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Falklands No More Enough For UK, Invade Argentina!  
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Breaking news!

This certainly is some good comic relief from the periodical Falklands 'bluster' topics here at A.net...

http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/02/20/um/m-01145373.htm

The ship did not resist, apperently, and now is on toe headed for the port of Comodoro Rivadavia.

In these days of GPS, the 'my dog at the map' excuse won't work too well  Wink

Will London come out and officialy claim Argentine waters as British? Or maybe say 'our mistake'? Probably neither, in a fine show or respect  blockhead 




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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Not this shit again??

You want to translate the article? Or tell me if this is a decent interpretation:

If I'm reading it right, the ship, the John Cheek with 31 people aboard strayed 2 miles inside the 200 mile limit???

Bravo for the Argentine Navy . . . they seized a 53 meter long ship two miles the wrong side of the imaginary line . . . whoo hoo . . . what an INVASION. And now that ship is cooperating and heading to an Argentine port???

Say, you never did answer me in the other thread when I asked if Argentina had ever replaced the General Belgrano . . . you know, the Cruiser the Brits sent to the bottom of the Atlantic . . .


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

 redflag   redflag   redflag   redflag 

and one more  redflag 

It was a fishing vessel that, as the image you posted suggests, "invaded" the Argentine Exclusive Economic Zone maybe two or three miles deep. The EEZ does not equal territorial waters, so Argentina was not "invaded" by the evil, evil British fishing vessel. Though I can see why you're so worried about a fishing vessel; considering the outcome of the last war that your country started, anything qualifies as a threat to Argentina's forces.

and one for the road:  redflag 



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

Whilst we're on this subject, I have a confession to make:

A few years ago, acting on the instructions of the Ministry of Defence and the Foreign Office, I undertook a secret mission to invade Buenos aires. under cover of wandering around the city and doing such devious, devilish things as going into bars, eating in restaurants and generally acting as a tourist, I secretly planned for an invasion of the country by British forces in 2007.

My cover was impeccable. Had you been watching me 24 hours a day, you'd never have been able to tell I wasn't a tourist.

Who'd have thought it, eh?  Yeah sure



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4877 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Hopefully we see another England vs Argentina clash in the world cup this year. It could very well happen. If it does maybe the winner of the game should get the Falklands.

YOWza



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13187 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

So crack is now cheaper in Argentina?

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
Hopefully we see another England vs Argentina clash in the world cup this year. It could very well happen. If it does maybe the winner of the game should get the Falklands

LOL!

Yeah, play for the proverbial "pink slips!"

That's high stakes soccer...wow.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
The ship did not resist, apperently, and now is on toe headed for the port of Comodoro Rivadavia.

Right. As if your everyday fishing boat carries Harpoon missiles. The most resistance it could offer was bad language, and I'm sure the Argentinian crew recieved a couple of barrels' worth.

Three cheers for the brave Argentinian Navy for a great victory over... a fishing boat.  crackup 


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):
Three cheers for the brave Argentinian Navy for a great victory over... a fishing boat

BwaaaHaaaHaaaa . . . whoo Hoo . . .

We got us a fishin' boat!!! Lookie here!!! Salute!!!

 sarcastic 

Great Victory Argentina . . .

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
cover was impeccable. Had you been watching me 24 hours a day, you'd never have been able to tell I wasn't a tourist.

You sneaky bastad you . . .  laughing 


Hey, any word on the Gen. Belgrano ????


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Not this shit again??

You want to translate the article? Or tell me if this is a decent interpretation:

If I'm reading it right, the ship, the John Cheek with 31 people aboard strayed 2 miles inside the 200 mile limit???

Say, would you happen to feel the same way if a ship was caught fishing illegally in your territorial waters, out of YOUR resources? Bravo to the US Coast Guards?  Yeah sure

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Bravo for the Argentine Navy . . .

It was not the Navy, it was Argentine Coast Guards.

Quoting GDB (Reply 5):
So crack is now cheaper in Argentina?

