains images NonRevKing : And this is different than Ralph Nader, how? Like...the UK, Canada, or Australia? B
30 Halls120 : I think all of the above values can be applied equally across the board to both parties. IMO, they are two peas in a pod - both focused on one thing
31 Logan22L : The system as it stands is not to blame. It's the people. They adhere to the system. The system need a-fixin'. Good people are sucked into the machin
32 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Exactly. It too bad about Hackett, I could vote for a man like that. But, the uber-partisan political that is slowly but quite efficiently eating awa
33 S12PPL : The man is too smart to be on with Bush. The guy was smart to leave. He was stupid to take the job.
34 Slider : Exactly!! Third parties are effectively blackballed from the contest....they don't get invited to debates even though they have every Constitutional
35 Logan22L : I agreed:
36 Post contains images DL021 : Logan...you are correct when you blame our problems on ourselves. We vote the people in there and then allow ourselves to be swayed by short snippets
37 PHLBOS : The main issue w/Perot (in the 1992 race, anyway) was that, according to the polling data shortly before the DNC & RNC conventions, his standing came
38 Texdravid : Well Jaysit, even though we disagree about everything, I can agree with you about the political process in Washington. I could very easily write about
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