GulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2859 times:
Hello all , and thx to those with some insight , it's a Lexus GS 400 (one of my fav cars) and its going for around 25 , just wondering on if anyone has owned or ownes that particular model as im very keen on buying it , any comments from some air nutters greatly appreciated im thinking about putting 7 to 8 thousand down and financing the rest on a 3 year term , here's the link ..... thx again
GulfStreamGirl oh ps ...if i do obtain that car i will be having the tint removed, makes it hard to see out at night and also, a lil too "Ganster" for moi, nice rims though
[Edited 2006-02-22 06:31:47]
[Edited 2006-02-22 06:32:28]
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Kerberos From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
That's hilarious... I was just looking at this exact car this afternoon, it's not far from me. Don't worry I'm not seriously looking to buy anything so she's all yours. Seems like a good deal, however I would make sure that the kms are not excessive, and be sure to get a vehicle history report. Even though they say no accidents, you never know. If its been driven hard, you dont want to be looking at a motor replacement right around the time the warrenty runs out. For comparison there is another GS 400 at Granville Island Auto for $28,888.00
Good luck, I hope it works out for you, its one sexy car.
Peter
This is your captain speaking. I’ve turned off the no-smokin’ sign. Hell, if the plane is smokin' why can't you?
GulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
Thx Kerberos, I'll be sure to check out that Granville Island one, a lil more pricey , but , never know which is better , looking at the way that car is (souped) up , it being driven hard is a very good possibility, thx for your reply and nice to meet a fellow BC'er
GulfStreamGirl
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Kerberos From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
No problem, i hate seeing people get hosed by used car dealers. One other thing, get a third party mechanical inspection. I was looking at a 04 Mustang GT from a dealer even, I had BCAA come out to do an inspection, and they found a whole list of things that were wrong with it. It looked as though the previous owner had taken it offroad or something. When I test drove it, it seemed perfect. Not trying to discourage you, just be smart is all.
Ciao!
Peter
This is your captain speaking. I’ve turned off the no-smokin’ sign. Hell, if the plane is smokin' why can't you?
GulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2772 times:
Thx peter, I know, your totally right about used car dealers, well they ARE used car dealers, so yes we do have to be rather vigilent, thx again for your advice, one of my brothers is a mechanic for BMW,and he knows some Lexus mechanics, I already have a place to bring the Lexus (cause thats what I'm set out for) to a shop and have a thorough check done, hopefully all goes well *keeps fingers crossed*
GulfStreamGirl
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GulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2710 times:
Myt332 , what makes a Lexus inferior?, I like BMW's to, but the models I like are wayyyyyyyyy out of my price range, although I do think I would look rather nice in a new 750 lolz, I wish, but I've always liked the look of those GS models, I just think its a sexy car , and another thing, my brother works for a dealer and the discount they give him doesn't even bring the price range of a model I want in my (affordable area)
GulfStreamGirl
If it wasn't for women ...there would be no such thing as Man :o)
Second, we have a wonderful feature, called the "spell check" button. All you have to do is click it, and it will scan your post for errors. It makes it far less taxing on us, when we don't have to get out the ol' decoder ring to try and figure out what you're saying.
Third, I think Myt332 was correct, why go for the more inferior product? How much does this Lexus cost? A little under, $30,000, correct? Why not just keep saving and go for the BMW a year or two down the line?
JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3138 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2689 times:
Do not buy RWD (Rear Wheel Drive) for Canadian winters. It is a big mistake.
They don't tell you the mileage of the car. It's safe to assume its got lots of km's on the clock if they don't explicitly tell you the mileage reading.
I'll take 100 litres a side AVGAS with Prist - C172 pilot
GulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2674 times:
Jag, thx for your concern but I reside in Vancouver, I'm not sure if you're aware of our *snowless* winters, I know what you mean though, but really we dont get much snow at all in Vancouver
And UH60 what spelling mistakes are you referring to?, i didn't notice any,but then again im proof reading my own writing so , and if you're the one serving in Iraq right now, I wish you the best of luck and come home safe, being a canadian I support you and you're fellow troops, your government well that's another topic, but you I do support fully.
Thx from a Canadian Gal be safe
GulfStreamGirl
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Sv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1): Being a Lexus, it should last forever, but put money away for the day you need to replace your 20" tires.
