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My First Mugging  
User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1299 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

It just happened to me the other day in Montreal. I had just arrived by bus from Ottawa when I found myself in a rather secluded area in the metro station. The guy ahead of me on the escalator asked me if I had a quarter (yes, a quarter - in retrospect, I should have seen it coming), and I pulled out my wallet, at the same time thinking to myself this would be a good opportunity for him to steal my money if he were so inclined.

That's when he quietly told me he had a knife, and told me to give him my wallet. I was pretty scared, but I managed to ask if I could at least keep my ID. He said fine, and I was quickly pulling out all the relevant cards when I realized I should just give him all my cash. I did, and he quickly walked away. I didn't even look back at him as he left.

My heart pounding, I turned the corner and saw there were tons of people waiting for the train. I had no idea there were so many people so close, and I really don't know what I would have done had I known this.

All told I lost about $60-70, but was very glad to have kept my ID. I took out some money at the next ATM and was good to go. Not the greatest way to be greeted to Montreal (it was my first time there), but I ended up having a great weekend in the city.

So, how would you have acted in that situation?

[Edited 2006-03-06 01:10:01]


You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
So, how would you have acted in that situation?

I don't carry change in my wallet - or cash either for that matter . . . but for the sake of the thread:

Opened my wallet, in plain view, allowed my badge to become visible, and then asked the mugger why he brought a knife to a gun fight.


You did just fine, and to followup: Did you give a description to the authorities? I trust you contacted them ASAP?

[Edited 2006-03-06 01:22:18]

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3087 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Oh...maybe next weekend you can to to Toronto and have your second Mugging....  hyper 

GS

p.s you did exactally what you should have.....The little money in your wallet is not worth injury or death..



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Did you give a description to the authorities? I trust you contacted them ASAP?

You'll probably be disappointed by this, but no I didn't. I guess the adrenaline was going so fast that I barely remember what he looked like - I know he was a man, wearing a coat, but that's about it. I don't think there's any way the police could ever find the guy based on my description, so I just didn't see how reporting it could be of any possible benefit.



You know the gear is up and locked when it takes full throttle to taxi to the terminal.
User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

You did the right thing giving him the money, but the wrong thing pulling your wallet out in the first place (by your post it sounds like you realised that). If anyone ever asks me fpr change I tell them no, I certainly wouldn't get my wallet out in front of a stranger.

Sorry to hear about your experience, I hope you're not expecting it to happen again (based upon the thread title!).

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
So, how would you have acted in that situation?

First of all, I feel very sorry that you had to live through this and I'm very happy it turned out OK.

I keep my change and money in my pockets and I have a $10 with tape on it to weight it down for exactly this purpose. I would have pulled out the quarter he requested, "clumsily" dropped it to distract him as I stepped back to give myself little extra buffer as I put my hand on my revolver. Then if he told me he had a knife, I would say I only had $10 and he was welcome to it and use the other hand to take it from my pocket and drop it, too. Small price to pay to avoid having to escalate the situation.

If he persisted, I would have told him I have a gun and my hand is already on it and he should not come any closer because I am prepared to use lethal force to protect myself if necessary. If he shows the knife at that point, he gets a 210-grain slug ventilating his vital organs at 1100 feet per second, and I place a call to 911 and tell them someone has been shot and needs an ambulance, then I call my attorney. After that, someone else calls for cleanup on aisle 4.

I understand that you live in a place where you would not be allowed to defend yourself or your family if the situation in this instance had become violent (he actually produced the knife), and I feel very sorry for you in that respect. If you have no counter-knife training, all you can do is run and hope he's not faster.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Opened my wallet, in plain view, allowed my badge to become visible, and then asked the mugger why he brought a knife to a gun fight.

Way to go  bigthumbsup 



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

A346Dude, you did the right thing. Your life is what matters and not money. Unless you have the sort of training that someone like ANCFlyer has, you don't exactly know what you are up against and it's better to NOT resist.

