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Worst Dictator Of All Times?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6041 times:

Now that we have those Best president threads ever! Who do you think is the worst dictator in the World History. Here are my votes
HITLER


STALIN



PINOCHET


FRANCO


MUSSOLINI


MUGABE(note his Hitler mustache)



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User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6038 times:

This one belongs in that row too




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User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6034 times:
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Stalin, without a doubt.

Mao as well.

Russell



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6032 times:

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi



Augusto Pinochet



Francisco Franco




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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6020 times:

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Kim 1 & 2

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6014 times:

My list includes the following:
  • Adolf Hitler (definitely the number 1 in my list of worst dictators)
  • Josef Vissarionovich Zhugashvilli, aka Josef Stalin
  • Benito Mussolini
  • Mao Zedong
  • Erich Honecker
  • Nicolae Ceaucescu
  • Slobodan Milosevic (not technically a dictator but still worth mentioning)
  • Saddam Hussein
  • Augusto Pinochet
  • Fidel Castro
  • Francisco Franco
  • Jorge Rafael Videla
  • Kim Il-Sung and his son Kim Jong-Il


User currently offlineABfemme From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Adolf Hitler (definitely the number 1 in my list of worst dictators)

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Out of all of them he definately gets my vote.


User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
My list includes the following:

* Adolf Hitler (definitely the number 1 in my list of worst dictators)
* Josef Vissarionovich Zhugashvilli, aka Josef Stalin
* Benito Mussolini
* Mao Zedong
* Erich Honecker
* Nicolae Ceaucescu
* Slobodan Milosevic (not technically a dictator but still worth mentioning)
* Saddam Hussein
* Augusto Pinochet
* Fidel Castro
* Francisco Franco
* Jorge Rafael Videla
* Kim Il-Sung and his son Kim Jong-Il


no place for Pol Pot in your top 10?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting BR076 (Reply 7):
no place for Pol Pot in your top 10?

I hardly even know of Pol Pot. In fact, I didn't even remember him until you brought him up. But I just got up to speed on the guy and I agree, he's also worth mentioning in my list. It was never meant as a top 10 list or something similar anyway, just a list of brutal dictators I remember, all in no particular order except for Hitler, who was the worst of them all.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting BR076 (Reply 7):

no place for Pol Pot in your top 10?

Oh I definitely agree with Saloth Sar being one of the worst ever....what a genocide he committed !



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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5971 times:

Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Pol Pot

in no particular order

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Erich Honecker

If you include Erich Honecker, you should also incluede his worse predecessor - Walter Ulbricht, who has certainly to answer for more cruelty and dead.

BTW Didn't we have this topic before?

pelican


User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
Stalin
Hitler
Mao

Yup


User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Hitler (not only the worst dictator, also the most evil person who ever lived).

Ayatollah Khomeini



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5910 times:
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The thread says worst dictator in World History -- but all the nominees are from the 20th century. No room for Ghengis Khan? Attilla? Any number of European monarchs? Tsar Nicholas? Hannibal? Nero? No popes on the list?


Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

President Kim Jong II (North Korea)-responsible for as many as 150,000 prisoners doing forced labour.Hu Jintao (The President and the Gen. Secy of the Communist Party of China)- responsible for the gagging of all media and using 30,000 "Internet security agents" to monitor online use.President Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe)- responsible for the killing, torture and displacement of more than 70,000 people.Prince Abdullah (Crown Prince Saudi Arabia)- responsible for the "slavery-like conditions" for the 8.8 million foreign workers in the Kingdom, with Saudi women being treated as second-class citizens.Omar Al-Bashir (Sudan)- responsible for the 20-year civil war that that has claimed two million lives and rendered four million homeless. He also routinely bombs civilians, tortures and massacres the non-Muslims.Saparmurat Niyazov (Turkmenistan)- eccentric in his behaviour with instances such as forcing all government workers to memorize passages of Niyazov's book to keep their jobs. His latest antic has been to crack down on religious and ethnic minorities.
President Fidel Castro (Cuba)- arrested 75 human-rights activists, journalists and academics, sentencing them to 19 years' jail on average.King Mswati III (Swaziland)- leads a lavish life with a fleet of BMWs, a host of palaces and frequent foreign trips, in contrast to the plight of Swaziland's 300,000 drought-stricken farmers.