Keep in mind these cars are still $55K (USD) when new. Parts are very expensive for these sort of cars. I own a 1992 LS400 and my dad has had 3 other LS cars (98 LS400, 02, 05 LS430). These cars DO break, so I'd be wary of buying a car with high mileage.
Since it is a GS400, it has a 4.0 L V-8 in it. Do check whether the Timing Belt has been changed. That model has an interference type engine, so you don't want that belt snapping. Lexus reccomends that you change it at 90K miles. You'll also want to change out the Water Pump at the same time. (It is cheap insurance).
Lexus cars use Special Toyota Type IV fluid for their transmissions. NEVER use anything else. This fluid was specially designed for Lexus and Toyota cars. Also, you'll want to change the Power Steering Fluid regularly. Lexus doesn't have that in their regular scheduled maintenance. When you do this, do Not use Power Steering Fluid. Use Dextron II/III Transmission fluid instead. (It says this on the cap of the Power Steering Reservior under the hood). If you're having this car serviced by Lexus guys, they'll know this.
You can get a service history of the car by going to the Lexus dealer. All they need is the VIN number of the car. Also, you ought to run a Carfax report (Do they have those in Canada?)
The car seems too expensive for what it is. $25K (CDN) sounds too much. This car in the Boston area would be around $15-18K (USD) at the most. (18.2-20.52K (CDN) at the most. I don't see why they are charging a premium, and they aren't a Lexus dealer.
One last thing. You should join Lexus Owners Club. They discuss all sorts of cool things about your car. If you have a problem with the car, chances are they will know what the issue is. They also have tons of Do It Yourself tutorials.
Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
How many miles does it have? I know the used BMWs are a bit more expensive but their Certified Pre-Owned program is one of the best available. You may make up the price difference in maintinence costs over the years.
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4470 posts, RR: 58 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
Is that 25k Canadian Dollars or USD?
If its 25k and you're putting down 7 or 8 thousand you're looking at monthly payments of 600 or more over 36 months.
As far as the car itself, objectively it is a fine car so I think its just a matter of whether or not you like it and want to be driving it. My understanding is that it is a very reliable car. Friend of mine drove a 1998 for about 5 years and had no mechanical problems with it.
By the way, if it wasn't for men, there would be no women either
GulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
Lolz AirxLiban, yes it's Canadian dollars
Sv7887 Thank you for your detailed responce, greatly appreciated, at the moment I'm not sure how many KM's are on the car,I'll find out in a few hours,and the price in which you think is a lil high, I'm pretty sure that just because it has 20" rims on it adds atleast 2 - 3 thousand, not postive, but they have to add that feature to the price to some extent.If I do end up chosing that car I will be sure to take it to a Lexus dealer for a inspection.
Asuflyer05 thxx for your reply, I have looked at a few BMW's but the models I like are a lil out of my wallet (purse) and my price range
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2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8937 posts, RR: 65 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2604 times:
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 12): Also, you ought to run a Carfax report
I agree with this 100%. A few months ago, I came very close to buying an Audi TT. It was just a little shabby around the edges, but seemed solid otherwise. I coughed up the $25 or so for an online history report, and found that it had previously been a corporate fleet car.
Needless to say, I passed on it.
By the way...to those who label the Lexus as inferior to the BMW...what criteria are you using? Strictly from a performance perspective, I can see how the BMW could be considered superior. From a reliability perspective, though, I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that Lexus has been at the top of the list for many years, and has always come out pretty far ahead of BMW.
It makes me sad to admit but I agree with him for once. I guess it could just be down to personal preference but BMW's / German cars have the edge IMHO. Oh and Ms 'G'ulf 'S'tream Girl (GS, is that a sign?), go get a 3 series then. Setting your sights on a 7 series is a bit retarded?
Sv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2587 times:
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16): Lexus is a wannabe car... they are trying to look like mercedes cars... go for some other brand instead.
Oh here we go again...Which car company made more money than all of Merecedes, BMW, and Audi combined? Toyota/Lexus !! You can make this whole image argument if you want, but dollar for dollar no one can beat what a Lexus can offer.
--Industry leading Quality scores...A six year old Lexus LS400 is more reliable than a new Bmw.
