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Having Fuzzbuster = Guranteed Ticket?  
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2031 times:



I was just wondering about this the other day. If you have a radar detector ("fuzzbuster"), does it bias an officer against you? I.e. If you get pulled over and the officer sees one of those on your dash, is he more likely to write you up?

ANC, what are the little things like this that ensure the poor sap you've pulled over is gonna get it?  Silly

Steve

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User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

It sure seems to me that having a radar detector would tend to make unhappy at least a substantial fraction of police officers. Just about all of my friends think otherwise though, so I don't really know...

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

I've had many police officers as friends over the past 30 years. Many times they've said that seeing a radar detector changed their mind. Instead of the violator getting a verbal or written warning, the radar detector got the violator a ticket instead.

Mark


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
I was just wondering about this the other day. If you have a radar detector ("fuzzbuster"), does it bias an officer against you? I.e. If you get pulled over and the officer sees one of those on your dash, is he more likely to write you up?

Yes.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

These devices have always been curious to me, having grown up and learning to drive in a state where it was actually illegal for the legislature to buy radar units for the highway patrol (California--don't know if that's true any longer).

When I was driving around the east coast this winter I asked a friend why she didn't have one, and she said they were pretty much useless these days since the cops have gone to point-and-shoot radar--once it registers on your Fuzzbuster you're basically caught.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3076 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

It will cost you a speeding ticket...plus a 350 dollar fine as they are not legal here. JUst having it whether it is on or not will get you busted.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Well assuming it's legal (such as it is in Washington), it can give you a bit of a heads up that the Fuzz is tagging cars up ahead of you.

But if he does pull you over, that may just cause him to err on the side of the ticket instead of a warning. Basically it seems like Mark and MDOrBust are confirming what I thought. Interesting..

So the trick is, have the Fuzzbuster, avoid getting pulled over; but if you do, hide it before the cop gets to your window?  Big grin


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 6):
So the trick is, have the Fuzzbuster, avoid getting pulled over; but if you do, hide it before the cop gets to your window?

A friend of mine had one installed in his new car, the unit itself was hidden in the body of the car, the display was built into the tachometer - pretty tricky if you ask me!



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3076 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Ok i just got off the phone with a good friend who is a cop...She said , forget the illegal part, She would hit the person with the biggest ticket she could write.......No breaks no reductions.....Which is big because she always reduces the tickets she writes(if people think they are getting a deal they are less likely to fight it and she does not have to go to court)

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 6):
So the trick is, have the Fuzzbuster, avoid getting pulled over; but if you do, hide it before the cop gets to your window?

Mind the suction cup circles on the windscreen... Dead give away.


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Wow.. so why do so many people have them if the cops come down on you that hard for having them? In in areas where they're completely legitimate, it seems like the PoPo don't take to kindly to them.

So unless you can be sneaky like SearPqx's friend, you're gonna get creamed!  Wow!


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
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Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 10):
Wow.. so why do so many people have them if the cops come down on you that hard for having them? In in areas where they're completely legitimate, it seems like the PoPo don't take to kindly to them.

Because they don't like for you to possess a device intended for the sole purpose of evading the law. They feel like you intended to speed and planned for it in advance. It sort of irritates them.

Put yourself in their shoes.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
These devices have always been curious to me, having grown up and learning to drive in a state where it wasactually illegal for the legislature to buy radar units for the highway patrol (California--don't know if that's true any longer).

The CHP now uses radar, been a slow process since starting in the early 80's whenthe counties purchased them for use on county roads. During my career if I saw a radar detector, it was an automatic ticket. Working the freeways without radar was like fishing, some days you catch a few and other days oh well, now with radar they have taken the sport out of it. In some states like Virginia it is illegal even to have a radar detector in your car working or not.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13792 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 5):
It will cost you a speeding ticket...plus a 350 dollar fine as they are not legal here. JUst having it whether it is on or not will get you busted.

GS

Here they are illegal. Additional to the speeding ticket, the cop will confiscate the radar detector and report you for operating an illegal radio reception device: Another fine.

Jan

Correction: You can own such a detector, but you are not allowed to operate it. If police finds one in your car they will confiscate and destroy it.

[Edited 2006-03-07 04:45:01]

User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5392 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Because they don't like for you to possess a device intended for the sole purpose of evading the law. They feel like you intended to speed and planned for it in advance. It sort of irritates them.

This line of reasoning has always amused me; police purport that radar is used to promote safety (when in fact it is nearly always a revenue-production device).

Most frequent justification for radar use is that it is valuable to reinforce speed limit compliance in locations where speed has created greater-than-normal hazards; hence, my use of my "threat warning receiver" is purely to ensure I am aware of hazardous locations. Really!

Joking aside, most radar/laser traps are hazardous locations, because drivers see the radar/laser operator and get "stuck on stupid," jump on brakes and generally make hazards of themselves.

The hypocrisy of radar and laser ("LIDAR") use is amusing.

