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Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident  
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

This is sickening... do not read if you get upset easily.



http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...ws/0,6119,2-7-1442_1884335,00.html


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

This raises the question, are animal rights laws flawed. Time to get tougher?


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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Many people will treat animals like shit so long as there are no serious legal penalties for doing so. I personally think that harming animals should be a more serious offense than copying a movie or music file, but here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines. Money buys power and animals don't have any money. Thus, they will always be treated like shit and nothing will ever change that.


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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21424 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Some people think that it's ok to torture animals for the fun of it. Those people should be dealt with extremely harshly. If it were up to me, the penalty for torturing an animal for fun would be the same as the one for torturing a person for fun.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 2):
here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines

Exactly! So are the animal activists and animal rights groups weak? Is their lobbying falling on deaf ears?



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User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

It sickens me to see that. I am a big time animal lover (dogs) and cannot figure out how someone could do that to a dog. I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it. I too believe that penalties should be tougher against cruelty to animals. The dog I have now came from a abused family, I was walking my niece and 2 nephew's over to the park a few years ago when I noticed a guy kicking a dog wearing a pair of Doc Martin boots. I will never forget the sound the dog made yelping in pain. The dog (Megan) was laying on the ground in pain and this asshole is standing over her talking down to her like he was some tough guy. Before he could kick her again, I caught his foot on the backswing of the kick and lifted upwards pulling his foot further towards his back until he fell to the ground face first. I then removed both boots and threw them in the pond, picked up the dog, and took her and the kids back to my house. The funny thing is the guy never made a move towards me. Man enough to beat up a dog, but ball less to fight another man.

Anyway here is Megan now at this past Christmas





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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Exactly! So are the animal activists and animal rights groups weak? Is their lobbying falling on deaf ears?

The two most powerful groups in the US are Corporate America and Christian America. Neither of them seem terribly concerned about the issue and thus nothing has changed. The groups who do push the issue, such as PITA and the Humane Society, are routinely and unapologetically ridiculed in the media and are the butt of endless jokes at the water cooler. They don't have nearly enough money or power to interest politicians, and so nothing has changed.



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User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

This is disgusting... how people can get themselves to do this to defenseless creatures (and even worse; get a kick out of it) is simply beyond belief... it just shouldn't happen..

and no, it's not "time to get tougher"! It's been time to get tougher for years now!!!

How about the dogs (mostly puppies) and kittens that are bought or picked up from the street, get hooked through their legs or even through their mouth while they're still alive to be dragged through water to attract shark for shark fishing? Yes, this happens.

How about the dog fights that still go on and that the police can do nothing about unless they catch the criminals in the act- even if there are obvious proof?

Puppymills?

It has been time to get tougher a looong time... I hope someone realizes that...  Sad


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1410 times:
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Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
The groups who do push the issue, such as PITA and the Humane Society, are routinely and unapologetically ridiculed in the media and are the butt of endless jokes at the water cooler.

Have you ever dealt with P.E.T.A.? Have you ever taken your deer into the D.N.R. to have it inspected and have P.E.T.A. bombard you about how you are a murderer, and how you should be ashamed of yourself for taking an animals life? P.E.T.A. can go to hell as far as I am concerned, and they can take E.L.F. with them.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1380 times:
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Unfortunately I see this as another example of how cheap life has become in this country. Make no mistake I am not making excuses for this bastard but when you can be murdered for 5 bucks it makes you wonder what society has descended to. I'm not going to say again how I felt after reading this in case some of the "men" here decide to take another pot shot at me for having feelings for animals but believe me I am very upset.

The SPCA here has had some successes in the past but it doesn't help this poor animal that has already suffered such terrible pain. I wonder what went through the dog's mind as its "master" was treating it so abominably. Hopefully this asshole gets what he deserves.



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1380 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5):
I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it.

 checkmark 


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1375 times:

Wow,
after the pet thread this is the controversy...
Very sad...

Imagine that maybe only this event caught the news and many others are getting abused right now...

At least I know my dog is sleeping in front of the fireplace!


User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1371 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 11):
Imagine that maybe only this event caught the news and many others are getting abused right now...

Unfortunately, no one will ever be able to stop animal abuse 100%...

There will always be furtraders in china, killing kittens and puppies inhumanely... there will always be people who're hitting their dogs and other pets.

Unfortunately... as the superior species of this planet, we really should know better and realize that we have a responsibility to protect creatures whose fate lies in our hands  Sad


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1361 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 11):
At least I know my dog is sleeping in front of the fireplace!

True, my dog is currently sleeping on his back, on my bed - his paws in the air, snoring away...