--Industry leading Dealer Service. Lexus satisfaction scores are one of the highest in the industry
--Cutting edge electronics. Lexus continues to excel in high end stereo systems, Hybrid drivetrains, 8 Speed Automatic Transmissions, Self Parking feature, and DVD Nav systems. Try a Lexus Nav system then compare it to a German one..It will be seriously lacking
Have you seen the new specs for a the new 5.5L V-8 from Mercedes? It makes 382 HP. The new Lexus 4.6 L V-8 makes 380 HP..How about that for efficiency, and it gives 20-25 MPG. The LS430 is the only High end car that doesn't get hit with a Gas Guzzler tax in the US.
--Depreciation...German cars, especially Mercedes are horrible. I've seen 03 S500's selling for around 51% of their original MSRP. When we traded in our 02 LS430 we got a 64% residual...
--What's all this about so called Mercedes Styling? Have you seen the new S Class? It looks terrible, the interior is a clear copy of the much maligned 7 Series. Their cars cost more because their production isn't nearly as efficient as Lexus. The only good looking Benz is the SL500.
I'll give you the handling edge, but Lexus cars aren't slow either. Just look at the specs of a IS350.
Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 15): the price in which you think is a lil high, I'm pretty sure that just because it has 20" rims on it adds atleast 2 - 3 thousand, not postive, but they have to add that feature to the price to some extent
That sounds like alot for just 20" rims and tires. When we got 18's factory installed on our new LS430 they only charged us $5-600 USD. It sounds like an outrageous markup for 4 rims and tires. Keep in mind they are used, and actual value isn't anything near the original price. They would have to depreciate the original price of the rims and tires accordingly.
You seldom get the money back when you mod a car. I still believe this car is overpriced. Check out the pre-owned inventory at a Lexus dealer for comparison purposes. The 1999 is too old to be Certified, but they may have a few around.
Myt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9109 posts, RR: 80 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
It's a Toyota. Toyota make the Yaris. Enough said.
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19): Quoting Myt332 (Reply 18):
Setting your sights on a 7 series is a bit retarded?
agreed! plus the new 7 series is one of bmw's ugliest
I meant it's too expensive you bacon loving.... See, I extend the olive branch and you put a flame thrower to it. Still, it isn't as bad as that new Merc that looks like a slug. I think it was something like the P Class 280 SCLK CDI TDI. You know, one of those obscure Mercedes names.
AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 1736 posts, RR: 24 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
Oh here we go again...Which car company made more money than all of Merecedes, BMW, and Audi combined? Toyota/Lexus !!
any facts or sources? anyway if its true, congratulations! I don't really care about that, I just prefer Mercedes over Lexus and BMW.. thats my opinion.
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20): --What's all this about so called Mercedes Styling? Have you seen the new S Class? It looks terrible, the interior is a clear copy of the much maligned 7 Series.
First of all, I like the looks of the new s-class! I think its beautiful! second, I admit that it looks like Mercedes stole some of the interior design from bmw, but atleast they didn't steal both interior and exterior designs from another company just like lexus does.
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20): The only good looking Benz is the SL500.
While I agree that the SL500 is a good looking car, there are lots of mercedes models which look great like the new SLK, the E-class, the CLK, the C-class, and the CLS class!! The cls looks really good! etc, etc
AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 1736 posts, RR: 24 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2575 times:
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 21):
I meant it's too expensive you bacon loving....
atleast i am not a tea-lover
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 21): See, I extend the olive branch and you put a flame thrower to it
it gives the olives a great grilled taste.. now all we need is some BBQ sauce
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 21): Still, it isn't as bad as that new Merc that looks like a slug. I think it was something like the P Class 280 SCLK CDI TDI. You know, one of those obscure Mercedes names.
well then tell me why BMW still writes "i" at the end of their model names? is that just to sound advanced or what? lol. I know it stands for injection but that is something every car today has
Myt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9109 posts, RR: 80 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2558 times:
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 23): well then tell me why BMW still writes "i" at the end of their model names?
It's because they are 'incredible'.
One Life, Live it.