Yes, apparently you've been on some.  Wink

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Hey, any word on the Gen. Belgrano ????

ANC, please knock it off with that. You have NO idea how offensive that is. I'm asking you with all due respect. You're trying to pass it as a joke, and it is not slightly funny



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
This certainly is some good comic relief from the periodical Falklands 'bluster' topics here at A.net...

WHO CARES!

Laugh it up and move on. It's not like it was China with a nuke sub.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3744 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Y'all laughing and all, but few people really have an idea of how much that Falklands crap is still right in the throat of MANY Argentinians (Argentines?)...

I remember one of my type rating ground school was given by a pilot from Argentina, a former military pilot, to make matters worse.

Program of day 1: The Falklands war and how unfair its outcome was considering the SUPERIORITY of the Argentinian forces & aircraft generalities.

And now the irony of it all: He is an instructor on a BAe aircraft...!!

A lot of hurt national pride for a piece of rock and a couple of pinguins if you ask me.



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
Say, would you happen to feel the same way if a ship was caught fishing illegally in your territorial waters, out of YOUR resources? Bravo to the US Coast Guards?

Nope. Happens all the time here.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
It was not the Navy, it was Argentine Coast Guards

In case you haven't researched much lately, there's not much difference between the two.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
ANC, please knock it off with that. You have NO idea how offensive that is. I'm asking you with all due respect. You're trying to pass it as a joke, and it is not slightly funny

Aren't you the same guy who finds it necessary to take pictures of your face 3 inches away from the camera and post them all over this site? I can't tell you how offensive that is..........I'm asking you with all due respect for humanity.........you're trying to pass it as a joke, and it is not slightly funny.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 12):
Y'all laughing and all, but few people really have an idea of how much that Falklands crap is still right in the throat of MANY Argentinians (Argentines?)...

Well I know that it's in the throat of one Argentinian for sure  thumbsup 


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
In case you haven't researched much lately, there's not much difference between the two.

Well, that might be in your country not here. They are TWO different institutions.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
Aren't you the same guy who finds it necessary to take pictures of your face 3 inches away from the camera and post them all over this site? I can't tell you how offensive that is..........I'm asking you with all due respect for humanity.........you're trying to pass it as a joke, and it is not slightly funny.

Then don't look at them if they offend you. And what's this gotta do with this? Seriously, you need to get help.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
Well, that might be in your country not here. They are TWO different institutions.

Then you really haven't done your research if you think the USCG and the USN are the same.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
Then don't look at them if they offend you. And what's this gotta do with this? Seriously, you need to get help.

Don't look at his post if it offends you..........that's what it has to do with this thread.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Hey, any word on the Gen. Belgrano ????

ANC, you know we get along fairly well, and I do apreciate your input on this forum, but this time I agree with Gaston. The sinking of the Belgrano is a big issue here. It's like saying "any news on the WTC"? (with obvious differences and I think I don't need to explain how I feel about 9/11. ). Let's keep the forum with respect Big grin

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 16):
Don't look at his post if it offends you..........that's what it has to do with this thread.

What does ARA General Belgrano have to do with this thread?  Yeah sure

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 16):
Then you really haven't done your research if you think the USCG and the USN are the same.

I never mentioned the US Navy. Guess you didn't read.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 18):
I never mentioned the US Navy. Guess you didn't read.

I think you're having some problems here, so let me help you....

You said...

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
Well, that might be in your country not here. They are TWO different institutions.

In response to...

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 13):
In case you haven't researched much lately, there's not much difference between the two.

Which was in response to...

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
It was not the Navy, it was Argentine Coast Guards.

In case you can't see very well, I'm from the United States. You said that it might be that way in my country, which means you're talking about the United States Navy and the United States Coast Guard.

If you need some more help, let me know.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 15):
Then don't look at them if they offend you.

Pot, kettle, black.  Wink

Derico started a thread to stir up some... err, "residues". We played and called him out on hyping up a totally mundane irrelevant incident. So where's the problem?