[Edited 2006-03-12 18:02:14]

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4880 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Well most dictators are pretty despicable, it's hard to to identify the worst one. I think it all boils down to how close to home each one was to you.

That said I think one of the better dictators was Banda in Malawi.

YOWza



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5882 times:
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Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 14):
President Fidel Castro (Cuba)- arrested 75 human-rights activists, journalists and academics, sentencing them to 19 years' jail on average.

I'm no fan of Castro, but this hardly compares with the genocidal mass murderers in history who have literally millions of deaths on their hands. I'm sure Castro has offed lots of people in his long tenure, but he wouldn't make the top 20 list using that as a criterion.



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

What about Bushitler?
I'm sure he's up there!!

Signed,

The A.net glitterati



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

If we go by number of dead, the top three would be

1. Mao Zedong

2. Josef Stalin

3. Adolf Hitler



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User currently offlineDublinLiam From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.
Lenin for preaching that change had to be preceded by violence.
Most leaders, in all of history, who practiced human sacrifice for whatever reason.
Any leader, of any historical group, who practiced ethnic or territorial cleansing.
Any preacher of any faith at any historical time who preached that his or her devotees were chosen above another human because of birth-right or conversion.
The hidden money lenders or "legitimate" business leaders who financed monarchy, theocracy or any other superior race/nationality/spiritual war,police action or any other arms related profit motive action.
The masses who do nothing when their leaders practice armed conflict because they now can BIG and SUPERIOR. (Here one must consider that these kind are cultural small persons)
Need any more?


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Quoting DublinLiam (Reply 19):
Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.


How could I forget that Son of a B**H



A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

I'm surprised that nobody has said Bush or Sharon yet.

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Quoting DublinLiam (Reply 19):
Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.

He what? If what you say is true that's really gross. Add to that his dictatorial abilities and he's one sick mofo.

Adolf "Small Penis" Hitler still takes the cake.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 17):
What about Bushitler?
I'm sure he's up there!!

If you're serious then you're an absolute idiot. Go put your tin foil hat back on and dream for a Hildabest presidency.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5810 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
If you include Erich Honecker, you should also incluede his worse predecessor - Walter Ulbricht, who has certainly to answer for more cruelty and dead.

Good point. I actually thought of putting him in the list but then again, I opted for Honecker only.


User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

There are dictators and then there are monsters. Too bad Hitler was not just a dictator.