25 AirPacific747: no that is because they are inferior along with lexus
26 Sv7887: Have a look at: http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/20/news/companies/pluggedin_2_fortune/ Here is an excerpt: "Toyota (Research) alone earned more than all
27 2H4: Well, if style is the criteria, then it would be a mistake to present one brand's "superiority" as fact, as style is purely subjective. BMW certainly
28 AirPacific747: as I said, congratulations! But just because a company is earning more than another company doesnt mean that I will buy their cars. I am not the firs
30 Sv7887: Where is your source for the interiors?? Show me a single interior that Lexus has copied from Mercedes? I don't know about you, but a Lexus interior
31 AirPacific747: Not at all! Lexus is a complete ripoff! It wouldnt be very important if it hadnt been for their design stealing, just like the pictures I posted abov
32 Aerobalance: That would be my qualifier, if the km's are low I'd get it - and that's coming from a very satisfied '06 BMW 330i owner. Sidenote - a co-worker here
33 AirPacific747: If you love your life as much as I love mine, go for a Mercedes: http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/050414-2.htm http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm.
34 GulfStreamGirl: Myt332 "Setting your sights on a 7 series is a bit retarded" I was being sarcastic in that remark, obviously I'm not setting my sights on that, a lil
35 Saxdiva: This is a little beside the point, but BMW interiors haven't exactly been anything to aspire to. They've probably improved in the last couple of year
36 2H4: To be fair, you're comparing a very solid sedan that is extremely resistant to torsional flex with a convertible. Although I am convinced that Toyota
37 LOT767-300ER: How old are you? You cannot even differentiate between the words "past" and "passed" You type and use vocabulary like this is an AOL Chatroom.
38 Saxdiva: Point well-taken, but I still think that the BMWs of that period just had poor interior designs and even worse materials. In fact, when I asked the d
39 2H4: Well, should you ever want someone to, you know, take that bucket off of your hands, I'm sure I could find someone.... 2H4
40 AirPacific747: Okay. It sounds like a good car aswell. But Camry's are not really available here in Europe, so I can't comment on them as I have never tried one.
41 N1120A: They are very good cars, if a bit boring (which is why they didn't do well in Europe and were pulled in 2004).
42 KaiGywer: Do you want a Hybrid to save money, or to save the environment? If it is to save money...don't. One of the TV-stations around here did a comparison b
43 WhiteHatter: because we have the Avensis. Now that's a nice motor. If you offered me the choice between a Lexus and an Avensis, I'd have the Avensis. Lexus have a
44 AirPacific747: exactly. Plus the wannabe image.. I have not met a single person who said that they would rather want a lexus than a mercedes or bmw for example.
45 Sv7887: Dude you are so full of it. Your posts reek of snobbery. Apparently the entire automotive industry Disagrees with you. Lexus isn't even American to b
46 WhiteHatter: Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Lexus is a bad motor. Not at all. It's just that they do have an image problem nowadays, and it is image that ju
47 Sv7887: Given some of the lower end models Lexus has to offer I'd be inclined to agree with you. Lexus cars do have better quality by a substantial margin, a
48 AirPacific747: I am full of what? You know that Mercedes is better than lexus now you just dont want to admit it. I know that Lexus isn't American LOL! What I said
49 WhiteHatter: This is what we get here http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/toyo...avensis-t-spirit-2.4-vvt-i-5dr.asp On balance I'd much rather spend the money on that
50 Flight152: Regardless of what any reliability says, I wouldn't want to own a car that is so boring to drive as a Lexus. It's obvious they aren't a performance or
52 Sv7887: Based on what?? Your opinion? Every objective fact I've put out says you are wrong...Where are your facts? Links to the numbers please. Umm you need
53 AirPacific747: I have posted a lot of links, so besides my opinion, I have a lot of facts to back it up with. you just cant handle it. First of all: LED lamps dont
54 AirPacific747: also check this out: http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...17.007&mercedes=1.html/country/gcf Also, why would you want some lexus speakers when you c
55 YOWza: You are aware that they no longer make the 318 right, so 30,000 + couple years savings will not get you too far. Especially when u factor in taxes et
56 AirPacific747: Yes. It is a wannabe car. Lexus completely stole both interior and exterior design from mercedes. its a fact.. se the pictures above Sadly, I have to
57 Dazultra: Of course they do, LEDs have a much quicker response time than a bulb, so come on quicker, i.e. alert drivers behind you quicker. Also LEDs will last
58 AirPacific747: Well maybe they are safer, but I just don't like the looks of them. Just like xenon lamps. I have spoken with a police officer and he says that they
59 Dazultra: We have xenons on our BMW and I can tell you once you have them you will never consider going back to normal bulbs. And again they last for ages, as
60 Sv7887: The New LS460 system also has an aux jack for the Ipod. I think the IS250/350 already has this. You posted Two links which said the same thing: The E
61 2H4: You know, all this crap BMW fans spew forth about the supposed insecurity issues of Lexus drivers reminds me of a rather popular and well-known joke:
62 Flight152: You know, all this crap BMW fans spew forth about the supposed insecurity issues of Lexus drivers reminds me of a rather popular and well-known joke:
63 PROSA: You could get a new Camry for the same amount of money as that Lexus which is now eight model years old.
64 Aerobalance: Or wait for the '07 Camry redesign which will have a hybrid version....and a NASCAR version - for 2H4.
65 AirPacific747: Yes but are you able to control the songs from the buttons on your steering wheel? Yes. I linked some sources for you, then you ask me if I have sour
66 AirPacific747: Well I am sure they are good. I would love to try them. Actually the VW Touareg that I got to testdrive did have xenonlamps, but I wasnt driving in i
67 Sv7887: Yes, and Lexus outsells Mercedes in the largest Auto market: The United States. Sales mean nothing anyway. Is the Toyota Yaris a better car than the
68 AirPacific747: That is like comparing apples and oranges. You cant say that a 737 is better than a 747 because it has sold more units.. you have to compare it to it
69 UAL777: Bose is good for mids...I prefer Klipsch though. For a car?......I'd go with Fosgate. This coming from someone who used to sell them.
70 Sv7887: Wrong again. Take a look at this picture from a 1994 Ford Thunderbird: http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/U...arreviewphotos/img/94113141991905/ Stee
71 Sv7887: Wrong again...Here is a review of the IS350 which is ALREADY on the road... http://www.automobilemag.com/2006_new_cars/0504_lexus_is350/ "Highlights
72 WhiteHatter: We have had the Avensis D-4D diesels here for a long time now, as well as the Avensis Verso which was a taller 7 seat semi-MPV version. Back to lexus
73 Flight152: So, it has been demonstrated that Ford was first with Steering Controls and that Lexus was FIRST to market with the iPod integration, Adaptive Headlig
74 AirPacific747: Perhaps, but look at this: http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2000/n21/lexus/INTERIOR%2004.jpg A lexus interior from the year 2000 and then: http:
75 AirPacific747: Yes, already on the road, but who did FIRST come up with this? Mercedes. Way before Lexus. Um that was introduced the the last S-class which came out
76 Sv7887: Actually you are WRONG: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=83157 Second Edition of a Best-Seller By Erin Riches Emai
77 AirPacific747: Actually YOU are WRONG! What the reviewer wrote was just what lexus calls them, since lexus can't both copy the same technology plus stealing the nam
78 AirPacific747: contradicting yourself again I see. You are telling me that Mercedes is for people who just want to show that they are rich.. that is definately bull
79 Sv7887: Proof? I don't think so. The 1999 does NOT have a rear view camera nor does it have adaptive headlights..I personally drove a S430 4 Matic last year
80 Sv7887: What are you talking about? Lexus had that feature on 1/03 ,SIX months before that BMW article was even written. Prove to me that a BMW model had tha
81 Lhrmaccoll: If I was shelling out for a Lux car i would head in the direction of a Audi dealership and pick up a W12 A8. My dad had one for a short while. That w
82 Sv7887: WRONG! http://www.lexus.com/models/ls/interior.html "The interior of the LS hosts an abundance of genuine leather and rich wood trim. Both the steeri
83 Lhrmaccoll: Sorry, I didn't realise they had started spending money on their Lexus range. They used to be heavier toyotas with Bose speakers in them, nothing more
84 GulfStreamGirl: Hello all, boy this thread sure took off lolz, anyways I checked out the GS 400 apparently it's not a local car which worries me. It's from the U.S so
85 PROSA: It is massively overpriced. While I don't know about Canadian prices, in the northeastern United States a 1999 GS 400 with 103K miles should go for a
86 FlyMIA: You want a real car? Get a Volkswagen Touareg. Best of both worlds. Car like drive on the highway and great off road capabilities as good as a Ranger
87 GulfStreamGirl: LoLz ,thx for your reply FlyMia i think a Toureg is a lil out of my price range, I'm really only looking to spend about $25,000 Cdn,that might get me
88 AirPacific747: right here: "Other features include: Xenon adaptive headlights, 3 stage heated front seats, retractable headlight washers, 17” alloy 330i rims, Pre
89 AirPacific747: proof? just like when you are comparing the Toyota Yaris with a Mercedes S-class um no.. did I ever say that? I have a right to express my opinion..