Never carry more than $5.00 in your wallet and keep the rest in either your pocket or a money belt. The same goes for your credit and debit cards.

I wish you hadn't had to go through this experience, but it happens. Be glad you're safe and will awake in the morning to greet another day.


User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 5):
I understand that you live in a place where you would not be allowed to defend yourself or your family if the situation

You would be able to in Florida with that stupid gun law .



Avoid hangovers, stay drunk.
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3087 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

There is nothing in my wallet worth shooting someone over.........Including cash, Bank card, credit card, etc....

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

I was mugged for 50 pence once........mug me now and i'll kick your arse, or i'll die trying. I don't care how hard you look or how big you are, i've taken a few self defence lessons and i've been taught by my US Marine friend how to fight dirty. I'll do everything i can to put whoever on the ground, i'm not going to be someone's bitch ever again, even if it means my life......i mean it.

Cheers



In the dark you can't see ugly, but you can feel fat
User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 9):
There is nothing in my wallet worth shooting someone over.........Including cash, Bank card, credit card, etc....

Mine, either. That's why I said....

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 5):
If he shows the knife at that point

Showing the knife confirms his intent to do myself or someone else harm. It also can justify my use of force to protect myself.

Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 8):
You would be able to in Florida with that stupid gun law .

Actually, more than just Texas and Florida (sorry, 2004 is the most up-to-date map I can get right now):



User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
don't carry change in my wallet - or cash either for that matter . . . but for the sake of the thread:


Opened my wallet, in plain view, allowed my badge to become visible, and then asked the mugger why he brought a knife to a gun fight.

why do you carry a wallet?
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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7367 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1711 times:
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I almost got jacked in the airport at CDG about 4 years ago. Scared the hell out of me.  Sad

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting AAden (Reply 13):
why do you carry a wallet?

Ummm . . . .

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
allowed my badge to become visible

 biggrin 

Plus business cards, driver's license, EMT Card, blah, blah, blah . . .

Cash in left front pants pocket . . . always.


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Cash in left front pants pocket . . . always.

Ditto.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 1642 times:

I had a passenger on a train try to mug me, about 9 years ago, but unfortunately for him I was in a bad mood with the train being late, and the weather being $hit. I was on my way home on christmas leave at the time.

Let's just say he didn't get off the train looking like he did when he got on.  Wink

Fool!!


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Thread starter):
So, how would you have acted in that situation?

Why did you pull out your wallet when he asked for a quarter?

I would have responded "no" when he asked me for money. If I had the opportunity to run - sounds like you didn't - I would have. If cornered, I would have given up the wallet like you did.

The closest I came to getting mugged was a few years ago in Curacao. Saw two guys casing me from across the street as I walked back to my hotel. I looked at both of them with the idea I knew what they were up to, and that I'd either run or defend myself. Once I made eye contact with them, they turned around.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months ago) and read 1610 times:
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 18):
The closest I came to getting mugged was a few years ago in Curacao. Saw two guys casing me from across the street as I walked back to my hotel. I looked at both of them with the idea I knew what they were up to, and that I'd either run or defend myself. Once I made eye contact with them, they turned around.

Been in similar situations. Sometimes I actually pull a "can I help you?".

I have no law enforcement experience but looking at the situation described in this thread and some other observations/experience it looks like these guys count on surprising people a good amount of the time. Taking that element away can't hurt. Situational awareness is always valuable.



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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Did you give a description to the authorities? I trust you contacted them ASAP?

with what purpose? We all know authorities don't do anything in these cases.....

Very sorry to hear of your story A346Dude...you were DEFINETLY lucky though. My brother was mugged by 5 guys at a gas station. Not only mugged but beat up also. Of course it was reported to the "authorities", bla bla bla....to this day, have YET to do anything to the guys. Seems like "authorities" nowdays are just good for giving speeding tickets....

[Edited 2006-03-06 06:05:37]

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 20):
We all know authorities don't do anything in these cases.....

Wrong!  Yeah sure

If you don't report it, they won't do anything, because they won't know about it.



