Bombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 805 times:
I've heard of reports of some arabs getting kicked off of flights by the pilots in the United States, simply for being arab. Does anyone have any comments about this? I personally think its really racist and unfair, and if i ever saw that happen on my flight, i would punch the pilot in the face, even though it would mean that i'd get kicked off too.
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 767 times:
It is extremely unfair and I think the reports you are hearing are exagerated somewhat.
However, human nature being what it is, I have to say I would not look favourably at an Arabic person (with steretype long beard) sitting next to me on an Aircraft. I am not racist, but given the past events a little tic in my mind would go off. It's irrational and I would chide myself for thinking such things, but fear is fear.
Hopefully once this is all sorted out and the bastions of terrorism are vanquished we may all sit back and get back to normal as possible.
Bombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 737 times:
Well this is something that has been very disturbing to me. Its sad that people are losing their rights just because a few crazed terrorists decided to crash 4 planes in the US. Granted security needs to be higher, but we shouldnt forget our rights in the process.
LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 722 times:
Muslims believe, by their "bible", that Allah is their only god, and any others who do not believe in Allah are to be punished by death. Ofcourse, you're just a typical American/Canadian figure. You think that unless it involves America or Canada, then it doesn't matter. What about the last year when my countrymen, and believe or not, one of my friends that was killed in a bomb blast by some Muslim palestinian who thought that because Jews dont believe in Allah that they are bad. What about the 20 teenagers killed on the Tel Aviv beach? What about the families of 6 that were killed while eating Pizza in Jerusalem? And even today, what about those 3 people killed in Afula, Israel when a Palestinian started firing freely near the central bus station.
Bombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 721 times:
Well what about the christians that go around bombing abortion clinics? or the extremist christian groups that are in america? Shut the hell up! Chritians would be extremists too if they followed the bible literally as the Muslim terrorists followed the Qu'ran (sp) literally. Every religion has its own extremists, but terrorists can be anybody, and everybody should be treated the same way. That way if a pilot was scared of flying then he could BOOT EVERYONE OFF THE PLANE!
Bombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 712 times:
You have a lot of crap in your head. Most muslims are all really nice people, just a few crazed extremists that make them look bad. How would you like it if you were arab, and everyone suspected you were a terrorist wherever you go?
Think about that one.
Bombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 708 times:
Sorry, this topic has made me very angry. But I would object to anyone being kicked off just because of their race, they are humans too, and have the right to travel to where they want to, and they've already gone through all security checks that everyone goes through, so whats the deal?
Nicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 703 times:
You're idiotic generalization of millions of peoples just by the actions of a few is stupidly blind. It's people like you who make the world the sad place it is today, your obvious lack of general knowledge is showing.
One last thing, what are you talking about? Arabs or Muslims? Because in your 2 last post you generalize both, I'm sure you didn't know that some Arabs are also Christians?
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin
Bombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 697 times:
How was anyone to know? Logan Airport has had security problems for a while, as well knives like those were allowed on planes. They didnt do anything illegal until they commendeered the aircraft. Im not saying i support terrorists, im saying you cannot boot someone off their flight just because you have suspecions. Hopefully aircraft safety will be improved in the time to come (looks like i wont ever get to see the cockpit again =( ), and the pilots should be equipped with tranquliser darts.
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 687 times:
LY772: Are you really so dumb as to believe that the Qur'an says that muslims are to kill anyone who is not muslim? Muslims aren't violent people, however, a small percentage of "extremists" may be, it doesnt mean that that's what islam teaches. It's common sense. How about jews LY772? Are you guys all peaceful people? Of course not, many jews are very violent, just as their are many violent christians, and violent muslims, does judaism teach violence? I wouldn't think so. look what is happening in the middle east. Get your facts straight before you blab about what you don't know a bit about.
"What was the last terrorist attack by an Israeli?
What was the last terrorist attack by an Arab?
Think about that one."
-Who knows, no one really knows for sure, it's all based on anger at this point. How about the oppressed palestinians in the middle east. You think that is fair? How about events such as the Qana massacre? Was it fair to slaughter all those men women and children in a refugee camp? "Think about that one."
Get your facts straight, and don't spread lies about the qur'an, have you ever read it? of course you haven't.
Nicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 685 times:
Another question, how come you call me a nazi bastard when a make a remark like the one i did up there (which was intended to be sarcasm BTW) but when you say that for Muslims when someone doesn't beleive in Allah this person will die, it is not a 'nazi bastard' remark?
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 677 times:
Well, I was just wondering in all this, who the hell is an Arab? How can you tell an Arab by looks? Do you think Arabs all look alike? I would love for someont to describe what an Arab looks like.
There are black arabs, there are white arabs, and every color in between. They don't all wear headdress. In fact, if you boot all the dark arabs off airliners, you'd still have white, blue eyed arabs sitting there right next to you.
It kills me when people talk about booting arabs off flights, for the majority of these people have no idea what they're talking about.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 675 times:
The Palestinians are NOT alone in guilt for the problems of the Middle East....Israel is just as much to blame as what the Palestinians are.
The last act of terrorism by each side?
Well, the way that I look at terrorism, the last act of terrorism by a Palestinian was a day or two ago when a Palestinian entered a Jewish settlement and killed a number of Israelis. The last act of terrorism by an Israeli would have been only a day or two before that when a number of Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli troops (they were guilty of throwing rocks....apparently an offence punishable by death without trial in Israel?).
Other acts of terrorism on either side are many, and have been raging on for many years.
Yes, the Palestinians are guilty. But Israel is not innocent. Who will ever forget the photos of the man in the West Bank (or maybe it was Gaza) crouching down next to a wall, trying to protect his son, and then only a few seconds later, that young kid was shot dead by Israeli troops. What was the father, and especially the child, guilty of?