25 Post contains images Baylorairbear : All of these "Worst Dictator" threads, and no one ever mentions Johan BAB
26 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : 1) Hitler 2) Robert Mugabe 3) Kim-Sun Who is that ? HE DID WHAT , you also forgot to put : putting flowers in peoples hair, painting rainbows, growing
27 TACAA320 : You're entitle to mention your list of dictators, so I am.
28 Marambio : Adolf Hitler. Being a Jew, a German citizen and, most important, an inhabitant of this planet, let me just say that this guy was the closest encounter
29 Swatpamike : Hello all Sorry, but my wife would be the Worst Dictator of all Times. Cheers swatpamike
30 Post contains images BA : A few that have failed to make any lists so far: Mobutu Sese Seko Haji Mohammad Suharto
31 AAden : hilter number 1 as always
32 Andessmf : Hitler #1 for causing the most numbers of dead, since he is probably very reponsible for WWII. Mao and Stalin tied for #2 for they killed their own pe
33 Post contains images N1120A : Um, did you bother to look and see that it was a signed by post?
34 Post contains images BR076 : Pol Pot I see he's a nice red cros in a white box now
35 Dcbat2072 : With all due respect, I think that Stalin was the worst dictator of all time, even more so than Hitler. Yes, Hitler murdered millions of people, mostl
36 Post contains links TACAA320 : Definitely not a dictator, but maybe worst than many mentioned here: Dr. Mengele. One of the most tortuous mind in the past century. http://www.crimel
37 Soylentgreen : George Bush, for the following reason- 1. the first to use religion as a means of swaying his base 2. has killed more Arabs unnecessarily in Iraq with
38 TheSonntag : I would add Hitlers right hand, Joseph Goebbels, to the list. He was extremely intelligent and used his brain to set the world on fire. Other than tha
39 Kovi17 : wow i really hope you are kidding he wouldnt even come close to what hitler did.
40 Post contains links TACAA320 : I think that nobody mentioned before [sorry if I'm wrong] Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Marcos
41 Andessmf : So are you saying that the Arabs who have killed other Arabs killed them because they had to? If you read the news, there are a lot of suicide bombin
42 Soylentgreen : Estimates are that 50,000 collateral casualties have occurred as a result of dropped US bombs. That figure does not include Arab on Arab attacks or s
43 KWI : Not a SINGLE person mentioned Saddam Hussein???
44 Andessmf : Estimates are one thing, there are such things as propaganda plus the fact that insurgents do not wear uniform, making it impossible to figure out wh
45 Scotty : His Excellency Idi Amin Dada Oumee AKA 'Butcher of Africa', AKA 'Conqueror of the British Empire', AKA 'Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes
46 Soylentgreen : Yes there is propaganda, so when the US government says 50,000 in collateral damage, assume 150,000. I assure you 50,000 is on the low side. I use Bu
47 Andessmf : For any reassurances, give me your references. If none are provided, I will assume 50000 are on the high side. But for Gods sake, Bush the worst dict
48 Post contains images NWADC9 : Hitler Hussein Castro
49 Soylentgreen : A lovely comment indeed. Quite droll. Pentagon issued statement on 50,000 dead after pressed by NY Times and AP for numbers. Do you think Pentagon wo
50 Andessmf : Then become familiar with others before posting this statement
51 KSYR : Soy, In order for someone to be considered "Worst Dictator of All Times" then they have to be a dictator. Bush will cease to be our President in 2009
52 TheSonntag : I am really shocked that some people seriously mention Bush. I mean, I hate GWB, I think his politics are bad, I think he is narrow-minded, and I thin
53 Andessmf : Thank you for a very well written post, I agree with you completely.
54 UALPHLCS : Some people on those lists are on there for good reason. My vote goes to Stalin. Stalin was worse than Hitler in so many ways, although I still keep H
55 Post contains images N229NW : This is a good point. It's true that pretty much any king from before the nineteenth ceentury (and some after) were willing to kill, rape and pillage
56 Soylentgreen : Don't be Sonn. If you lived here, you'd understand the metaphoric relavence of including Bush and his family dynasty in this thread. GWB, IMHO, is le
57 N229NW : Err...I am American. Also, I fully believe that Bush is a major threat to world stability and peace. He may well start WWIII. But he's not a dictator
58 L410Turbolet : I am no fan of Bush either, but does anyone doubt he will NOT be gone in some 2+ years and Americans will NOT get a chance to elect someone (hopefull
59 Soylentgreen : The # killed is not, nor should it be, the primary determinant in such a discussion. However, since you feel it is, I again point out the # of innoce
60 Mir : I'm going to assume that you're not being serious. But just in case you are, let's go through these one by one. 1. Definitely not. The first American
61 Soylentgreen : Let's pray to Jesus Christ that you are right Mir.
62 Post contains images NWADC9 : Stop your praying-he is NOT a dictator. He is the President of the United States who was elected by the people, and is under checks-and-balances. The