Since the vast majority of radar / laser units are purchased by insurance companies and donated to law enforcement agencies, you can "do the math" to figure the end game. Speeding tickets are an easy way for insurance carriers to justigy increased rates without a concomitant increase in true risk; hence, a fine investment for the insurer.

As for me, I have noticed no measurable difference in whether I get a ticket when pulled over based upon presence or absence of radar threat warning receiver; I always get the ticket (with one exception from distant, misty past). In my experience, if a peace officer takes the time to make a stop, they write the citation... none of which offends me, as it is just a business transaction these days, anyway.

As for instant-on radar, it is still not a big threat for users of quality detection equipment; I typically know about radar 3-5 miles before being in range; in addition, of course, I never crest a hill at speed, all by myself. That is making a strong request for a citation.

Irony for me is, I rarely haul butt anymore anyway; I bought the Valentine One (best of such devices money can buy) for highway travel, and I rarely do long-haul highway trips anymore. Instead, I use Beech Bonanza, in which speeding is expected and welcomed by the officials!



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1859 times:
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Quoting SCCutler (Reply 14):
Joking aside, most radar/laser traps are hazardous locations, because drivers see the radar/laser operator and get "stuck on stupid," jump on brakes and generally make hazards of themselves.

For a quick study in paranoia, get in a cop car and follow somebody for a few blocks  Smile 5 mph under the speed limit, stops forever at stop signs etc...  Smile I was meeting an officer for a career fair, and she was late getting there because people were going 45 mph in a 55-zone just because she was driving a marked squad. That and people that won't go before a cop on a four way stop sign. "Black and white fever".



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

My fiance's fuzzbuster simply failed to do its job on a trip from Florida to ATL. We got pulled over, the cop saw the device and chuckled and made some comment like, "Good thing you had one of those, huh."

User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

I nail plenty with 'em, but attitude is the deciding factor. Besides, LIDAR is much more fun. When the laser detector sounds, its just to tell you to start looking for a place to pull over.  biggrin 

User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Here in Texas, speeding tickets are nothing but revenue enhancements for the local county or city. These tickets are shameful ways to extract money out of citizens and very little to do with safety.

I've seen my share of small cities make a killing on the interstates and other thruways with horrible speed traps. It's probably the only way these stupid little towns get any money to pay their overpaid and underworked police forces. Hey cops, why don't you try fighting real crime instead of nabbing the mom with two kids going 77 in a 70? Because it is easier, and they make money!



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
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Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
I've seen my share of small cities make a killing on the interstates and other thruways with horrible speed traps. It's probably the only way these stupid little towns get any money to pay their overpaid and underworked police forces. Hey cops, why don't you try fighting real crime instead of nabbing the mom with two kids going 77 in a 70? Because it is easier, and they make money!

Because there is no real crime in these little towns...lol, just kidding.

Now, did the mom going 77 get a ticket? Probably not. The cop did, however, get a chance to look for drugs, warrants, drunks, suspended license etc.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Now, did the mom going 77 get a ticket? Probably not.

Yes, that mom did get a ticket. That mom is my sister in law.



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User currently offlineScott2187 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 15):
I was meeting an officer for a career fair, and she was late getting there because people were going 45 mph in a 55-zone just because she was driving a marked squad. That and people that won't go before a cop on a four way stop sign. "Black and white fever".

i love when i see that on an interstate. i proceed to pass the cop, and the other car (maintaining the actual speed limit of course). most of the time the cop will come and follow me for a while, then pass me. i make sure to give them a smile and a wave when they pass.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
Hey cops, why don't you try fighting real crime instead of nabbing the mom with two kids going 77 in a 70?

Yeah, don't stop the people putting their children in an unsafe situation...



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
Hey cops, why don't you try fighting real crime instead of nabbing the mom with two kids going 77 in a 70? Because it is easier, and they make money!

 redflag   redflag   redflag 

Whatever. Everyone who gets a ticket thinks they don't deserve it. Last I checked, 77 > 70. Yeah, its a little nitpicky, but still stands. DPS popped my dad for 5 over (but he wasn't cited).

Fact is, me and my ilk make a boatload of "real" cases off traffic (i.e. dope, warrants, DWI). Do those count as "real?" Or is "real" limited to murder and rape, which happen a fraction of a percent as much as traffic violations? Sounds to me as if someone's just pissy that they (or in this case, their family member) got a ticket.  hissyfit 

Hey violator, why don't you try driving the speed limit, especially if you're hauling two kids around?


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
Here in Texas, speeding tickets are nothing but revenue enhancements for the local county or city.

Here in Texas, the percentage of annual income a city can recieve from traffic violations is capped. Ergo, the smaller the tax base, the less the city/town can recieve from citiations.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
It's probably the only way these stupid little towns get any money to pay their overpaid and underworked police forces

Okay then... yeah. Most of those small town police officers make 18 or less a year, and are usually the only officer in the county. That means no days off, no vacations, and if something happens in the middle of the night, no sleep either. They are usually also the volunteer fire department... for the surrounding three counties.

Instead of speeding trough small towns, try stopping for some chow and chat. Life isn't always what it appears to be from the interstate.


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