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User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Quote:
the man was angry about the dog leaving his yard all the time and wanted to teach her a lesson by dragging her back home.

That is just f***ing sick!!! That man should be ashamed  ashamed  of himself! Who on God's earth wants to do that to an animal to treat her a 'lesson'. If I had my way with people like these I would have them stood up against a wall and shot. I know that makes me bad peson and all but the world could do without these people and it would be a deterrant to all animal abusers and the likes.

JG



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

I've seen some things like this... and worse.

DON'T READ THIS IF YOU'RE SQUEAMISH

The worst I've seen was the skunk someone thought was expendible and unworthy of any decency. The kids trapped it in what was supposed to be a no-kill humane trap, doused it with gasoline and set it afire. When the humane officer arrived, the skunk had been doused with water, but was still alive and screaming in pain. She had to euthanize it on the spot. When she got the trap back to the shelter, the skunk had been burned so badly that as she removed its carcass, she discovered that its paws had "melted" to the cage.


redngold



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Exactly! So are the animal activists and animal rights groups weak? Is their lobbying falling on deaf ears?

Because the largest animal rights group in the US (PETA) is unapologetic about their links to eco-terrorist and their advocating of violent activities against people they protest.

Until they change, they will have no mainstream credibility.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 2):
Many people will treat animals like shit so long as there are no serious legal penalties for doing so...here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines.

Many, if not most US states treat animal cruelty as a felony, with multiple years of prison time. There is legislation being passed all the time about this.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 17):
Many, if not most US states treat animal cruelty as a felony, with multiple years of prison time. There is legislation being passed all the time about this.

There was a recent incident here. Some douchebags sprayed a possum with charcoal lighter and set it on fire. The worst part was that the possum was looking around like "WTF is going on here???" The fire part ofthe film wasn't shown.They made a video of themselves doing this terrible act and then sent it to some on line "humor" site-which promptly reported them to the local cops.

They were prosecuted and received some jail time. I believe animal abuse will ultimately be made a felony here.

Now, they've got criminal records. Imagine explaining THAT on your next job application. That won't be good.

For an interesting view of the kind of people that get a boot out of ebaums, take a look at their forum. This is proof that the theory of evolution is a damned lie.

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=78585

I'd rather cop to an honest burglary, for Chrissakes. At least that's entitled to a little respect. Seems like anyone can become a criminal these days-no damn standards.


User currently offlineGulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

I agree dougloid...what some can do to animals makes me sick


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User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
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Quoting SATX (Reply 2):
Many people will treat animals like shit so long as there are no serious legal penalties for doing so. I personally think that harming animals should be a more serious offense than copying a movie or music file, but here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines. Money buys power and animals don't have any money. Thus, they will always be treated like shit and nothing will ever change that.

Unfortunate but true  Sad

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5):
It sickens me to see that. I am a big time animal lover (dogs) and cannot figure out how someone could do that to a dog. I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it. I too believe that penalties should be tougher against cruelty to animals. The dog I have now came from a abused family, I was walking my niece and 2 nephew's over to the park a few years ago when I noticed a guy kicking a dog wearing a pair of Doc Martin boots. I will never forget the sound the dog made yelping in pain. The dog (Megan) was laying on the ground in pain and this asshole is standing over her talking down to her like he was some tough guy. Before he could kick her again, I caught his foot on the backswing of the kick and lifted upwards pulling his foot further towards his back until he fell to the ground face first. I then removed both boots and threw them in the pond, picked up the dog, and took her and the kids back to my house. The funny thing is the guy never made a move towards me. Man enough to beat up a dog, but ball less to fight another man.

Good job  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 14):
If I had my way with people like these I would have them stood up against a wall and shot.

I like that idea! Personally, I'd turn an angry rottweiler, pit bull, German Shepherd, or doberman (better yet, all four Big grin ) loose on this loser.

Russell



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Because the largest animal rights group in the US (PETA) is unapologetic about their links to eco-terrorist and their advocating of violent activities against people they protest.

I've always wondered why they call them terrorists. Have they ever managed to kill or torture anyone during their decades of known existence? Calling them terrorists sounds like a term that's more about ratings than reality.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Until they change, they will have no mainstream credibility.

That would seem to imply that before 'eco-terrorists' existed there used to be a period of time when animal rights enjoyed mainstream credibility. That's certainly news to me.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 17):
Many, if not most US states treat animal cruelty as a felony, with multiple years of prison time. There is legislation being passed all the time about this.

Actual cases where people receive jail time for animal rights abuses tend to require dozens if not hundreds of infractions over a period of years. First time offenders that didn't have their actions recorded on camera rarely get any jail time or have to pay any serious fines.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
I've always wondered why they call them terrorists.