As for the Belgrano jokes: Do you have any idea how many jokes the British crack about Germany? The best way to deal with it is to get over it. The UK won and got the islands back.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 12):
Program of day 1: The Falklands war and how unfair its outcome was considering the SUPERIORITY of the Argentinian forces & aircraft generalities.

Sorry but that is ego talking.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Hey, any word on the Gen. Belgrano ????

Low blow. Did you know realize that boat was a Pearl Harbor survivor? That being said, the attempts by the families to try and get the sinking of the boat classified as a "War Crime" is BS. But those guys really don't need to be made a joke of either.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
Say, would you happen to feel the same way if a ship was caught fishing illegally in your territorial waters, out of YOUR resources? Bravo to the US Coast Guards?

Happens quite a bit up here. One of the big critisms of moving the USCG to DHS was the worry that the fisheries protection mission would be given a lesser priority...in many ways that has come to pass.

Also there have been a few cases in Dixon Entrance where the CDN-CG has tried and move the fishing boundary on US fishermen too. This was particularly common during the 1996 AK-BC salmon war.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 19):
In case you can't see very well, I'm from the United States. You said that it might be that way in my country, which means you're talking about the United States Navy and the United States Coast Guard.

Of course. Because you suggested there was no difference between the Argentine Navy and Coast Guard.

There is a difference between each other, here in Argentina.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 20):
Do you have any idea how many jokes the British crack about Germany? The best way to deal with it is to get over it.

Spot on.  checkmark  yes 

And do you know how many jokes 99% of the world cracks about us? If I got mad at each one, I'd shat all over myself on a daily basis.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
Say, would you happen to feel the same way if a ship was caught fishing illegally in your territorial waters, out of YOUR resources? Bravo to the US Coast Guards?

Yup, it's a damn fishing boat, not an invasion - and yes, we get them ALL the time . . . particularly from Japan and Russia . . . we don't escort them anywhere, we send them out to International waters . . . . next???? We don't seize them, unless there are drugs or other actions not associated with fishing involved . . . rarely, very damned rarely do we escort a ship back to an Alaskan port . . . navigation isn't perfect.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 10):
NC, please knock it off with that. You have NO idea how offensive that is. I'm asking you with all due respect.

OK, deal. No offense to you Gaston . . . all respect intended.

Derico's commentary in other threads speaks volumes about this chip he maintains on his shoulder, and anything insulting is directed solely at his attitude. Certainly not at you Gaston . . .

In the big scheme of things, it was a fishing boat, a couple miles on the wrong side of an imaginary line . . . . even here, the US COast Guard just escorts them to the "right" side of said imaginary line . . . .

What's the big deal . . . I have a theory . . . some Argentines are still bristling at the pasting the Royal Navy gave them . . . and in some cases it might be warranted, in most cases it is not.

Derico's chip is evident . . . his thread title is bullshit. He earned the replies he got here . . .

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17):
ANC, you know we get along fairly well, and I do apreciate your input on this forum, but this time I agree with Gaston.

I didn't realize the impact. You have my apologies EZEIZA . . . I shall not bring it up again . . .

[Edited 2006-02-20 21:14:52]