63 Post contains images MD11junkie : I'm surprised that so far, only ONE user mentioned Nicolae Ceaucescu. The Romanian dictator was by far the worse of them all. He gets my vote. . . Was
64 Sebolino : He was elected chancellor, not dictator. He took the full power by force after he won the election.
65 Post contains images Jush : He belongs on the list. So does Honecker but Ulbricht even more than that. Regds jush
66 Sebolino : Not really a dictator, but the puppet of Hitler: Phillipe Petain, marechal de France, and eternal shame of the country, who literally gave France to H
67 Soylentgreen : Hitler was elected too NW. Remember your history, and you do realize that history can repeat itself.
68 Jush : History does repeat itself but certainly not under the power of GWB. Regds jush
69 Andessmf : Hitler was never democratically elected, read your history before making such a blanket statement. And as a reminder, Nazi is an 'acronym' for Nation
70 Soylentgreen : Hope you are right Jush.
71 UALPHLCS : Yes, he should have been on the list, but I think people forget him because we can't spell his name. No this is a common misconception. Hitler was no
72 Soylentgreen : Wow, only a moron would consider FDR a bad president. He helped the US come out of the depression, and helped to preclude world domination by Hitler.
73 Post contains images MD11junkie : Thank you very much. I stand corrected. That's one reason - but people do not know anything about Ceaucescu. Just ask around. He wasn't that media fr
74 Post contains images Byronsterk : Worst: Jan Peter balkenende (dutch prime minister) Bush beatrix (our queen) Best: Mikhail Gorbachev (yes, best) Lenin:
75 UALPHLCS : WOW... Only a moron would get that I wasn't saying FDR was a bad president. I was saying that using the standards YOU yourself set Soylentgreen, YOU
76 Soylentgreen : Re-read this, and take your time.
77 UALPHLCS : Let he who is without typo cast the first stone. I was joking about the spelling thing. I believe your media point is correct.
78 Post contains images Sabena340 : Maybe a lesser known character but in terms of caused casualties this man ranks right up the list of already named dictators: Leopold II, constitution
79 Arrow : How did he do that? Did we accept him, or did someone smuggle him over the border in the dead of night.
80 Andessmf : I thought the word used was mostly 'owner'. After watching a show about Mobutu, I looked up Leopold, and thats right, he was despicable with the Cong
81 Post contains images NWADC9 : Same with Castro and Hussein, but they REALLY started doing damage. I DO remember my history. I'm not stupid. But we have checks and balances. There'
82 TheSonntag : Nor will he ever do, yet I am sometimes a little bit concerned on how some of the US A.netters defend the "war against terror" no matter what without
83 Post contains images MD11junkie : Both of them seized power with coups as I recall. Cheers! Gastón - The MD11 Junkie
84 UALPHLCS : "[General] Burnside arrested Vallandigham for speaking against the war. A military commission sentenced th Ohioan to imprisonment for the duration of
85 Sebolino : Just like Hitler did.
86 UALPHLCS : Who's painting with a broad brush. I was being very specific. You seem to be backtracking. You support FDR. You say it above, and from your other ant
87 TACAA320 : Nobody is elected by the people as "dictator". They become dictators after been elected.
88 Soylentgreen : I am surprised you think this. What sort of history studies have you taken that would show this to be true? If you are referring to the rationing per
89 UALPHLCS : Once again you evade the issue. Or is it you haven't actually read my posts. I'm sure you glanced at them but I seriously doubt you read them. Otherw
90 Duke : I want to point something out, Arrow. Tsar Nicholas II was NOT a cruel dictator. Yes, he was an emperor with basically dictatorial powers, but he was
91 Andessmf : Tsar Nicholas and his family saints have been made saints by the Russian Orthodox Church.
92 Malmoaviation : 1; Hitler (No comment) 2; Bush (I love USA, not their politics) 3; Stalin (Gulags are not good for health) 4; Mussolini (Hitlers friends are my enemie
93 KSYR : Soy, You certainly aren't in any place to call anyone else a moron. You know something is wrong when even the Bush-bashers on this site tell you that
94 Post contains images L410Turbolet : and by playing dirty tricks behind Churchill's helped Stalin dominate "only" half of the world. Lenin? Best? W T F ???
95 Arrow : OK -- I'll strike the Tsar from the list; your knowledge of Russian history is much better than mine. Author is Robert K. Massie, an American histori
96 UALPHLCS : Duke, While a agree that Tsar Nicholas doesn't deserve to be on a worst dictator of all time list. I think you whitewash his many failings. Nicholas
97 AndesSMF : Tsar Nicholas II was never prepared to take over the job, and history will certainly show that. And still doesnt excuse what happened to his family.
98 Soylentgreen : Reagan was elected President 7 years after the Vietnam War ended, and took office 8 years after, in 1981.
99 Sebolino : Precisely what I said: the argument saying that Hitler was elected is irrelevant, he took the full power by force.
100 Post contains links TACAA320 : http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/nicholasii.htm
