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United Arab Emirates Jails 11 Gays  
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Though I feel it is wrong and cruel and unusual treatment, I do have to ask, why did they go to U.A.E to do this? and why stay if you cannot live, at least close to, a normal life? I am gay and would welcome a world wide change in people's views and acceptance. And to answer my own question, I would not want to leave my home country because of my sexuality.

I live in the United States and there are closed-minded bigots here, but surely these guys should have had the sense not to hold/participate in such an event where it is illegal and such a taboo.

I guess I wasn't around during the height of civil rights fights that homosexuals have had to deal with in the U.S. and really do not know much of the history about it. Is this how the U.S. and the U.K. got their start in changing the ideas and laws of the land?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20060214/...o_po/unitedarabemiratesjails11gays

M

[Edited 2006-02-14 21:52:50]

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Thread starter):
I do have to ask, why did they go to U.A.E to do this?

It's not clear in the article where they are from, maybe they live there.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

hmmm they never mention this sort of thing in all those adverts you see for Dubai.
I'll be on my best behavoiur when I go on holiday there later in the year

Chris



Don't try to keep up with the Joneses - bring them down to your level !
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

"In November, the Emirates' Interior Ministry said it would be giving the arrested men hormone treatments to 'cure' them of their homosexuality."

:: shaking head ::

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Thread starter):
Is this how the U.S. and the U.K. got their start in changing the ideas and laws of the land?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

We are the Stonewall girls
We wear our hair in curls
We wear no underwear
We show our pubic hair
We wear our dungarees
Above our nelly knees!



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

In other news, the Emirate of Abu Dhabi sent a congratulatory letter to one Abu Mohammed al Khalili, 88, on his taking of his fourth wife, Husna, 14.

"We congratulate you on your wedding, and hope that you inculcate in your new bride a respect for our traditions," said the letter. "Marriage is a sacred tradition, and we in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, respect it fully," the letter added.

Al Khalili now has 4 wives in addition to Husna, the maximum allowed under Shariah law. They are Bibi Makhtoum, 28, Fazia, 31, and Mehrunissa, 33. Al Khalili divorced his prior wife, Noor, 45, when she experienced early menopause. He said of Husna- "she is of good stock, and shall be bred to produce many sons." Husna was not available for comment.


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Thread starter):
I feel it is wrong and cruel and unusual treatment

Yes indeed. But let me tell you this, having been born and raised in the middle east, I can tell you that the Big M.E is not the friendliest place for gays. And that's because our culture is influenced by religion. I am a Middle Eastern catholic, but I am (like most middle easterns) influenced by the Islamic culture, personally I would like to see a change because I think everyone has the right to do whatever they want. But I doubt a change will take place in the Big M.E anytime soon.

On the other hand, If these guys were in Iran, they would've been executed.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Thread starter):
not want to leave my home country because of my sexuality.

but you might go anywhere, provided you are ready to stay for a while without "your sexuality" publicly. People conducting homosexual marriages are regarded as weird and "special" by almost everybody else.


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2115 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
People conducting homosexual marriages are regarded as weird and "special" by almost everybody else.

In your tightly constricted mindset, perhaps. Fortunately not in my country!

JL



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 7):
Fortunately not in my country!

I'll second that! I am proud to call home a country where people mind their own business - as Pierre Trudeau once said "the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation" (or words to that effect). Let's just hope it stays that way.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
In other news, the Emirate of Abu Dhabi sent a congratulatory letter to one Abu Mohammed al Khalili, 88, on his taking of his fourth wife, Husna, 14.

I wonder if they had a bevy of transsexual singers and dancers at their wedding, that's seemingly popular (and legal) in the UAE, as mentioned in the last thread on this:

UAE...Not Quite That Open I Guess (by Johnboy Nov 26 2005 in Non Aviation)



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Thread starter):
guess I wasn't around during the height of civil rights fights that homosexuals have had to deal with in the U.S. and really do not know much of the history about it

Umm in my opinion the civil rights movement for gays is still going on in the U.S. unless youre talking about civil rights for blacks...which is still going on...


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
People conducting homosexual marriages are regarded as weird and "special" by almost everybody else.

I'd argue the 'almost everybody' statement, but even in places where it might be looked upon with a raised eyebrow, there is only a small number of countries where having some sort of ceremony will land you in jail, and an even smaller number where it result in medical torture or death.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
but you might go anywhere, provided you are ready to stay for a while without "your sexuality" publicly.

