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Man Rapes Stepdaughter As She's Dying  
User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6815 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

This is truly awful

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4743354.stm

A man who raped his unconscious teenage stepdaughter as she lay dying from a head injury has been jailed for nine years at the High Court in Glasgow.

McKee admitted raping Kerry Muchan, 14, in her Paisley home on 23 July, 2005 while she was unconscious.

Kerry died soon after the rape from a head injury caused by a fall.

Lord Philip said: "Any sentence I impose has to reflect the revulsion and horror society feels at this kind of behaviour."

Kerry was drunk and had fallen several times before she was raped.


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User currently offlineGulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

"Any sentence I impose has to reflect the revulsion and horror society feels at this kind of behaviour."

And all the a$$hole got was 9 YEARS?, wtf , that's unimaginable, may that animal get murdered in jail for his crime, maybe then justice will have prevailed, though I still don't believe that is good enough.

GulfStreamGirl



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3044 times:
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Raped her while she was slowing dieing, maybe already a painful death, how low could he go. Hope she didn't endure any more pain while what he was doing to her. Maybe someone also in jail will give him a piece of his mind for doing what he did to her

May she rest in peace


User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

WTF!!!!!!! Sick, sick, sick!


9 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The judge is having a laugh, right??!! 90 years isn't enough!

I'm not usually a violent person, but maybe this man should have an 'accident' whilst serving his time and come out in a wooden box after a slow and lingering death.

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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

I hope she was not aware of anything, may she rest in peace.  Sad


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 1):
"Any sentence I impose has to reflect the revulsion and horror society feels at this kind of behaviour."

And all the a$$hole got was 9 YEARS?, wtf , that's unimaginable, may that animal get murdered in jail for his crime, maybe then justice will have prevailed, though I still don't believe that is good enough.

Although horrifc and understandbly and undoubtedly sure to result in an emotional earthquake (like your reaction - and you are involved in the case), it is essential to recognise the emotional impact and to then put it aside in order to decide upon the facts rather than be blinded by the emotion. If emotion is not considered and thence put aside, further consideration thereof will result in an irrational sentence which is both unfair and unreasonable. Thus, emotion should be considered and thence put aside, in order to consider the facts and base a sentence thereon rather than being blinded by the emotion.



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User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

I hope the folks he's in jail with hear of his crime and return the favor. At least thats the way it works for child molestors and rapists in US prisons.


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Sick bastard!

Killing him would be too polite.

Quoting AGC525 (Reply 6):
I hope the folks he's in jail with hear of his crime and return the favor. At least thats the way it works for child molestors and rapists in US prisons.

Indeed!



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
If emotion is not considered and thence put aside, further consideration thereof will result in an irrational sentence which is both unfair and unreasonable.

Telling:

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 1):
may that animal get murdered in jail for his crime



Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
Maybe someone also in jail will give him a piece of his mind for doing what he did to her



Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Reply 3):
maybe this man should have an 'accident' whilst serving his time



Quoting AGC525 (Reply 6):
I hope the folks he's in jail with hear of his crime and return the favor.



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 7):
Sick bastard!

Killing him would be too polite.

Your replies, while understandable, are only a step before his horrific conduct.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Your replies, while understandable, are only a step before his horrific conduct.

True, but what do you expect for such a monster? An exotic Bahaman holiday?



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

It's a shame he didn't do it in Thailand or one of the Arab countries - he would have got a lot more than 9 years.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
True, but what do you expect for such a monster? An exotic Bahaman holiday?

Now you're being absurd. As I said, very eloquently:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
it is essential to recognise the emotional impact and to then put it aside in order to decide upon the facts rather than be blinded by the emotion. If emotion is not considered and thence put aside, further consideration thereof will result in an irrational sentence which is both unfair and unreasonable.


[Edited 2006-02-24 11:16:30]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Now you're being absurd. As I said, very eloquently:

Mate all I'm saying is; do good and expect good. Do bad and you get what you deserve. For every action there is an equivalent reaction, right?



