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Per His Request - Let's Argue With StuckinMAF  
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Well, over in the the Bryant Gumbel thread, StuckinMAF stated that he was looking for something to argue about:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1117219/

Fair enough; let's keep it halfway civil. Of course, avoiding the spirit of that request, with Men's figure skating on in the O-limp-pricks, I'm looking for something worthwhile.

SO:

Politics?
Guns?
Ann Coulter?

What's it gonna be then?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20562 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Wouldn't we need a worthy opponent first?


International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
Ann Coulter?

I don't think that one's gonna fly, we half-assed agreed on that one this week already.

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
Politics?

Worn kinda thin, nothing new to argue about lately.

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
Guns?

We did that one this week, too, in the "Shot Female Cop in the UK" thread.

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
with Men's figure skating on in the O-limp-pricks

Hmm. Has some potential.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

How about we just bash him randomly for previous posts and see what sets him off..I mean we have to push one of his buttons sooner rather than later.
 yes   hyper 

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Wouldn't we need a worthy opponent first?

Puuleeez! Don't make me IM Pope or Gilligan!


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20562 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 4):
Don't make me IM Pope or Gilligan!

If you're looking for a date, don't let me stop you.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 4):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Wouldn't we need a worthy opponent first?

Puuleeez! Don't make me IM Pope or Gilligan!

And that would help how?



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
If you're looking for a date, don't let me stop you.

Sooooorry, I don't swing that way. Why, are you jealous?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20562 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 7):
Why, are you jealous?

Again you confuse manners and good breeding for something else. Tsk, tsk.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2732 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

I hear his mother smelt of elder-berries and his father was a whole lot of sailors ....


" Help, help ... I'm being oppressed ... "
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

OK, enough ball-washing. How about a worthy topic?

I think that funding for the arts should not be (or have been) cut. For, despite the possible questionability of some works, that is, in fact, their very worth. Some art is a representation of a flower or of a landscape. Other art, and I put his in an important category, is criticism of the humn condition. If you hate it, fine, if you love it, fine. It makes us discuss our differences. This, in the end, is a good thing.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20562 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 9):
blah blah blah

Signed,
ANCFlyer



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
Men's figure skating on in the O-limp-pricks

Speaking of that, about what percentage of those guys do you figure are gay? I mean, the females they skate with, it would be good for them because they wouldn't feel threatened by them and might feel more....I dunno...."equal"?


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 9):
I hear his mother smelt of elder-berries and his father was a whole lot of sailors ....

That's original.  crazy 



Crye me a river
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

 yes 

I agree.. I also think those who most vocally want arts funding cancelled think nothing that their local politicians have spent billions to support their pro teams... Why punish those who would rather see cutting edge art than a football game.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
Speaking of that, about what percentage of those guys do you figure are gay?

Very few I think - the only gay skaters I can think of were singles. But yes, it probably would help that during a lift the guy was more concerned with form than trying to cop a free feel. . .  devil 



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20562 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
what percentage of those guys do you figure are gay?

You know what they say about guys fixated on gay men ...



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 10):
I think that funding for the arts should not be (or have been) cut.

There we go, that's a good one.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 10):
For, despite the possible questionability of some works, that is, in fact, their very worth.

Not if it's being financed with some of those precious $$$ you think should go for inner-city welfare programs. It would be better spent on law enforcement or better public schools, but I doubt I'll get much of an argument from that.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 10):
If you hate it, fine, if you love it, fine. It makes us discuss our differences. This, in the end, is a good thing.

It's not a love or hate thing (depending on the art form), I just fail to see the value of it. How does it make things better? A crucifix in urine.....how can that possibly be a good thing?


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
Speaking of that, about what percentage of those guys do you figure are gay?

Al of them

Signed
Straight guys



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 12):
Speaking of that, about what percentage of those guys do you figure are gay?

Not my trip, but I could really just give a rat's ass about that.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 15):
it probably would help that during a lift the guy was more concerned with form than trying to cop a free feel

Or a sniff, for that matter.  duck 


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Here's an example, maybe it's art, maybe it's not. Around here, they are quarrying stone to make these big decorative ornamental landscaping setups around highway interchanges, and some of them are out in the middle of nowhere. It's a HUGE waste of money! Some people might find them to be "purdy", but all I see when I look at them is money flushed down the damned toilet! Money that could have been better spent on the road itself!

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

But they have serverd the purpose of art...they are making you talk about them....Art is meant to stimulate discussion and thought here you are bringing hem up in a forum..

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 17):
I just fail to see the value of it. How does it make things better?

Since when has the purpose of art been to make things better, other than in some instances, aesthetically? Art has never been about universal acceptance, nor does it require that everyone 'get it'. As Logan said, one of the main goals has always been to make people examine their perceptions and thoughts.

As far the cross in urine, I don't get either, but to hold that up as an example of art is the same as holding Ann Coulter as a rational Republican. Sure she claims to be, but no one really thinks so.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 22):
As far the cross in urine, I don't get either, but to hold that up as an example of art is the same as holding Ann Coulter as a rational Republican. Sure she claims to be, but no one really thinks so.

But the problem is that the Government (ME!) shouldn't be paying for things like that! The Government does not pay Ann Coulter.