25 Usnseallt82 : So which is it? Argentina or Portugal? I like to have an idea about who I'm talking to without them hiding behind something that's false.
26 Gman94 : Sorry wheres the issue, we were at war with Argentina, we sunk an Argentinian navy ship. Big deal, war is a dirty business, do you hear us crying abo
27 MD11junkie : Aloges, this was an English (or British) Submarine sinking an Argentine boat outside conflict waters. It did hurt, and the wound is still opened. Are
28 Banco : Mmmm. The Belgrano hasn't really been the subject of too many jokes in the UK. We remember the Sheffield, Coventry, Atlantic Conveyor, Ardent, Antelo
29 Post contains images EZEIZA : Do you hear anyone cracking jokes about it? Come on, let's keep it civilized. It has been posted several times that the Blegrano is a sensitive issue
30 A319XFW : The Jews in Germany were German citizens and some even fought for Germany in WW1. Comparing mass genocide to the sinking of an enemy warship is plain
31 L-188 : Actually it was outside the EEZ that the British had declared around the islands. But what are really conflict waters? I don't think anybody ever dec
32 MD11junkie : THANK YOU very much. When someone makes a point and you have no other way back other than admitting, you attack something else? It's Argentina, just
33 Aloges : "Outside conflict waters"? As far as I know, the Belgrano was transporting troops to the Falklands. That's about as involved in a war as a warship ca
34 Banco : It was considered, but felt to be politically disastrous. Hitting Argentina itself would have removed the moral high ground the British were maintain
35 ANCFlyer : So, Gaston, what will be - in your opinion - the end result with this wayward fishing vessel . . . the one Derico contends is invading Argentina . . .
36 Usnseallt82 : You're kidding me, right? You didn't even acknowledge the fact that you contradicted yourself in your own posts. You WERE talking about the U.S. Navy
37 Post contains images L-188 : Here is a picture of CL-46 the USS Phoenix Later the Belgrano. Photo was taken on 12/7/41, I don't think you need to be told where. BBC on the anniver
38 L-188 : War is period. Which is why I can't give any other special consideration to this sinking then I would give any other acts of war between one combat v
39 BHXFAOTIPYYC : I'm sure that the vast majority of Argentinians couldn't give a damn about the Falklands, just as the majority of Spaniards couldn't give a damn about
40 Banco : Certainly true. But the lack of preparedness on the ship (she wasn't even zig-zagging), and the poor level of training of large numbers of conscripts
41 Post contains images MD11junkie : Yes, I acknowledge that, it was a stupid comparison. My apologies. Nothing will come out of it, Clarin [the newspaper] is making much big of a deal t
42 Banco : I can remember it well. There was the initial jubilation ("Gotcha" - the infamous Sun headline) but pretty quickly the reaction was one of horror. An
43 RichardPrice : To add a bit more info on the subject. The Belgrano combat group was outside the exclusion zone at the time of the attack, but it had turned onto a h
44 Cfalk : Which just goes to show that British troops, ships and planes were superior in the most important aspect: TRAINING. They kicked ass. Argentina should
45 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : No problem at all. At least you have the balls to apologize, while Derico keeps stirring stuff up.
46 Post contains images Aloges : So many sensible people on tonight... If only it were always like that.
47 RichardPrice : Actually, a properly fought war is precisely about none fatal casualties. If you kill an enemy soldier, you might enrage his friends and if you kill
48 WhiteHatter : There has been considerable speculation about just how seriously Thatcher took the Cordoba option. It was definitely a tactic which many on the hard
49 Post contains images Prebennorholm : A fishing boat seen 2 miles inside the 200 limit...! There must be at least half a dozen embassies which need to be set ablaze somewhere...
50 LVZXV : A pretty sickening thread to which I will only contribute a necessary correction: The Belgrano was carrying 1,093 sailors, not troops. The Belgrano wa
51 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I believe this to be one of the best posts in the thread . . . .Derico, I hope you're reading this! A ship of war, in war, Hence a target in war . .
52 Gman94 : One which one of your fellow countrymen started for dubious reasons. I really don't know why this is so hard for Argentinians to grasp. We were at wa