90 AirPacific747: Hey FlyMIA, I was lucky enough to get to testdrive one of those a few days ago, "only" with the smallest engine though (3,2 liters) It was really nic
91 Kerberos: Hey again GSGirl My last car was originally from the US (1991 Cougar LS) and I could not get rid of that thing if my life depended on it. No one here
92 GulfStreamGirl: Thx Peter, you're right about ICBC being a ripoff, I guess that's one advantage of having a monopoly "Eh",but I really like that Jaguar,with a few mod
94 Flymia: Yea the Treg is a great car. I never driven the V6, heard it was under powered but not to bad, VW is coming out with a new V6 with around 260hp. Also
95 Sv7887: So you are posting someone's AD for SELLING their Car??? Oh we know how accurate those are! Get me a link from BMW and I'll believe you... Shows how
96 AirPacific747: I would love to try the V10TDI! I have heard that the Touareg is actually pretty good off-road whereas other cars like the BMW X5 and the porsche cay
97 AirPacific747: lol you never give up do you? well then show me a link to a lexus website where they state that they invented adaptive headlights. bull. They tested
98 AirPacific747: taken from another interesting article: "While Night View Assist helps the driver see what's up ahead, the S-Class is also equipped with radar sensors
99 KaiGywer: Children children children....jeez.. Can't both of you just back down and accept that you have different opinions? AP747 especially, Sv7887 posts more
100 AirPacific747: don't use names? don't use names? what are you talking about.. he started by calling me a snob. Also a lot of his information is not based on facts b
101 Sv7887: You're WRONG again: http://www.edmunds.com/used/1998/mer...desbenz/sclass/14183/standard.html No Nav system there... http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/cont
102 AirPacific747: no you're wrong (again)! first of all thats not the previous s-class but the s-class my dad has from 1992. lol. and second. that isn't a mercedes web
103 AirPacific747: that doesn't prove that lexus used this before mercedes. Again this is bs. how about posting some actual facts? you still can't deny that I found two
104 KaiGywer: I have to agree with AP747 on the copycat tendency. When I first moved here, I saw many cars I thought were Mercedeses, but actually were Lexuses (Lex
105 KaiGywer: Either way, the OP decided not to buy the Lexus, so why keep fighting over who is best? Lexus is a good car. Mercedes is a good car. I'm driving aroun
106 AirPacific747: I don't really agree with it. Some of them are facts but they are not precise enough, like saying that pioneer invented the first navigation system f
107 Aerobalance: GSG - Buy a Honda, piss both of them off!
109 Sv7887: Um, no you didn't. You found me an AD from someone that claims that..Earlier you posted a link from BMW that was written in 7/2003 that touted this "
110 KaiGywer: Exactly Myself, I wouldn't buy a Lexus. Mostly because I'm not big on luxury cars, and would rather buy something sporty looking (oh, and that there
111 Sv7887: He doesn't agree with it because he knows he's wrong.. Evidence: ---- Here I have shown that a 1998 Mercedes S class does NOT have this system. (See
112 AirPacific747: um as far as I can see, my article is older than yours. not from august but from march. Lol you can't even provide me with a link that proves that yo
113 AirPacific747: lol that is because that s-class is TWO generations old, and you are comparing it to a newer Lexus..The s-class you posted a link to came out in 1992
114 AirPacific747: FACTS: " Mercedes COMAND NAVs by Bosch/Blaupunkt: from APS 1 to COMAND 2.5 Blaupunkt's first navigation patents were issued in 1978. In 1983 EVA (Elek
115 AirPacific747: then I show you a link to a fact that says that mercedes offered this for the first time in 1995... eagerly awaiting your response.. rotfl
116 Sv7887: You pointed me a subjective review which rated the SLK better than a 4 yr old SC430 on Ride...That says nothing about quality.. Yet I have posted to
117 Sv7887: " target=_blank>http://www.whnet.com/4x4/radios.html Origin of GPS NAV systems is provided here: 1978 NAVSTAR (Navigation System with Timing And Rangi
118 Sv7887: For All Readers: Let's Recap Shall We... We've determined the following things: Mercedes has invented it's fair share of technology including ABS. Mer
119 AirPacific747: Maybe not but we still know what the most popular car is. Also comparing those two cars is just as good as comparing an S-class from 1992 to a lexus
121 YOWza: I'm curious since you seem to be chirping at everyone else and the views on the cars they like and in my case own, what kind of car do you drive? YOW
122 KaiGywer: The Kelly Blue Book is very well known, but in case you can't find it. Click here At least he had the decency to apologize to the OP.