Aww, my favortie argument, right up there along with, "I don't mind gay people, I just don't want them to rub it in my face". Sorry folks, its not a choice, its not a decision, its a basic component of who we are. And unless you're willing to hide every aspect of your being, including your preference of mate, then I refuse too as well.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 7):
tightly constricted mindset

I do NOT have a "tightly constricted mindset" and do regard it as something which OUGHT to be normal, but suppose to be in a very very very small minority with my position. To MOST people, it is weird and abnormal. And to have a look at realities, the USA elected a president who is NOT liberal, Canada elected a government which does NOT look liberal, etc. So that your praising of your "home-country" looks a bit like wishful thinking.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting Smokescreen (Reply 8):
I am proud to call home a country where people mind their own business - as Pierre Trudeau once said "the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation" (or words to that effect). Let's just hope it stays that way.

is THAT the reason why your country sent PET's party into the political desert ?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
if they had a bevy of transsexual singers and dancers at their wedding, that's seemingly popular (and legal) in the UAE

why should it NOT be legal ? and what is so disturbing to you about it ?


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

From my experience of the ME you can't be arrested for homosexuality unless the state has witnesses. To be arrested, therefore, you must do a sex act in public or that your partner informs on you and treats it as an assault.

In Saudi, for example, it is extremly common to walk down the street holding hands with a man or with your arm wrapped round his shoulders. In that way it is a lot softer than the West. No one bats an eyelid.

There is probably more to this story than we are being told (as usual!)


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 11):
And unless you're willing to hide every aspect of your being, including your preference of mate, then I refuse too as well.

nobody expects you to hide your "preference", you just should NOT make it a big business and a big show about it. None in the UAE would have objected to their NOT hiding it.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
why should it NOT be legal ?

Never said it shouldn't.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
and what is so disturbing to you about it ?

In a culture where a government would actively drug homosexuals to turn them straight, that transsexuals are featured artists at heterosexual weddings sounds truly bizarre.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
actively drug homosexuals to turn them straight, that transsexuals are featured artists at heterosexual weddings sounds truly bizarre.

first of all, they usually do NOT drug homosexuals ..... and do NOT care much. And there therefore is nothing bizarre, as those "actors" act inside usual ways. While the "marriage" was perceived as something outside usual conventions. Therefore, to repeat it, NOT bizarre at all .


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
first of all, they usually do NOT drug homosexuals ..... and do NOT care mu

The article says that's the plan in this case. Read, read, please.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
While the "marriage" was perceived as something outside usual conventions.

The marriages I refer to are normal everyday heterosexual marriages where they use transsexuals as "entertainment".

What is it about this you don't understand?



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

So I guess when I check into the Burj Al-Arab in Dubai, I better not ask the concierge: "Where are the closest gay bars?"

UAL


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
first of all, they usually do NOT drug homosexuals ..... and do NOT care mu
--
The article says that's the plan in this case. Read, read, please.

I really DID read. But the point is that homosexuals are in general NOT treated and NOT punished in any way. It is just as in post 15 """ you can't be arrested for homosexuality unless the state has witnesses. To be arrested, therefore, you must do a sex act in public or that your partner informs on you and treats it as an assault. It is extremly common to walk down the street holding hands with a man or with your arm wrapped round his shoulders. In that way it is a lot softer than the West. No one bats an eyelid. """ THIS is the reality under normal circumstances.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
The marriages I refer to are normal everyday heterosexual marriages where they use transsexuals as "entertainment".
What is it about this you don't understand?

.
-
NO. It is YOU who does NOT understand that what you described as taking place at heterosexual marriages is totally normal and WITHIN general conventions. YOU are the one apparently finding it outrageous, while it is accepted as entertainment.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 20):
So I guess when I check into the Burj Al-Arab in Dubai, I better not ask the concierge: "Where are the closest gay bars?"

UAL

Its wherever you can find an Emirates male flight attendant. And given the rates at the Burj, I doubt you'll find one there.

 devil 


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 20):
So I guess when I check into the Burj Al-Arab in Dubai, I better not ask the concierge: "Where are the closest gay bars?"

The REAL problem will rather be the prices at the Burj-al-Arab. If you ask such a question to a hotel-concierge he will politily tell you that there are officially no such bars. Depending on .............. he will advise you where you might go - . There will be no problems for you from your asking.