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6815 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Sad to say, but you can only be sentenced against the law as it stands, not the lynch mob.

There is no better reflection of this than another recent case where someone who only had a provisional licence and no insurance, stole a car and ran over and killed a 3 year old girl. He got 12 weeks (yes, weeks) in prison, because there is no law for killing someone by dangerous driving over here. All his sentence was based on his driving offences, not his killing the girl.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/me..._at_sentence_for_death_driver.html

All of which makes me think that if you want someone killed in the UK, don't use a gun, just run them over. You probably won't even get locked up for it, if you're insured and stop to report it.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 12):
Mate all I'm saying is; do good and expect good. Do bad and you get what you deserve. For every action there is an equivalent reaction, right?

I disagree. The "reaction" is as important as the crime and thus requires absolute consideration - based on the facts, with the emotion considered but then put aside to avoid emotional blindness - rather than an irrational decision which is both unjust and unreasonable. Anyway, nice day here today.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 1):
And all the a$$hole got was 9 YEARS?, wtf , that's unimaginable, may that animal get murdered in jail for his crime, maybe then justice will have prevailed, though I still don't believe that is good enough.

He didn't kill her. May Christ be with you in your compassion.


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

She was 14 and so drunk that repeatedly fell and hit her head. Not an excuse to be raped, but certainly there is an indication of bad parenting IMO.

I am against death penalty, but it is difficult for me not to wish that his fate in prison will be the same as his stepdaughter's... Violence against children is intolerable. And one of the few things that make me forget any "compassion".

Alex


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 2):
maybe already a painful death, how low could he go. Hope she didn't endure any more pain while what he was doing to her.

Not at all, she was unconcious from the blow to the head and the mix of alcohol and drugs she had consume. I'd imagine it's one of the most painless ways to go! In no way am I condoning his actions but she was definitely not in pain. My question is how come a 14 year old girl, around her stepfather managed to get her hands on drugs and alcohol and consume enough to make her fall over repeatedly? If she was in that sort of state she must have taken a lot.


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

i hope he gets raped every day in prison. that will teach him.


That'll teach you
User currently offlineGulfStreamGirl From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

"My question is how come a 14 year old girl, around her stepfather managed to get her hands on drugs and alcohol and consume enough to make her fall over repeatedly?"

Maybe the fact she had been raised by a stepfather who would rape her.


"He didn't kill her. May Christ be with you in your compassion."


Yeah he just raped her, a 14 year old girl, there are a handful of countries where if you're convicted of rape, you Will get the death penalty, I guess my compassion is more with the victim in this case, not the perpetrator.

GulfStreamGirl



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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Your replies, while understandable, are only a step before his horrific conduct.

Pearson, while I can see your attempt to approach this rationally, under such irrational, horrific, animalistic circumstances, a rational approach is no use. 9 years jail sentence, I hope those 9 years will be filled and that he suffers pure hell there from his inmates every single night and day. Secondly, I find "only" nine years as being nearly just as criminal as the crime this "thing" (sorry, can't bring myself to refer to him as a 'person'). The judge is a total laugh! Thirdly, while I don't usually defend the death sentence, in these cases, and if we are 100% sure it was him, well maybe it's not such a bad idea. If not, what other punishment can be inflicted on this criminal. Is rehabilitation of a person who inflicts such a horrible crime on a youngster really possible?

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 16):
I am against death penalty, but it is difficult for me not to wish that his fate in prison will be the same as his stepdaughter's... Violence against children is intolerable. And one of the few things that make me forget any "compassion".

Flyingbabydoc, I am totally behind you in your feelings.

May she rest in peace.



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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

This thread is a brilliant illustration on why civilized countries decided to leave such judgements to judges instead of letting the mob decide. Even though some citizens suddenly seem to find the latter kind of countries surprisingly appealing when it comes to such cases.

The crime was disgusting, to say the least. And 9 years sound like a very mild sentence, indeed. But I do not know any details that may have influenced the judge in his decision, so all I can do is to suspect that there were good reasons for him to judge the man like he did.