123 Sv7887: What does that have to do with Quality? You posted one review that said the SLK rides better than the SC..Nothing about Quality...What does Sales Num
124 Sv7887: That article says: Coming off its twelfth year of consecutive sales increases, Mercedes-Benz USA (MBUSA) today reported sales of 12,469 new vehicles
125 AirPacific747: Yes I know that. But this is about popularity, not the economy of the car manufacturer. We still have access to GPS. And the main subject was navigat
126 Sv7887: That is not what you said: IN your own Words: I said the above...You Countered with: Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48): And all of these things were o
127 UPS707: OK.... someone tell me why I'm here!!! This is like a soap opera... there's no point to the discussion anymore, it's verging on the ridiculous, yet I'
128 AirPacific747: [/quote] yeah so? whats your point? oh BS!!! again you are just trying to get around the fact that I am right that mercedes offered satellite navigat
130 Sv7887: Haha, Glad I could entertain you!!! That uses Kelley Blue Book retail Values. My little exercise was to prove to my friend that the residual of the S
131 AirPacific747: well if you had read further down, you would have noticed that navigation system was actually offered in that S-class (1995) way before lexus (1998)[
132 AirPacific747: yeah this is actually quite hilarious
133 AirPacific747: you calculated that based on your own assumptions. Find me the link you have been talking about and I'll believe you.. I have "only" been asking for
134 AirPacific747: take a look at this again. I mean how PATHETIC is that?? Lexus are doing nothing but copying mercedes. These pictures support this statement well. the
135 UPS707: Looks like I phrased it poorly, that's exactly what I was trying to say. He says exactly what you said, yet is perfectly happy using Mercedes GPS in
136 AirPacific747: http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...07.005&mercedes=1.html/country/gcf again some numbers.. unfortunately these are from last year. I am still tryi
137 AirPacific747: BS. The difference is not that great. You both know that Lexus wasn't the first one to come up with this idea. just like the interior/exterior design
138 UPS707: OK..... I really need some explanation on this. I see a 2002 Lexus SC430 and a 2005 MB SLK and you're telling me that Lexus copied MB???? Did I miss t
139 AirPacific747: compare it to the old SLK aswell. It still looks awfully similar to that car. Also what about the rest of the lexus cars? how are you going to defend
140 Sv7887: yeah so? whats your point?[/quote] {/b] Other than the fact you are wrong....Where is the Mercedes Hybrid? Where was the DVD NAV before 1998???? You
141 UPS707: " target=_blank>http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/pr...id=-1 Can't get it much simpler than this. There you have the cost new, and the current value
142 Sv7887: If you are too stubborn to read that then I can't help you. NO WAY you did NOT post those pictures again... Here we Go: You put a ES300/330 which deb
143 AirPacific747: As I have said a couple of times before but you obviously chose to ignore, Mercedes is testing a variety of different types of engines at the moment.
144 AirPacific747: the shape of the frontlights are definately taken from mercedes again. true enough. Have to agree with you on this. You seem to be very fair in your
145 AirPacific747: Apparently you are too stubborn to realize that there is a world OUTSIDE the US. or maybe you are just too narrowminded. Take the old e-class model.
146 AirPacific747: oh yes. ofcourse its better than the one mercedes is offering. again you are full of your biased s*** also funny how the website doesn't mention lexu
147 UPS707: Still not with you on that one. Sorry. Like I said though, it's an opinion thing, so we don't have to agree. Personally I'm not a fan of either of th
148 AirPacific747: true.. I was not too happy about the old slk anyway. The new one looks good though. But when I look at those headlights, I think they look the same..