101 UALPHLCS : So let's get back on Topic. The Worst Dictator of all Time. I think a mistake was made in not defining the parameters of a dictator. We have been side
102 Post contains images Soylentgreen : No, you were just sidetracked. It's amusing how easily this gets under your skin. You must toughen up UALPH Now, back on point, metaphorically speaki
103 Andessmf : Add another criteria, suggest reality instead of metaphorically.
104 Soylentgreen : I'd have to say Hitler for what he did to his people (eugenics) and the world, and, as a close second, Ataturk for the Armenian genocide of 1915.
105 Bravo45 : Nobody comes close to Joseph Stalin.
106 Pilotaydin : allright first off, it wasnt a genocide, it was a WAR, 600,000 Armenians died, while 2.5 million Muslims and Jews died in that very specific region..
107 Soylentgreen : Turkey jails those who call it genocide, we hear on the news. Pressure from the international community gets them released and the charges dropped, w
108 Andessmf : Hey, guys, I did read about Leopold II last night. That guy really was a horrible person. He was the OWNER of the Congo Free State and essentially was
109 UALPHLCS : The original poster was looking for a metaphor. They were looking for an historical judgement. As a trained historian, what you feel about Bush is ir
110 Andessmf : I suggest you really read up a little on him. He really makes some of these monsters look like angels. That guy was one sick f**k.
111 KSYR : My apologies Soy, seems as if I was the moron there! Brain fart right there, my mistake...
112 Post contains images BMIFlyer : A tough choice for me..... Milosovic or Saddam Lee
113 Soylentgreen : How Can an opinion be wrong? It's an opinion only. Good grief. You have serious trouble dealing with people. How do you get by at work UALPH? Let it
114 Baylorairbear : From Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: None of these conditions can be satisfied in a democratic government. Therefore, Bush can not be a dictator. B
115 UALPHLCS : Opinion Soylentgreen can not masquerade as fact. BAB showed how sussinctly how your "opinion" has no basis in fact. The original poster was looking f
116 LVZXV : I agree with pretty much all of the above, with the possible exceptions of maybe two or three: Porfirio Díaz Brought some kind of stability to Mexico
117 Post contains images Andessmf : Thank you for the research project. Thats an impressive list and looks good, forgot about the Duvaliers.
118 Milan320 : Strange, people mention Castro, but no one (unless I missed it) points out Chinese politics ... religious persecution, whether it'd be the Falun Gong
119 Post contains images SWISSER : My father when he needs me for (his) house-jobs!
120 UALPHLCS : An excellent point. So far people's opinions seem to show Central and South America, Europe and Africa as the breeding ground for dictators. Very few
121 Soylentgreen : UALPH, you just can't deal with someone disagreeing with you. I hope you are not in customer service! Bush has, thusfar, killed 50,000 innocent Iraqi
122 Post contains images UALPHLCS : You're simply amazing. Talk about a person who can't deal. You have consistently made me the subject of your posts. You have hurled insults. You have
123 Soylentgreen : Ualph, you have provided much amusement to me and friends, so easily rankled. The inability to let things rest is the hallmark of someone who cannot
124 BBiter : N1120A: Aghaye Alireza, I'm curious to know why Mohamed Reza Pahlavi tops your list. BB
125 Soylentgreen : Not arguing, just staing my opinion. You see Andes, in America, we do that. That wasn't on the naturalization test I guess. Bush has murederd 50,000
126 UALPHLCS : Finally, we can get back on track and have an adult conversation. But it is a cautionary lesson for all of us. How it is nessisary for one to not jus
127 Soylentgreen : Funny really, since I've been leading you through this whole discussion, as you continually answer everything I post. I'd say you are easily led. If
128 Post contains links and images NWADC9 : WHAT!?!?!? Bush didn't kill anyone. Those "50,000 innocent Iraqis" are non-existant. I got a count for you: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ Now, genius
129 Soylentgreen : Chris, the Lancet Journal in October 2005 estimated 98,000 Iraqi collateral damage. I am sorry, I had said 50,000. sg[Edited 2006-03-19 22:59:16]
130 AndesSMF : Jayson Blair, anyone? And didnt the NY Times just get caught using that fake Abu Ghraib prisioner interview? Yeah, like the NY Times has a really goo
131 UALPHLCS : AndesSMF, let me ask you a question, this is not meant to inflame anyone, especially those in South America. South America, as we have discussed has b
132 AndesSMF : Oh, Man!! What a great question! Honestly, Bolivar was a great man with a good heart, and dictators were the vast majority of rulers at the time. The
133 UALPHLCS : Exactly, or to pt it another way, did he free the country but not the people? You see that is the essential problem with dictatorships. A political s
134 AndesSMF : Indeed, a dictatorship is more like a business, where someone is usually under control. I was thinking long and hard about what you said, and finally
135 UALPHLCS : Yes! The purpose of the Founding Fathers of the United States was to make an inefficient government. Not a wasteful one mind you. But one were decisi
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