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Blair Says God Will Judge Him On Iraq  
User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2005 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4773124.stm

This guy disgusts me.

Thats all.

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting Scotty (Thread starter):
This guy disgusts me.

Thats all.

In all fairness, he's expressing a personal belief. He's completely entitled to do that. He's been elected three times with the population knowing full well he's a pretty strong Christian. He said God will judge him...pretty much everyone in the world who believes in a supreme being believes that.


User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

I dont think the our PM's done anything wrong at all. Muslim groups have already said its a disgrace, maybe if he said he will be judged by Allah they wouldn't mind eh??  hissyfit 

He's our PM as well as an individual, he can have his own beliefs, as 777236ER said, he's completely entitled to his opinion.

BP777



Forever Flight
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting Scotty (Thread starter):
This guy disgusts me.

Then he can come to America because we sure as hell appreciate him. This is his opinion and there isn't one thing wrong with that. I think he's completely right.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 1):
he's expressing a personal belief.



Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 2):
he's completely entitled to his opinion.



Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
This is his opinion

which is what this was....

Quoting Scotty (Thread starter):
This guy disgusts me.

personally i couldn't care less if he wants to receive short wave radio signals from a man upstairs


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 4):
personally i couldn't care less if he wants to receive short wave radio signals from a man upstairs

Why does this news disgust you all of a sudden?


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
Why does this news disgust you all of a sudden?

im not disgusted im indifferent for a change mate.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Surely this is no different that Osama telling people that "God" told him to crash planes into various buildings on 9/11?

I'm not disgusted with Tony's relevation, if he is praying to god then let him.



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 7):
Surely this is no different that Osama telling people that "God" told him to crash planes into various buildings on 9/11?

I'm not disgusted with Tony's relevation, if he is praying to god then let him.

The difference is Tony Blair didn't say 'God' told him to attack Iraq, he said he believes God will hold him to account.

I don't see what the fuss about. First and foremost, Blair was held to account by the public...he won the election.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 8):
The difference is Tony Blair didn't say 'God' told him to attack Iraq, he said he believes God will hold him to account

Ah sorry i was referring to this sentence in the report  Smile

"Are we really seeing over 100 coffins coming back (to the UK) because God told him (Mr Blair) to go to war?"



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 9):

"Are we really seeing over 100 coffins coming back (to the UK) because God told him (Mr Blair) to go to war?"

And judging from what Mr Blair actually said...no.

I'm surprised the media haven't made a bigger issue of his faith up to now, to be honest.


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

He just disgusts me. Always had, always will. A sanctimonious self righteous liar who has no regard for the sovereignty of Parliament.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting Scotty (Reply 11):
He just disgusts me. Always had, always will. A sanctimonious self righteous liar who has no regard for the sovereignty of Parliament.

How has he ever disregarded the sovereignty of Parliament?


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting Scotty (Reply 11):
A sanctimonious self righteous liar who has no regard for the sovereignty of Parliament.

Have you ever watched him in Parliament? Shit, I'm across the pond and I still am able to watch him get his ass handed to him on a weekly basis. I don't know how much more he could respect Parliament than to stick that out.

And when did he start lying? I would love to hear your opinions on him.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1372 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 2):
I dont think the our PM'srndone anything wrong at all. Muslim groups have already said its arndisgrace, maybe if he said he will be judged by Allah they wouldn'trnmind eh?? hissyfit

FYI your PM's God and arab's Allah is the same. You wouldn't know the difference.
English translation of Allah is God, but not just a translation, for Muslims Allah=God ie, father in the Holy Trinity of Christianity. Also Jews have the same God. It is a pity that these people fight in the name of religion even though they believe in the same GOD(even Jews), hardly any of them realise that.
But it is quite different from your Brahma(in case you believe).

And also the third commandment doesn't really encourge to use God's name for politics LOL.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

I'm with 777236ER on this one. All he's said is that his God will hold him to account, which is a personal view. As for the argument that he's disregarded Parliament, that's self-evidently nonsensical.

However, what I will say is that a while back we had a discussion on how the UK differs from the US in terms of any PM mentioning God in the way that any US President routinely does. Given the relatively inoccuous comments Blair made, you can clearly see the major difference, and the huge dislike and distrust here of any politician suspected to be a "God-botherer".



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21479 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

This statement simply says that he doesn't see himself accountable to the mere mortals who were just good enough to elect him. It's always been the last resort of the morally bankrupt. He's simply not man enough to face the consequences of his actions and is looking for a cop-out.

Disgusting, indeed.  yuck 


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
This statement simply says that he doesn't see himself accountable to the mere mortals who were just good enough to elect him.

That's making 2+2=5 if I ever saw it. He never said that at all. That's just a tabloid newspaper response.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Blair has run out of mortal supporters of his stance on and the war in Iraq, so now he's having to rely on those who can't answer back.

Andy


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1873 times:

If I can insert P.M. Blair in my RR he will be in the first place.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21479 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):
That's making 2+2=5 if I ever saw it. He never said that at all. That's just a tabloid newspaper response.

That is pretty much exactly what it means when an elected politician has put himself into an unjustifiable situation and finally makes a run for this particular religious escape hatch.


User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1868 times:

Quoting Scotty (Reply 11):
He just disgusts me. Always had, always will. A sanctimonious self righteous liar who has no regard for the sovereignty of Parliament.

But he's Scottish , surely he can't be that bad  Wink

Chris



Don't try to keep up with the Joneses - bring them down to your level !
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 1849 times:

While I have no problem with him being a Christian, or praying. What I do have a problem with is him using religion to justify his actions. Any action he takes is his action, and it is taken on behalf of the people of the United Kingdom, not God.


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13220 posts, RR: 77
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 1839 times:

Mountain out of a molehill, still he should not have done the offending interview.
If Campbell was still running his PR affairs he would not have done.

However, for whatever reason he agreed to be part of the threadbare coalition on Iraq, which I suspect went way beyond deposing Saddam/WMD's, he really should have resigned after no WMD's were found, in late 2003 or thereabouts, allowing time for Brown to get settled in and fight an election in 2005.
He may regret hanging on just too long, like another PM, Thatcher.
His party certainly does already.

However, had the Tories been in power, how exactly would their stance on Iraq have differed?
We all know the answer.

Who cares what the Lib Dems think? Their last major term in office had the most corrupt PM on the 20th Century-by a mile, one David Lloyd-George.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 1839 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 23):
Who cares what the Lib Dems think? Their last major term in office had the most corrupt PM on the 20th Century-by a mile, one David Lloyd-George.

In a hung Parliament - which I think the next election will result in - the Lib Dems will definately play a big role in affairs. Just what they're doing electing Ming Campbell is beyond me though...


25 MD-90 : God will hold him to account, and it will not be pretty.
26 Mir : To be fair, I'm pretty sure that happens to any PM, regardless of their views or party. And what's more, he has to do it (IIRC). I respect him for be
27 Scotty : He goes out of his way to hide it. I dont know why - he doesn't consider himself to be Scottish. The Labour party is full of power grabbing Scots who
28 Jaysit : Sure enough. But just imagine if every politician, Christian or otherwise, resorted to that line whenever he/she came under criticism? Using a divine
29 Post contains images SATX : 100% Blair doesn't come across like an honest guy, and this just plays into my long held view of him. If he had been able to stand up to Bush then ma
30 Banco : It's quite amazing the number of people here who feel free to comment on exactly what Blair was saying who won't have actually seen the interview. The
31 BCAL : (With acknowledgments to a joke found on the web, changing the character) Blair dies and goes to heaven. Of course, St. Peter meets him at the pearly
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