25 Post contains images AeroWesty : Sometimes I truly do believe we're reading completely different links. "The treatments are used in the country, where homosexuality is illegal, in an
26 UAL747 : For $1500 USD a night they better make me a gay bar, or send up a middle eastern hottie in a speedo. UAL
27 Jaysit : Maybe one of those trannies doing double duty as an entertainer at a wedding. If you want some beautiful Lebanese youth showing off his package, I su
28 AeroWesty : Sheesh! I understand it's considered normal. In a society that criminalizes homosexuality, yes, *I* find it bizarre. I don't understand what your pro
29 Pdpsol : So, let me get this straight. Are you justifying the imprisonment of 11 UAE men for attending a social gathering? By the way, this "gay wedding party
30 ME AVN FAN : illegal by theory of course, but reality is NOT the same as theory which have been replaced by new ones in no time. Such mishaps also happen to liber
31 AeroWesty : So the men aren't being given drugs to turn them straight as the article clearly states? Again, are we reading the same link?
32 Jaysit : I wonder what these drugs are? Maybe Miller beer? All the 'mos I know have this instant allergic reaction to that stuff. But let me tell you, the hor
33 Post contains images AeroWesty : Did your keyboard give you an electric shock (as well it should have ) when you typed that?
34 Jaysit : They took a page out of Dick and George's book "How Spying on your People is Good for Them."
35 Searpqx : How were they making a 'show' about it - maybe I missed something but I doubt seriously they advertised the event in the local paper or sold tickets
36 ME AVN FAN : NO it was, according to many reports, far away from "private" but quite public they were "advised" to the police for being loud etc the country, in m
37 Post contains images AeroWesty : I wasn't expecting you to get fairy humor anyway.
38 Luv2fly : I have to agree with you, I am reading it the same as you and Westy and am having no problem understanding it.
39 ME AVN FAN : yes, those men are to get hormone treatment in an attempt to correct their leanings. But to conclude from this that there is a kind of program in the
40 Jaysit : Generally, yes. The way a nation treats its minorities is a telling example of how advanced or backward it may be. Yes, the UAE may have indoor ski s
41 Post contains links and images Nordair : There is much I could write on this thread, but I would probably be banned, so instead, just let me say this... This is my boss, Jonathan Hart, a self
42 Pdpsol : Excuse me? Is this some veiled atempt by you to denigrate homosexual behaviour? Are you in any way, shape or form implying homosexual behaviour shoul
43 Post contains links ChiGB1973 : I was talking about homosexuality being illegal? Though sodomy is still illegal in some states, especially my good ole Alabama. There was someone arr
44 Searpqx : I don't see where anybody is claiming that UAE 'traces' gays, but it's obvious that they do prosecute those they can find, and once convicted, they s
45 Pdpsol : Wrong. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that sodomy laws are unconstitutional on June 26, 2003. ALL sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional. It is pe
46 Post contains images SKYSERVICE_330 : First of all, Trudeau hasn't been in power for over 20 years and he has been dead for 6 years so why you call the Liberal party "PET's party" I don't
47 ME AVN FAN : exactly what those countries on the Peninsula by and large are NOT. They are rich, some of them like Dubai even very successful, they are (except Sau
48 ME AVN FAN : NO, there is NO such attempt at all NO, I am in favour of full equal rights NO, it is NOT "absolutely" interfering ..... -- but when it does, its con
49 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Define "Special" . . . hell, define almost everybody else. OK, define MOST people . . . . define abnormal. Where do you pick up this stuff??? Did you
50 N1120A : That idiot should learn that the only one who has any say in whether it will be a girl or a boy is him The funny thing about that is that gay men ten
51 ME AVN FAN : "special" = not in the line of the majority population = a majority of the population = not in the line of the majority population he clearly referre
52 ME AVN FAN : reading papers, listening to people
53 UK_Dispatcher : Yes, but the difference is that this is nothing to do with sexual persuasion - I'm sure the majority of these guys are straight, and even if they wer
54 Kennethsk : I feel pretty sad for gay guys in U.A.E. countries. I do understand their home culture though that being gay is not socially and/or religiouly accepta
55 Post contains images AeroWesty : What I can't understand about this is why it would be openly known in those countries (whichever they may be) that gay behavior is more open (that im
56 ME AVN FAN : you DO read it right
57 AeroWesty : Okay, this is a totally new area for me, then. So you've piqued my curiosity. Let's start with something easy ... Why do you think that there is a hi
58 ME AVN FAN : - this is not based on anything "scientific", but fact is that the "social barriers" to "doing" sex in Arab society clearly encourages "alternative"
59 AeroWesty : Would I be correct in assuming this is because men are able to take multiple wives, thus reducing the number of couples able to be formed, and that t
60 USXguy : Back to the topic, there is nothing we can really do about this. Yes, we don't agree with it. But I don't practice Islam, so I am not sure how their r
61 ME AVN FAN : no, most Arab countries, and that means 95% of the population of the Arab World, including Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, J
62 Post contains images AeroWesty : Thanks for the correction. I may come back with more questions, but I'm done for now, and thanks for your answers. I will bookmark this thread for wh
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