53 Post contains images EGGD : Wait! Make that, TWO Argentinians.
54 RichardPrice : Conqueror was a submarine, where do you reckon it was going to put any survivors? More than likely, in the rising seas, Conqueror herself would have
55 L-188 : That isn't the fault of the British, but rather the Argentinians If I remember correctly the torpedo that was fired was a WWII vintage Mk8. It was se
56 Cfalk : Interesting for you to make that charge when it is Argentina that initiated the war by trying to take something that was not theirs. Look up in the d
57 LVZXV : A lot could have been avoided, including the intensity of the fire of Argentine nationalism, had the English not "moved in" to the Islands in 1833. T
58 Aloges : Mhm, sure. And you mean to say the British are to blame for the sad fact that something that went on peacefully for about 150 years, according to you
59 A319XFW : So going back a few years - how would you classify the sinking of merchants in WW2 by German subs, the sinking of the Bismark by the British or the si
60 Renton_WA : I try to keep quiet in the forums simply because it's sometimes more entertaining to read than to get in a debate with people online. But with that sa
61 Post contains images EZEIZA : In every war there are atrocities done by all sides, no matter what hollywood shows. The German troops during WW II were not all evil by nature. Some
62 Post contains images Aloges : gracias/thank you/danke/merci/obrigado/dank je/takk Sorry to hear that, may he rest in peace.
63 RichardPrice : Post was worded a little strongly, apologies to any who took offence. But seriously, Argentina has no legal claim to the islands, so please stop with
64 MD11Engineer : During a war any enemy military vessel, institution (except a military hospital), personnel ( again except wounded soldiers or medical institutions)
65 L-188 : Sorry if we are rehashing a bunch of rought memories for you and your family.
66 Post contains links RichardPrice : One final matter on the subject of the 'conflict waters' or 'exclusion zone' - it was not the limit of hostilities. On the 23rd April, the following
67 LVZXV : I sadly don't enjoy the privilege of knowing you, but with this comment you really put your foot in it. Germany invaded Poland, Dolfy declared war on
68 Banco : Even if there was any capacity for a submarine so to do, it is certainly not expected. The Conqueror became a target the moment the Belgrano went dow
69 Aloges : Aw, I'm insulted. I just need to find a pillow to cry into.
70 Gman94 : It seems to me that Germany has learnt a lot from it's countries dark past whereas you sound like your pining for the good old days of Galtieri.
71 RichardPrice : Actually the sinking of Merchent ships by German U-Boats was considered a warcrime, and was one of the charges against Admiral Donitz at Nerumberg (c
72 Renton_WA : No problem! Thank you both! And in total agreement with RichardPrice, Argentina has no legal claim to the islands. End of story!
73 L-188 : Hiding. Wasn't familiar with that tradition. Did it work? I don't remember.
74 A319XFW : And would you know me, you'd realise I am not German. I included the merchants for a bit of balance, but after RichardPrice's answer I stand correcte
75 MD11Engineer : I'm NOT responsible for what my grandfathers did, period. We can voice our opinion about this matter, just as anybody else, and IMO the Galtieri gove
76 Gman94 : Not sure he wasn't charged with crimes against humanity like other Nazi's. His charges were: 'Conspiracy to wage aggressive war' 'Planning, initiatin
77 RichardPrice : No, Donitz was convicted of counts 2 and 3 (Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression, and crimes against the laws of war) and sentenced to
78 Theredbaron : This thread proves beyond any doubt why ALL WARS are stupid, and chewing old battles only fuels misunderstanding and misplaced nationalism...NO ONE de
79 Post contains images EZEIZA : First of all, I would also like to apologize if this thread brings bad memories. And regarding the legal claim on the islands, I can not decide what
80 Post contains images Gkirk : Lets see.... 1) Those living on the Falklands want to remain part of Britain. 2) The Argentinians are annoyed that the Falkland Islands residents want
81 L-188 : Well I guess we got that answer on Donitz...thanks guys. I still haven't figured out who was worse kitted out, the Argentinians or the British. The Br
82 Arsenal@LHR : Give it a break, Falklands is a non-issue for most in Britain, doesn't seem to be the case for some Argentinians. The day the islanders decide to beco
