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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

So it appears students are rioting outside the sorbonne against the french state.

Setting up a camp fire and having the CRS (swat team) throw tear gas at them.

From what I heard some people may have been hurt.

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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Any reasoning specifically for this? Is this group of students wanting thier cartoons back?

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Checked it on TF1 WEBsite. Looks like a conflict between students all over France on one side and the government on the other side. "Riots" is a strong term in a way, as it is, at least at present, just a matter of "higher education institutes" in France. Looks as if the government wants to tighten the regulations in various respects.

User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 2):
"Riots" is a strong term in a way

Probably right, setting up bon fires and having the SWAT team gas me is a typical tuesday morning.  yes 


User currently offlineHatTrick From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 1):
Any reasoning specifically for this? Is this group of students wanting thier cartoons back?

Something about a picture of the Prophet Mohammad eating a pulled pork sandwich.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4865 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Guess it's true what the Lebanese say, Paris is the Beirut of Europe  Wink

YOWza



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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting HatTrick (Reply 4):
a pulled pork sandwich.

Remind me not to stand too close to you anymore.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

It wouldn't be France if the students weren't rioting.

 Wink


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 5):
Guess it's true what the Lebanese say, Paris is the Beirut of Europe

"They say Beirut is the Paris of the Middle East. Does that mean Paris is the Beirut of Europe? Or is that an insult to Beirut?" - Michael J. Totten



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1962 times:

The students are protesting against new legislation that makes it easier to fire young people. (To our American friends: In Europe we have laws against firing people  Wink ). The legislation is supposed to reduce youth unemployment, which is very high in France. But the French always protest against anything seen as a social cut, that way they will fail in the globalisation.

Besides, I don't know if the CRS can really be compared to SWAT. The CRS seems to be more a riot police and also does patrols in cities. But maybe somebody from France can explain it better.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1960 times:

What has Teahan been upto?!

Edit:

Watching the people get lairy
Is not very pretty I tell thee
Walking through town is quite scary
And not very sensible

La-ah-ah, la la lalala la
Ah-ah-ah, la la lalala la

I predict a riot, I predict a riot
I predict a riot, I predict a riot

And if there's anybody left in here
That doesn't want to be out there

I predict a riot, I predict a riot
I predict a riot, I predict a riot

[Edited 2006-03-11 10:45:46]


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
The students are protesting against new legislation that makes it easier to fire young people. (To our American friends: In Europe we have laws against firing people ).
That's why Europe has such high unemployment. Employers will resist hiring people if they they are not sure they will need them permenantly. They calculate that it is better to do without.

Legislation making it expensive to fire people has been pushed by the powerful French trade unions as part of their strategy to ensure high unemployment and thus fear in the workforce, and thus high membership in unions, all while making it look to the typical airhead that the union is "looking after the workers".

[Edited 2006-03-11 11:01:35]

User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3174 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Did you cause this; as you happen to be in Paris at the moment.


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):

I don't think it is that simple. I read research where some people made econometric analyses of factors contributing to unemployment. They found that strict employment laws are not a cause. You also have to keep in mind that there were times when the US has high unemployment and Europe low unemployment, despite those laws.

Unemployment over here has a lot of other things contributing to it. Lack of education and skills, high taxes and high non-wage labour costs, too much welfare, buerocracy etc.


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
The students are protesting against new legislation that makes it easier to fire young people. (To our American friends: In Europe we have laws against firing people Wink ).

Well, to be correct - in many European countries we have laws against firing people.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
That's why Europe has such high unemployment. Employers will resist hiring people if they they are not sure they will need them permenantly. They calculate that it is better to do without.

That - to put it mildly - is wrong . While the neo-classical approach to labour market theory may suggest this, there is no empirical evidence.

pelican


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 9):
The students are protesting against new legislation that makes it easier to fire young people

Not exactly.
The gvt invented a new type of contract for young people, who will be in try-out period during 2 years. During this time they can be fired without motivation.
For the usual contracts, the try-ouy period is 3 or 6 months. After that, an employer is allowed to fire an employee for a good reason: lack of work to do, (real) financial problems, severe fault from the employee, and it's usually with an indemnity.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):
a typical tuesday morning

not exactly. But at least up to now it has been restricted to the universities

Quoting YOWza (Reply 5):
Guess it's true what the Lebanese say, Paris is the Beirut of Europe

been in Beirut lately ? it is a tremendous city again, in many ways better than before 1975

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
It wouldn't be France if the students weren't rioting.

I quite well remember US-American students rioting during the War in Vietnam. True, since then, the USA in politics apparently has moved somewhat to the right, so that Richard Milhous Nixon might be regarded as an American Socialist

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 15):
The gvt invented a new type of contract for young people, who will be in try-out period during 2 years. During this time they can be fired without motivation.
For the usual contracts, the try-ouy period is 3 or 6 months. After that, an employer is allowed to fire an employee for a good reason: lack of work to do, (real) financial problems, severe fault from the employee, and it's usually with an indemnity.

what exactly is the reason that it looks as if being primarily an object of opposition for the students, rather than the trades-unions ?