After all, 9 years is a long time, and he can certainly not expect anything that will resemble an exotic Bahaman holiday in there.

And even if the sentence was too weak for my own moral standards: it is still by far the lesser evil to see such a man getting spared from a couple of additional years he may have deserved, compared to the lynch law that many here (as well as in countless pubs tonight, I am sure) would obviously prefer.


User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 16):
Violence against children is intolerable. And one of the few things that make me forget any "compassion".

Couldn't have put it better myself

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User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 1):
that animal



Quoting Toulouse (Reply 20):
animalistic

I beg to differ: animals would never commit such heinous crimes. Unfortunately mankind does on a regular basis!

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 21):

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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting RobertNL070 (Reply 24):
I beg to differ: animals would never commit such heinous crimes. Unfortunately mankind does on a regular basis!

Rape and murder happens all the time in the animal kingdom, we really arent that different.


25 AirbusA346 : This is just sick sick and wrong. He should get a lot more than 9 years. Tom.
26 767Lover : Bull-crap.
27 WhiteHatter : He's in for a very tough 9 years. Prisons are no happy camp for rapists, especially not those who rape children. This guy has hell coming. He'll end u
28 Pe@rson : Nonsense: most of the replies hitherto have shown a complete disregard for the feelings or life or anything else of the offender, like he showed very
29 Halls120 : I'm being completely rational in asking this rational question, I believe. WHat possible justification was there for the judge in this case to award
30 PROSA : Not only was the rape bad enough in its own right, but another factor to consider is that the man performed it instead of summoning the medical help t
31 Flyingbabydoc : Excellent point. I haven't thought about this, but it makes his negligence as a "father" even worse (not even discussing his crime). I do fell sorry
32 Pe@rson : Have you read or heard all the facts? No. Thus, are you able to dictate what it or what is not a proper sentence? No.
33 WhiteHatter : the tarriff system. The appeal court can revisit the sentence if the CPS decide it is too lenient. However emotion has to be taken out of the sentenc
34 Tbar220 : Dude, do you just go around the internet looking for stories of the most horrific crimes imaginable? You're gonna give yourself ulcers dude.
35 ANCFlyer : My thoughts exactly . . . Drunk, 14 years old, fell and hit her head? Damn sure a parenting problem - as evidenced by the ultimate raping of the girl
36 Oly720man : No need to look, they've been all over the tv and radio the past couple of days.
37 Halls120 : I'm not "dictating" anything. I was simply asking a logical question. Since the sentencing judge said "Any sentence I impose has to reflect the revul
38 Pe@rson : Re-read what Whitehatter said - the answer's there. Or I'll put it: Rape carries a maximum of life imprisonment in England and Wales (I'm not sure ab
39 PROSA : Except for the fact that the circumstances of this particular rape call for a much longer sentence than usual. Even overlooking the fact that the def
40 Post contains images Pe@rson : That's why it's almost double the average. Do you people ever read?
41 PROSA : Even if the average rape sentence is only four to six years this case merits something much longer than nine years given the factors I outlined in Re
42 Nancy : Having read the article it also seems like criminally negligent homicide at least. His actions reveal him to be an immense threat to civilized society
43 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Damn what a sick bastard **Joins the line to give him some & Lee
44 Pe@rson : You'd have to be clinically insane to believe that anywhere near the full facts were disclosed. Is that based on your extensive knowledge of criminal
45 LTBEWR : I am quite sure in all USA states a conviction upon similar chagres (rape of a minor) would get you FAR more than 9 years. Many of here in the USA are
46 Post contains images Pe@rson : A nice, sensible and rational decision.
47 Pe@rson : Yes. GENERALLY speaking, you serve roughly half of the sentence. I totally agree about it effectively being a life sentence. Your life would be drama
48 BMIFlyer : So what would you do??
49 YOWza : if you're ever in Glasgow make the short visit out to Paisley and you'll understand. Not exaclty the best side of town. YOWza