83 VC10 : EZEIZA, One of the most well balanced replies so far on this subject and yes it was a long time ago now and the dead & injured of both sides should be
84 L-188 : Partially, but it was a leather shoe design in a soggry tundra type terrain and that is just a recipie for trench-foot in those conditions. Add to th
85 Dougloid : Exactly. What's important here is that upwards of 300 sailors on the General Belgrano lost their lives that day. Regardless of what the people on the
86 Post contains images MDorBust : In other breaking news, the M14's great grandchild gets sexy for the new century
87 L-188 : Sorry MD, don't get the purpose of that modified M-14. To be honest if I had ended up in the Falklands, I would have prefered a M1D.
88 Post contains images Gilligan : Ok, you got me, I'll bite. How do you figure which fish were caught inside the 200 mile limit and which ones weren't? Are they labeled or decaled som
89 ANCFlyer : We're still on the topic of the Argentine Coast Guard seizing an INVADING fishing trawler . . . lets not lose sight of the laughable original topic he
90 Post contains images AR1300 : Damn it, you all. Move on!!! it's over. Don't waste your fingertips energy in typing on this subject. War is over.We lost.Too bad. We want them?yes.Fi
91 Cfalk : All enemy-flagged ships are legitimate targets of war, with the exception of clearly marked hospital ships. It is a war crime to sink a hospital ship
92 Post contains images 11Bravo : A friend of mine is a NMFS enforcement officer and she's told me that we use radar, and sometimes satellite, surveillance data for that here in the U
93 Post contains images Banco : One of which was called.....HMS Invincible. Cue Twilight Zone music. Thankfully the latest Invincible has had a happier history that its WWI namesake
94 MD11Engineer : The boots used by the British army back then were essentially the old WW2 ammo boots (BTW still used by the Brigade of Guards for ceremonial duty), o
95 Post contains images EZEIZA : How would you call it? Territorial waters? Despite that I disagree with Derico and the topic at hand here, You know what he meant by "Argentine Sea",
96 Post contains images MD11junkie : Check again. The 200mi limit zone off the Argentine coast is called "Mar Argentino" --- there's no dispute on that name with any country, it's recogn
97 Flyingbabydoc : Sorry, but that is not correct. The usual international limit is 12 miles. Brazil and Argentina got into big trouble in the 70s or 80s (don't remembe
98 Post contains links and images MD11junkie : Sorry, I used wrong wording. What the Argentine Sea is, an exclusive Economic Zone, that is recognized by the United States. From the CIA's World Fact
99 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Well, the Falklands NEVER were Argentine. They were Spanish, but became British long before Argentina got established. And the Islands were NOT settle
100 ANCFlyer : I'm all for that . . . now if you and your fellow Countryman can get Serico to understand . . . A lot of similar problems with the fisheries up here.
101 Post contains links GDB : The Belgano group, was the Southern part of a pincer movement, with the carrier the Northern part, Adm Lombardo's plan to attack the RN. Replies 22, a
102 LVZXV : Of course Thatcher didn't start the war; she just stopped all diplomatic negotiations between both governments regarding the Malvinas that had begun m
103 Flyingbabydoc : Easy now.. That was not the case. Brazil flerted with the Axis because its president (Getulio Vargas) had instituted the "Estado Novo" in 1937, along
104 Sprout5199 : Lets get something straight. The U.S. Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard are TOTALLY different. You have to be at least six foot tall to be in the Coast G
105 Traindriver : Hey Dan, That's a good way to lighten up this thread by goofing on the "shallow water" sailors of the USCG. Traindriver U.S.N. 1968-1972
106 Paulc : Another reason why the Argentine Navy stayed in port was a wrong assumption on their part about the weapons carried by our Sea Harriers. I attended a
107 Post contains images AviationMaster : Does anyone know where Derico is?
108 TERRA : Yeah but the sinking of the Belgrano was the main reason. The Argentine navy quickly returned to port due to the submarine threat which they couldn't
109 GDB : HMS Superb, or possibly HMS Spartan, was tracking the Argentine carrier group, though like the Belgrano group, there was a problem with shallows, addt