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 14):
That - to put it mildly - is wrong . While the neo-classical approach to labour market theory may suggest this, there is no empirical evidence.

Neo-classic is a theory with useless mathematic complications that does work in a fictional world, but not in the real world.


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):

Neo-classic is a theory with useless mathematic complications that does work in a fictional world, but not in the real world.

I wouldn't be that harsh...  Wink

pelican


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

It's about new employment laws that will make it easier to sack younger employees

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4795648.stm


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Thread starter):
So it appears students are rioting outside the sorbonne against the french state

If they don't like the French State they should leave it, French citizens or not!

Wassup? they banned charity shop clothes, gauloise and a smug expression on campus?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 20):
they don't like the French State they should leave it

A) who says they dislike France ? they fight against what they perceive, rightly or wrongly, as a deterioration
B) is everybody in NewZealand forced by law to "like" the NZ state ? or leave if not ?
C) is NewZealand offering political asylum to "dissident" French students ? and maybe places at NZ universities ? (combined with a state stipendium of course, and free lodging)
-
 scratchchin   duck   scratchchin   duck   scratchchin 


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
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Quoting HatTrick (Reply 4):
Something about a picture of the Prophet Mohammad eating a pulled pork sandwich.

Is pulled pork halal? I'd have thought chopped pork instead, but what do I know?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
It wouldn't be France if the students weren't rioting.

Wow, I love it when stereotypes prove right. Or not.

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 19):
It's about new employment laws that will make it easier to sack younger employees

Yeah, so they might have to show up and actually work or take a chance on being fired! That's terrible, they should riot for their right to get paid for halfassing it through life.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 22):
they might have to show up and actually work or take a chance on being fired! That's terrible, they should riot for their right to get paid for halfassing it through life.

so, you mean that former students in France tend NOT to show up at workplaces and NOT to work and to "halfass" through life ? well, I am of course well aware of the deep love between US-Americans and French !

[Edited 2006-03-11 23:49:27]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 23):
so, you mean that former students in France tend NOT to show up at workplaces and NOT to work and to "halfass" through life ? well, I am of course well aware of the deep love between US-Americans and French !

To be fair I was speaking as one who was raised part time in France and has friends and family who currently live there, where I visit a few times per year.

There is an unfortunately large subculture in France where students and young people in general tend to feel obligated to make demands of society, and they express their displeasure with any demands placed on them by rioting or striking. Engage in a conversation with the average French student and find out for yourself whether they expect to be taken care of or they expect to take care of themselves.

I love France. I'll be back there later this year, and will probably buy a house there in the next couple of years. I will also speak the truth. They have 10% unemployment not because the average person is incapable of working, or that there aren't jobs, but because it's too easy to stay unemployed. The benefits earned by unemployment are too good. There are too many 'black money' jobs available where a person pays no taxes (if you counted the jobs people have that dodge taxes unemployment would be several points lower).

This culture is indemic in secondary and post secondary students who expect to be taken care of and don't like discipline or additional demands placed on them. The mere fact that they are burning stuff and inviting the Police Nationale to launch CS and pepper gas their way is simply more evidence of this. They have bad habits and no one wants to correct them.



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25 Post contains images Jafa39 : They do Against tends to mean a form of dislike is inherent in the arguement that they are supporting by the riot. Certainly in the South Island, the
26 ME AVN FAN : ok, that is true enough. It sounded a bit "general" in your post. You know as well as I do that the French usually regard themselves as "individualis
27 Thorben : They are protesting against some legislation. Why should they leave France? Besides, these are not the "French" from the suburbs, in case you thought
28 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : also had that impression -- by the way he put his "phrasing" !
29 WorldVoyager : I sure chose an interesting semester to study abroad in Paris. I haven't had class in three weeks because of the student strikes (human chains in the
30 YOWza : I was just making a historical joke. I was in Beirut twice last year and loved it. Great nightlife, some beautiful places and friednly people. YOWza
31 DL021 : I agree with that. I apologize for giving that impression. Sometimes language and cultural barriers make it difficult to understand each others true
32 Jafa39 : If you get deported from NZ you go back to your home country. I think its sad that Paris has to accept such BS from students, who are preventing thos
33 ME AVN FAN : These students in Paris however ARE in their home-country, and so can neither "go back" nor be "deported" to anywhere. It is "native" French and not
34 DL021 : Well, to be very fair the universities in Paris are full of foreigners who come to study at the highly respected institutions located there. These stu
35 ME AVN FAN : there of course are many foreigners in these universities, but for sure a definite French majority. I do NOT believe for a moment that the foreigners
36 Toulouse : Yes, but it's also a new employment law to "promote" the employment of younger employees. That's important to note. It's simply a new type of contrac
37 DL021 : I certainly did not intend to infer that the native French students were being led astray by foreign influence, merely to point out that there are pl
38 ME AVN FAN : ok, agreed
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