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 18):
I have no law enforcement experience but looking at the situation described in this thread and some other observations/experience it looks like these guys count on surprising people a good amount of the time. Taking that element away can't hurt. Situational awareness is always valuable.

You are absolutely right. That is why I never use my ipod in a public place where I might be singled out as a likely target.


User currently offlineAviationmaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Normally, when people come up to me and ask me for money, I tell them that I'm out of cash. But in your situation, I would've probably done the same.

The closest I've ever been to being mugged, was with a friend of mine, after we had just left the pub at 1 o'clock in the morning. After walking a few meters, an African guy approached us from behind and grabed both of us by our necks. At first we tought he was just drunk, but a few seconds later he was asking for money.

I then tried to explain to him that i didn't have any, but he insisted. Then he told us that his friends were waiting at the other side of the street if we would not comply - unfortuantly he wasn't joking. On the other side of the street, five huge Africans were waiting for him to give a sign and come to beat us up.

Luckily we were both able to free ourselves, when we took advantage of the guy being distracted for a split second and then we ran away as fast as we could. What made the situation even worse, was that we heard him give the signal to his friends.

After running for a few minutes, not knowing if we were being chased or not, guess where my friend and I ended up? In a Neonazi bar. Big grin One guy approached us and asked us what the problem was, and after explaining what had just happened to us, he actually wanted to go out and look for the guys with some of his friend.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
and then asked the mugger why he brought a knife to a gun fight.

 rotfl 

That made me rally laugh out loud!  bigthumbsup 

Patrick


User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Sorry, but reading this title, I was expecting a story about how YOU mugged someone for the first time.

Not a laughing matter I know, and i'm glad you're okay! Those situations can go wrong so easily as he was probably just as nervous as you were. You did the right thing handing everything over.


25 Post contains images YooYoo : thanks for the information and KROC thought you were happy to see him last year !! All you lost was $70. Good job. Sounds like you kept your head. I
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Who is "WE ALL" . . . .
27 Erikwilliam : that´s the good thing about Brasil, we don´t have this kind of problems.. dude, why didn´t u scream, or ran, I mean, if at least he had a gun... n
28 L-188 : Actually I do know one person who when asked by the Anchorage Police Department "What Happened" said that the perp had brought a spoon to a gunfight.
29 Gary2880 : should see the kind of nutters, homeless junkies, drunks and twats a 30,000 quid TV camera attracts when your out on the street filming gvs or vps. no
30 A346Dude : Well, I figured that since no one was around anyways, if he was looking to steal my wallet he might just demand it after I declined him the quarter.
31 Msllsmith : I went back to check your age. I think you did OK for your first mugging. When I moved to Bed-Sty which is crummy neighborhood in Brooklyn, when I was
32 DL021 : dude, you did the right thing under the circumstances and you seemed to keep your head. just be more aware in the future and make sure you stick to p
33 Post contains images StuckinMAF : Since the dynamics of the discussion have changed a little bit and have taken on a more hypothetical tone, I'll expand on my earlier post. Then unfort
34 AR385 : When I went to gun class, the first lesson was to learn how to use your gun. The second lesson was to never take it out unless you are going to use it
35 Post contains images SATX : Wow. Sometimes I wonder if you're just reading from a script. If multiple people start reporting muggings in the same area then maybe a cop might adj
36 Msllsmith : First.......... if you are assaulted...... go the POLICE and REPORT it. Let them know about it so they CAN deal with it. Even hypothetically speaking
37 ANCFlyer : Wow, most times I don't give a shit what you wonder?
38 SATX : I agree completely. Keep cool, don't try to be a hero unless you're going to lose more than some pocket money. Cash can be replaced, cards can be can
39 StuckinMAF : Good post. You make a lot of valid points for those who are not ready to take on the responsibility of firearms ownership. Being as I consider myself
40 Post contains images AC773 : ANCFlyer, you might like this: This happened about a year and a half ago to 5 cops from Baltimore. They were all off duty, and had spent an evening ou
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