110 Post contains images Piercey : Depends. Like the fish smell in crack? Loser get GWB! Or was it...... dude, you didn't just kick Argentina in the balls, you nuke'd them. It is! Arge
111 Banco : Not quite. They were mainly privateers, not pirates. There is an important difference there, and privateers were commonplace well into the 19th centu
112 Post contains images Derico : To All, particularly to answers #1 and #2: Read the title of this thread, and then read up on the subject 'headline misexageration', something used by
113 Derico : LOL, ANC, I certainly lay the bait and you just ripped in. It's all good.
114 Derico : Just as I find it silly Americans singing their anthem in sports games. Totally beyond ridiculous.
115 Derico : So... I guess to the A.net moderators it is OK for ANC flyer to mock 300 people that drowned, but if I dare to do the same about New Orleans (only to
116 MD11junkie : He apologized, end of story, Derico.
117 Derico : I didn't read about his apology, and I really don't care. He can say whatever he wishes, as long as I can do the same. But when selective censorship i
118 NoUFO : This reply wins the "Most Stupid Post of the Day" Award. Hands down. And this thread wins the ... well ... whatever, but it's certainly not a flower
119 MD11junkie : Hey, I got really annoyed too -- but he apologized from the bottom of his heart -- and I believe him. Mocking how Argentina perform in the war is one
120 Derico : So why was my comment banned (which was a simply a juxtapose to make people see how ANC sounds), if this is not the case? I don't need to explicitly s
121 Post contains images MD11junkie : Then this is not the place to discuss it. Send an email to moderators@airliners.net to discuss this issue, before they ban you for breaking any other
122 Derico : LOL, yeah, well LMAO to this one. It's the original thought that really portrays people's thoughts, and ANC made his very clear, and has for a long t
123 ANCFlyer : Look, you're beginning to sound very simple minded here. First, I apologized not only publically but via IM to several Argentine members here that I
124 Post contains images EZEIZA : Derico, really, ANC did apologize, several times for that matter, and he also made clear that he did not realize how big a deal the sinking of the Be
125 YOWza : I think we both know that might be stretching the truth just a little. YOWza
126 F4phantom : the Royal Navy and the rest of the British Armed Forces sailed thousands of miles from home, took on and thoroughly spanked a occupying invasion force
127 ANCFlyer : Na, not really . . . we deserve a lot of the shit we get . . . what chaps my ass, is the undeserved and "inventive" shit we get . . . or the twisting
128 YOWza : I can respect that. I'm a reasonable guy, despite being a liberal I voted conservative in our last elections because I beleive that they were best fo
129 Pdpsol : I have only now read some of the ridiculous posts on this thread. I find it unbelievable this topic has been raised AGAIN here on a.net. Frankly, I am
130 Post contains images Aloges : I don't necessarily agree, although I have to admit I stopped reading this humourous piece of discussion after about half of the posts. I don't have
131 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Certainly I for one think at least ONE member from Argentina maintains a hufe chip on his shoulder - and have so stated - I can only imagine I'm the
132 AR385 : My mother is from Argentina. Hence all my maternal family is in Argentina. The Guerra de las Malvinas was the ego-trip of an alcoholic fascist-militar
133 Post contains images EZEIZA : AR I don't know if you have seen it, but if you haven't, you (and all fellow a.netters that have an interest in what happened in Malvinas) must watch
134 Post contains images RobertNL070 : With respect, while British forces will surely welcome tips and advice from NATO partners, I think you'll find that British troops are very much Brit
135 GDB : AR385, interesting stuff. However, only 5 AM-39 Exocets were operational at the time of conflict, one hit HMS Sheffield, one hit the unarmed merchant
136 AR385 : I did not write that properly. What I meant was that while I'm sure British troops are British trained, they are trained at least to a minimum NATO s
137 Pdpsol : I wholeheartedly agree with AR385 on this point. Today, the ENTIRE region enjoys infinitely superior security and strong political cooperation on a w
138 LVZXV : Correct, and as it was, of the five Super Etendard platforms that had been delivered in time for the war (3-A-201 thru 205), 201 had to be cannibalis
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