149 Greaser: I prefer all german cars to any other.There's just a notable difference when you drive, and own one. In terms of maintenance, Lexus can be just as ex
150 AirPacific747: well said! I totally agree with you!
151 FlyMIA: And that Stock Corvettes will blow the Lexus away too. The 2006 Corvette Stocked and cheapest model you can buy 0-60 time is 4.4s that is better than
152 LOT767-300ER: Why are you girls arguing? Lexus like Mercedes are cars for women. If you want a real car look at a Audi S8 or BMW M5/6 No doubt about it that the Tou
153 Flight152: AirPacific-- That generation ES (2002) you posed was out way before the Mercedes CLS was even introduced (2006), I don't even know how you can use thi
154 Flight152: FLYMIA- Hate to break it to you but Volkswagen has never offered the W12 in the touareg, only the V6, V8 and V10. http://www.nctd.com/review-final.cfm
155 FlyMIA: Well first I am not a very serious off roader, so I dont want that Seven foot suspension or anything like that. I did know what a Lada Niva was though
156 ACB777: Gulf Stream Girl, Have you thought about buying a Honda or Toyota? For the amount you are willing to spend, you can buy a brand new Honda Civic (inclu
157 LOT767-300ER: Thats why people own F-150 Lightnings. G500? Please mate! I dont think any Touareg off a dealer lot can stand the beating that a Land Rover Defender
158 AirPacific747: haha well I started to love them the day I got to try one. The one I tried had keyless go. That means that you wont ever have to take the key out of
159 Dazultra: If you totally agree with him then you will see that the consumer reports say at the moment mercedes is a bag of shit, and lexus much better... http:
160 AirPacific747: no. What I meant was the before you buy a car, you have to get the particular car checked by a mechanic. By calling mercedes a bag of shit, you reall
161 Dazultra: ...and engine/gearbox problems, electrical faults, bad build quality.. the list goes on... If you check the link those results are from 2005, and con
162 AirPacific747: facts? thats because getting your car repaired at mercedes is so expensive and yes, they are not what they used to be, but they are waking up slowly
165 AirPacific747: where does it say that there are problems with the electronics, the gearbox and the engine?
166 FlyMIA: Trust me they have. Its not exactly a very popular car about 500 made and 300 of them go to Saudi Arabia. But I am sure that Volkswagen has made the
167 AirPacific747: I just checked the danish vw page and it offers me the W12 engine, so it is indeed available here aswell It costs around 350.000 $ for the basis mode
168 Sv7887: So much better quality?? WRONG http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/0...D-Power-2005-VDS-(resized-425).JPG You keep whining about this resale stuff..I
169 Sv7887: The GPS is a worldwide network, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. GPS, as you know, is used all over the world. It isn't a question of ac
171 AirPacific747: "late" thats the keyword. Mercedes had gps before lexus. Also this discussion was lexus vs mercedes, not hertz vs mercedes. Well if the weight data h
172 Sv7887: More on GPS: Lexus: http://www.lexus.com/models/ls/price_options.html Certain Lexus vehicles offer a touchscreen-operated navigation system [1] utiliz
173 AirPacific747: whats your point? this has nothing to do about who offered GPS first. but if that is how you want it: "Safety: Brake Assist with radar and latest-gen
174 Sv7887: You took 3 ISOLATED cases when JD Power takes THOUSANDS of case. Do I have to explain Statistics to you?? Here are WHOLE WEBSITES dedicated to Merced
175 Sv7887: Yet Lexus has an Eight Speed Transmission..What's your point? Sure can. http://www.lexus.com/models/ls/safety.html No car can predict accidents, but
176 AirPacific747: and it took me about 2 minutes to find those three links. Also this could be another reason why people are so satisfied with lexus: http://macenstein
177 AirPacific747: that the car isn't in production yet and the new s-class is already on the market.. thats my point.. its not that hard to get, is it? You gotta be ki
178 Sv7887: That's because you took PRIVATE Sale value. I took TRADE IN value on BOTH of our Screenshots. Dealers offer you trade in value. But anyway, let's use
179 AirPacific747: but it still only counts in the states.. it would look totally different in europe. the statistics you included are just a general opinion and not ve
180 StuckinMAF: .....and people in Hell want Ice Water, too.
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