50 Toulouse : Of course, so let's just forget that the irrational decision taken by this criminal was totally unjust, unreasonable and thus unacceptable when he de
51 Post contains images Pe@rson : And he has been sentenced appropriately. Are you a lawyer? An academic? Do you have all of the facts to make a decision? Somehow I doubt it. Oooh...
52 Pe@rson : Read above.
53 MDorBust : A possible life sentance and he recieves nine years? With the compounding factors of neglecting to summon aid, the victim being a minor, and probable
54 Toulouse : I notice you happily quote large parts of my post but chose to ignore my request for an apology for your rude and uncalled for comments. And I though
55 Toulouse : Pearson, may I also ask you how close have you ever been to a victim of rape or other sexual abuse?
56 Smokescreen : A couple of questions, as I am no expert in the law, British or otherwise: Under what (if any) circumstances has the maximum life sentence ever been h
57 WhiteHatter : probably repeat offender. Judges are left to determine sentences from a tarriff list, which can be appealed if the CPS think it too lenient. However
58 SkySurfer : I read this on the BBC website at 7am this morning before i left for work and wondered just what a sh!tty world we live in. I got home from work at 5:
59 MDorBust : Not unless you operate under a different definition of Double Jeopardy. He was prosecuted for the rape, not for any other crimes that took place. He
60 Alphafloor889 : isent the penalty for rape to high anyways? I mean isen´t it worse to get really badly For example if you beat a person really bad, perhaps make that
61 Smokescreen : Oh, man. You might get flamed for this... I'll try and enlighten you - Rape is deemed a particularly heinous crime for a few reasons. Firstly, the ac
62 Gigneil : Very odd... in the United States this man would have been charged with both rape and murder, not just rape. N
63 Jean Leloup : As far as the victim's psychology is concerned, getting raped is far, far, far more damaging than being 'beat up really badly'. And it's just as bad,
64 Alphafloor889 : Yeah, you have some good points in that post. you always hear that the victim get pshycicaly tramatised after a rape. And sure, that is probably true
65 Jean Leloup : No. I'm sorry, but that's utter BS. I know you mean well, but that is simply not true. I have a hard time believing that this 'theory' is anything mo
66 MDorBust : My Sig'o is a rape counselor. Believe me, we're looking away from that theory.
67 Halls120 : Are the "mitigating factors" assigned by the judge a matter of public record, or in the UK system are they not released? I ask the following question
68 57AZ : The prayers of the wicked availeth nothing. While what the defendant was convicted of is certainly repulsive and heinous, to willfully pray or hope f
69 Toulouse : Alphafloor889, I, as somene else has pointed out, believe that your intentions are good, so I will refrain from flaming you! But please my friend, do
70 ZKSUJ : Not a good situation, may she rest in peace!!!
71 57AZ : It certainly does. I cannot recall the number of unfortunate events that have befallen rape victims. Many of them end up requiring mental health serv
72 Post contains images Legend500 : Well put. Considering Britian's violent crime rate in relation to ours, maybe they are onto something. Perhaps a system based on curing the individua
73 Halls120 : So how do your "cure" someone who rapes a helpless young girl who is powerless to defend herself?
74 Legend500 : Good point. Anyone who does something like that is clearly not sane. Hence, the answer is through some combination of psychotherapy, medication, accl
75 Scotty : The scumbag should have got life. Yet another example of how drink and drugs is slowly killing the west of Scotland and the courts arent big enough to
76 AR385 : "Neglect of providing aid" Is that a crime in the UK? and in how many states in the USA is that a crime? I see a quandary here: I do not believe this
77 United Airline : Only 9 years?????? That animal deserves a lot more than just 9 years. Asshole.......
78 BR715-A1-30 : It's a shame he did it in the first place... It doesn't matter where he did it or what punishment he WOULD have recieved. IT sickens me to hear about
79 Raffik : What a shocking story. How people can behave without any sense of morals is beyond me- how anyone could do this to ANYONE, let alone your own daughter
80 AirPacific747 : well said!! Fully supported by me!! Jail this asshole for life! It wouldn't even be punishment enough!
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