Yes, the Israelis are guilty. But Palestine is not innocent. The Palestinians will send a suicide bomber into a pizza shop, killing several Israeli patrons. What were those people guilty of?
So, LY772, cut the crap, and admit that the Israelis are just as guilty as the Palestinians in committing atrocities. Until you are able to do that (as well as the whole nation of Israel) there will NEVER be peace in the Middle East. And the same goes for the Palestinians.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11150 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 674 times:
That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard in my entire life!
Apparently you have NO idea what you are talking about.
The Q'uran clearly states that the attack against other religions is prohibited. Also, it is prohibited to become a missionary in the Islamic religion, and it is prohibited to spread the word of Islam. The Q'uran says let everyone believe in what they believe in.
And for your information LY772, if you knew any of the basics, you would know that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam ALL believe in the SAME god.
These extremist who have commited this insane act on 9/11 have violated all the rules of Islam.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
LY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 673 times:
You want to start talking about the Palestinians?
Why are we blocking roads between cities?
Because terrorists would take that road that leads through some Jewish settlement, and they go there, and blow themselves up.
Why aren't we letting them go to work in Israel?
Palestinians workers would get on busses and some terrorist would find someway on without anyone noticing (Baggage area under the bus,etc.) and once he was in Israel, he blew himself up in some club, restaurant, bus station, etc.
Why do you hear on CNN that a few Palestinians were killed each day?
CNN refrains from saying "oh, and by the way, the reasons the Israeli soliders were shooting at them was because they were throwing rocks at soliders, and on some occasions, firing automatic weapons at them.
Why did the Jews take "Phalastina"?
People say that the Jews took land from the Palestians in 1948 when Israel got its independance. Has anyone read the bible? I'll brief you: Egypt, Slaves, Running Away, etc. etc. etc.
One last thing:
ISRAEL IS THE MOST UNDERRATED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
Israel is about the size of Deleware. A day after it's Independance, Israel was attacked by Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. Who won that war? Other wars when Israel took Sinai and Ramat Ha Golan (Golan Heights in English, I believe).
NOBODY WANTS THE PALESTIANS!
When Israel made peace with Egypt, Israel wanted to give the Gaza strip to Egypt but Egypt said no.
When Israel made peace with Jordan, Israel wanted to give the West Bank to Jordan but Jordan said no.
WHY I DONT WANT PEACE WITH PALESTINE?
Do you actually know what they want? They want about 7 million Muslims to come back to Israel (these are the people that ran away from Palestina during the Independance War). Imagine, the people that you hate the most in the world, 7 million of them would come back and live amongst them. They would come to some cities, knock on the doors and say, "I built this house, get out." I say: Palestinians. Take Gaza and the West Bank, put up a fence and shoot anyone who tries to go over it. Simple. No hassle, no problem.
25 Nicolaki: Scotty, great post, as always. Keep it up!
26 BA: Hepkat, Very good point. Syrians and Lebanese are very white and look a lot like Europeans and Americans except with generally darker hair.
27 Nicolaki: Hey LY772, Why don't you answer my question? Let me paste it again for you how come you call me a nazi bastard when a make a remark like the one i did
28 BA: Do you actually know what they want? They want about 7 million Muslims to come back to Israel (these are the people that ran away from Palestina durin
29 FSPilot747: Nicolaki and BA: Excellent points. take care, -FSPilot747
30 LY772: "How come you call me a nazi bastard when a make a remark like the one i did up there (which was intended to be sarcasm BTW) but when you say that for
31 Airmale: It seems that LY772 has been well honed in the skill of spreading biased Israeli propaganda without so much as even questioning the rubbish that hes b
32 FSPilot747: "Israel is small, but it is stronger than the bigger guys. The more you push us, the more we'll push you back" hmm...Actually, it's the U.S., which su
33 Dasa: LY772, actually, back in 1948 when the British offered to give Israel part of the land, the Israelis (then just Jews, as Israel didn't exist) took tha
34 Dasa: Also, LY722, I think you need to learn to open your mind and have tolerance for all people. Ignorance is what causes all these wars and problems in th
35 HSV: If Muslim's are not a violent group why does their religion have provisions for a jihad, or "holy war"? Just wondering....
36 BA: Dasa, Thank you for that excelent explanation regarding the land. I was about to say the same thing, but it looks like you beat me to it! Thanks again
37 BA: HSV, A Jihad is a war IN THE DEFENSE OF ISLAM. When another religion or group of people fight against Islam to take it down, then a Jihad is a retalia
38 Dasa: BA, I actually spoke to a Muslim friend of mine about Jihad. It is not actually meant to be a 'holy war', but it is supposed to be a war in your own s
39 Trvlr: Ok, it's stupid how this thread degenerated into an Israeli/Palestinian/World war. LY772, just lay off a bit, try and give an objective answer, and ot
40 HSV: War is always for something you want to defend. I don't want to get into a religious debate, but nothing can justify war. In the past some religions i
41 Mx5_boy: Wow, I come back a day later and expect my comments to be attacked by someone, and I stumble onto this? These Israel v's Palestinian stuff needs to st
42 Aviatsiya: LY772 Do you think that the Palestinians are so much pissed as the Israelis as what they are pissed at the "western" powers, over broken promises from
43 Lehpron: Bombstar, I feel the same. What has been happening is, to put it simply, inhumane. Despite human nature, we really should TRY to tolerate one another.
44 N400QX: >i would punch the pilot in the face, even though it would mean that i'd get kicked off too. You wouldn't just get kicked off, you'd be sitting in Fed