"Piss Christ is a controversial photograph by American photographer Andres Serrano. It depicts a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine. Some have suggested that the glass may also contain the artist's blood. The piece was a winner of the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art's "Awards in the Visual Arts" competition,[1] which is sponsored in part by the United States National Endowment for the Arts, which offers support and funding for projects that exhibit artistic excellence."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

"The National Endowment for the Arts is a United States federally funded program that offers support and funding for projects that exhibit artistic excellence. It was created by the U.S. Congress in 1965 as an independent agency of the federal government. Its chairman is poet Dana Gioia and has its offices in the Old Post Office in Washington, D.C.

The NEA mission is "to enrich our Nation and its diverse cultural heritage by supporting works of artistic excellence, advancing learning in the arts, and strengthening the arts in communities throughout the country."


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Endowment_for_the_Arts

Now THAT'S a crock!


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 930 times:

But who decideds what is art...you?....GWB (there someone finally tied him into this thread)....What one call art another may call junk....


Why is one art better than the other when the only difference is whether or not you like it.
GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
25 StuckinMAF : "Piss Christ" (it even pains me to type it!) was almost universally offensive and had this been a less moral and sophisticated society, I could see i
26 AeroWesty : It has long been recognized that funding public art projects actually gives far greater of a return than the expenditure (one of the reasons 1% of co
27 Logan22L : I knew Mapplethorpe (sorry,screwed up on this - see below) would come up. I found it very provacative. To be honest, I was just a bit offended at fir
28 AeroWesty : I saw the Mapplethorpe exhibition twice, once at the Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam, and once at the University Art Museum in Berkeley. In Amsterdam,
29 Greasespot : But are you talkng about the nice painting of landscapes that also got NEA funds? no because they are non-offensive..... Art is to be controverisal an
30 Post contains links StuckinMAF : Can you find a source to support that? It has been my own observation that art-oriented projects are often located in ecomically depressed areas that
31 Post contains links AeroWesty : http://www.pps.org/info/pub_art/art_funding
32 Logan22L : I hate generalize, but having been to the MOMA, the Met, and the Guggenheim in NYC, and the MOFA and Fogg museum in BOS/Cambridge, as well as the Rij
33 Post contains links StuckinMAF : "Mapplethorpe is best known for his Portfolio X series that sparked national attention because of its explicit content and the funding of the effort
34 AeroWesty : From your link: Most of his photographs were made in his studio. His most common themes were flowers, especially orchids; portraits of famous people,
35 StuckinMAF : What do you mean by that? Do you mean that Americans are less "sophisticated", or that (we?) have to have art that is more plain?
36 Post contains images StuckinMAF : No, and after reading more about him, I don't think I ever would. It's not that I am too "closed-minded" to even look at it, it's just that I'm afrai
37 Aleksandar : I agree with you that it is offensive, but I don't agree with the other part of your post simply because you're mixing to completely different and un
38 Greasespot : So what kind of art would you pay for? GS
39 AeroWesty : Well what I'm picking up from you is that because of a few pieces of "activist art" in the system, you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater,
40 Mir : You may not like it, but just as with free speech, one has to take the bad with the good. And there is a heck of a lot of good that projects funded b
41 Post contains images AeroWesty : I may be slow to respond to anything further, since the Olympics are on now, and I hear there's men's figure skating tonight! Programming note for MAF
42 Aleksandar : Controversial yes, stimulating yes, but the problem with contemporary artists is that they want to shock people rather than to make them think. I've
43 StuckinMAF : I don't think they are incomparable. As accessible as images are now (and in the "Piss Christ" time) via electronic means, you can't tell me that it'
44 Post contains images Greasespot : The thing is when you start to censure what gets funded you are then imposing your values and ideals as to what is art..... GS
45 Post contains images AeroWesty : Can you find a source to support that?
46 Post contains images Logan22L : I think Americans need to "know what that means" when they look at a piece of art, or read a poem much more so than Europeans, or, as a much better e
47 Post contains images StuckinMAF : Well, I was about to say NONE of it, but then I read Mir's post..... I'd have to go for that one simply because it is in a public school, and in gene
48 Aleksandar : Well, I happen to consider cartoonists as artists. As for the reaction, I doubt it would be worse than it already is. Speaking of lunatics, somehow I
49 Aleksandar : That kind of art is simply not made for wide audience. You can put the electronic image on thousands of websites and yet most of people would not eve
50 Post contains images StuckinMAF : Touche, I'll just have to leave that as opinion. I have a very hard time doing that. One of my very few faults! Very good and insightful post. Thanks
51 Post contains images AeroWesty : Again you mistake our generosity, manners and good breeding for something else.
52 Logan22L : I certainly hope no one has issues with this. Who knows, though. Nice post, David.
53 Mir : Baroque music as about as non-provocative as you can get (even though I want to strangle someone whenever I hear a da capo aria). But that's part of
54 AeroWesty : So that's it then? No night cap and a smoke? No would you like to stay until breakfast?
55 Post contains images StuckinMAF : I think the "art" thing played out. Besides, I have to get up in 5 hours and go to work!
56 AeroWesty : Ahh, the curse of having a trade.
57 Logan22L : OK, I think I speak for the entire platoon when I say that this thread should be continued when we are all better rested. g'night.
58 Searpqx : Wow - sorry I missed out on all this - I had to leave for town just after it started. Kudos to all of you for a great conversation. Look forward to ca
59 Post contains images AeroWesty : Whatcha doin' for breakfast, big boy?
60 Searpqx : Hmm, how about macadamia & banana pancakes with Portuguese sausage? Served on placemats depicting Mapplethorpe's more controversial works. . .
61 AeroWesty : Mmmmm, the land of sausage!
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