Because of their financial support for ALF, a recognized terrorist organization responsible for fire bombing attacks as well as openly advocating the murder of researchers, and statments by PETA president Ingrid Newkirk urgeing violence against people and property.

Between ALF and ELF, another recognized terrorist group recieving monies from PETA, there have been more than 600 crimes causeing more than $43 million (FBI) in damages.

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
That would seem to imply that before 'eco-terrorists' existed there used to be a period of time when animal rights enjoyed mainstream credibility. That's certainly news to me.

Only if your reading comprehension is bad.

In order to be saying what you think it says, the sentance would have to be worded thusly: "Until they change, they will not regain mainstream credibility."

[Edited 2006-02-22 00:32:21]

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):

I've always wondered why they call them terrorists. Have they ever managed to kill or torture anyone during their decades of known existence?

You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist. The ELF has destroyed millions of dollars worth of property and merchandise through acts ranging from torching a housing development in Colorado to burning an entire car dealership lot full of brand-new SUVs. That's a type of terrorism.
The ALF has destroyed research laboratories suspected of using animals for testing, even when no animals or animal cages have been found on site.
PeTA supports both groups.
Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
That would seem to imply that before 'eco-terrorists' existed there used to be a period of time when animal rights enjoyed mainstream credibility.

They're called by various names: humane societies, SPCAs, Animal Protective Leagues, and they still exist. Animal rights organizations aren't all as extreme as PeTA.

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
Actual cases where people receive jail time for animal rights abuses tend to require dozens if not hundreds of infractions over a period of years. First time offenders that didn't have their actions recorded on camera rarely get any jail time or have to pay any serious fines.

Not true. People get caught on film by strangers and humane officers alike. The aftereffects and testimony of witnesses can be just as damning as being caught in the act. If a humane officer finds a pit spattered with blood, dogs that are scarred about the head and torso, stimulant drugs and betting books, it's pretty compelling evidence that the property owner is guilty of dog-fighting, and that person will probably go to jail.

See pages 1-2 of the most recent Pet Patter, published by the Cleveland Animal Protective League:
http://www.clevelandapl.org/PetPatter022006.pdf

[Edited 2006-02-22 00:33:06]


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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist.

Don't you at least have to threaten to kill someone or perhaps even attempt it?

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
The ELF has destroyed millions of dollars worth of property and merchandise through acts ranging from torching a housing development in Colorado to burning an entire car dealership lot full of brand-new SUVs. That's a type of terrorism.

I thought such acts were still considered arson and vandalism? Certainly those are very serious crimes, but I didn't know they were called terrorism now. Even the guy who crashed his new SUV into a FL dealership and set the place on fire while people were still inside wasn't called a terrorist in the stories I read. The whole thing looks a lot like a double standard to me.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
PeTA supports both groups.

PETA is certainly weird and overbearing, but I've not yet heard they support ELF/ALF?

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
Animal rights organizations aren't all as extreme as PeTA.

If you watch domestic news programming, many animal rights folks appear to be portrayed as either delusional nutcases or terrorists. Thus, it doesn't really seem to matter if any given group is less extreme than PETA; they all get lumped in together anyway.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
If a humane officer finds a pit spattered with blood, dogs that are scarred about the head and torso, stimulant drugs and betting books, it's pretty compelling evidence that the property owner is guilty of dog-fighting, and that person will probably go to jail.

You have described a situation that contains far more evidence than most acts of animal cruelty will ever produce. How do I know this? Well, from the time I was a young kid through my teenage years I saw the results of all the reckless harm other kids did while having 'fun' with their pets and other people's pets. Besides dead and maimed animals, there was little if any evidence of who did what or when.

Personally, I would prefer that harm to animals be handled in a similar fashion as harm to children, since in many cases they both have a similar level of ability to protect and defend themselves.



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25 MDorBust : AFL and ELF are guilty on both accounts.
26 SATX : Source?
27 Continental : Perhaps MRockter would like to share his thoughts with us. Apparently dogs and cats shouldn't have rights, and should be allowed by humans to be tortu
28 Greasespot : This will get me flamed big time.......But here goes I love animals as much as the next person...In fact to me my cats are like my children,,,BUt they
29 Post contains links and images Beaucaire : www.ImageShack.us" /> We recovered our female dog Diane from a hunter in France who wanted to shoot her 'caus she didn't hunt well enough..... There a
30 BN747 : Here here... and good job on your rescue AAFLT1871. Sadly as the world's population (now at 6.5 Billion) jets towards 7 Billion.. I'm afraid the numb
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