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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

So here is the scoop, I was drivin down a local 4 lane road, minding the speed limit and all when I suddenly see the pitter patter of a local blue light special in the form of a Chicopee PD crown victoria, so I pulled over and he pulled in behind me. The officer immediately walked to my car and asked me if I thought I was being cute impersonating a police car... and asked for my license and rego, Which I dully gave. He came back a few minutes alter saying that he was gonna let me off as I dont have any tickets or warrants or anything... Now as you can see by my attached picture I have a chevy lumina, which some departments use as unmaked units, mine obviously isnt, Now the reason the officer gave was my CB radio antenna and that I was intimidating other motorists... Id like some of the A.net police bunch for their thoughts and opinions please...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/Justin82287/P1070011.jpg


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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

haha hilarious! I sometimes used to press the panic button on my remote starter when driving my card on quiet roads. You'd be surprised how many people get out of the way!! This despite the fact that it will be a cold day in hell before Canadian cops are driving BMWs and the sound was not even that similar to the one cops out here use.

YOWza



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Hmmm, did you get his badge and name? If he truly harrassed you, then deal with it. Of course, you'd have to define harrass . . . as that word has strong connotations . . .

How the hell could the officer tell if you were intimidating other motorists? That's just ridiculous.

Although I know what he meant, I simply laugh at the logic . . .

Oh well . . .


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

That sucks.

There's a certain type of individual that seems to be drawn to becoming a cop more than any other. Can you guess what it is?



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

How were you intimidating other motorists? With your antennae? Sounds like you ran afoul of a dickhead cop with an attitude. Cops like that make it harder for decent ones to do their job.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 1):
it will be a cold day in hell before Canadian cops are driving BMWs

In South Carolina one of the deals between BMW and the state for tax incentives was to provide 5-series cars to be used as unmarked Highway Patrol cars. That just isn't fair!

[Edited 2006-03-13 02:54:46]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
How were you intimidating other motorists? With your antennae? Sounds like you ran afoul of a dickhead cop with an attitude.

 checkmark  Absolutely.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Cops like that make it harder for decent ones to do their job.

 yes 

Turn him in if you have his badge and ID numbers.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Hmmm, did you get his badge and name?

I did, going to the department tomorrow after school.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Of course, you'd have to define harrass . . . as that word has strong connotations . . .

Well I ment harass in the sense that he pulled me over, and took my license, rego and basically told me I could be arrested for police impersonation... all because I was driving home from work with my cb antenna....



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 1):
Canadian cops are driving BMWs

Is that what they use in Ottawa? Is that the OPP or RCMP? I've never seen a BMW as a police car but I have seen a Lamborghini as a police car. IMO thats very risky.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Hmmm, did you get his badge and name?

I did, going to the department tomorrow after school.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Of course, you'd have to define harrass . . . as that word has strong connotations . . .

Well I ment harass in the sense that he pulled me over, and took my license, rego and basically told me I could be arrested for police impersonation... all because I was driving home from work with my cb antenna....

I understand completely - and it's bullshit . . . call him on it . . . . then go get a new car . . .  silly 


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
then go get a new car . . .

well I guess that 2000 P-71 with the pushbar and tint windows is out of the question....  Wink

But seriously, thanks for the comments, I called my dads friend whos a cop im my city, same one that this shizle occored in and he said he'd look into it, BTW he's a 25 year veteran DT  Smile and golfs with the chief....



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):

Turn him in if you have his badge and ID numbers.

It'd be nothing but one person's word against another. Turning in badge numbers only makes you feel like something might happen. It's nothing but a false sense of neutrality IMO. I've never been screwed over by a cop claiming I did something I didn't actually do, but if I were ever in that situation I wouldn't count on any badge numbers to bail me out. From what I can tell cops have more rights than the rest of us, regardless if it's written down anywhere. For every cop who's ever been busted for breaking the law down here, there are usually dozens of violations that went unpunished prior to whatever event finally took them down.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Looks cold in Wisconsin. Just chalk it up as a life experience. I supposed you could complain, but since you didn't suffer any harm what good would it do.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 10):
From what I can tell cops have more rights than the rest of us, regardless if it's written down anywhere.

Well, you're wrong . . . cops have a lot less rights than the rest of "us". Many, many things the general public can get away with, a cop - when caught - will get fried. I don't expect you believe that - and I don't care really . . . but that's the way it is . . .

If the Department's leadership is worth a damn, a bad cop - or a good cop that makes a grevious mistake - will be hammered a hell of a lot worse than Tommy Schmedlap aka General Public.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
I supposed you could complain, but since you didn't suffer any harm what good would it do.

Perhaps it's not the first time for this officer . . . one time is a mistake, more than once is a pattern. You spent a lot of time as CHiP - you know what I'm talking about.


User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 10):
It'd be nothing but one person's word against another

If you go to the police station and tell them that this cop said these things then that would be pretty powerful, he's gonna get a rap over the knuckes for sure. They should believe you if you're careflu about relaying the exact story...

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
and basically told me I could be arrested for police impersonation

You're going to need to be specific about what he said, the word 'basically' in this sentence kinda makes me think that you're generalising a bit (correct me if I'm wrong).

BF



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):

Well, you're wrong . . . cops have a lot less rights than the rest of "us". Many, many things the general public can get away with, a cop - when caught - will get fried.

1. Operative words are "when caught" in my opinion. That was my whole point.
2. Having a cop with a grudge against you is potentially far worse than merely getting fired.
3. Can you provide any verifiable examples of cops getting in serious trouble for unnecessarily stopping people who merely provided badge numbers to the nearest precinct and didn't actually take the matter to court?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
I don't expect you believe that - and I don't care really . . . but that's the way it is . . .

On paper, I believe it. In any practical sense, it's rather doubtful. Cops are notorious for backing each other at the expense of those who may have been wronged by another cop and I'm willing to believe there's a nugget of real truth to that. Just watching any of the local news programs gives you that impression over and over again.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
If the Department's leadership is worth a damn, a bad cop - or a good cop that makes a grevious mistake - will be hammered a hell of a lot worse than Tommy Schmedlap aka General Public.

This specific case doesn't really provide much to go on since the cop didn't blatantly break any specific law or regulation that I'm aware of. Laws are usually written to give a little leeway for cops to snoop around a bit. More recent laws like the Patriot Act take this premise to the extreme. However, I don't see anything here that would imply the Patriot Act was involved. Of course most people would never be aware of any serious action specifically allowed under the Patriot Act since even notifying the target suspect of their target status is apparently against the act until such time as they are formally charged.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Now as you can see by my attached picture I have a chevy lumina, which some departments use as unmaked units, mine obviously isnt, Now the reason the officer gave was my CB radio antenna and that I was intimidating other motorists.

I would raise holy hell with the department too.

Usually if people are fakeing complaints they don't formally go down to the police station to file one.


However you did bring up the beige 79 Caprice my dad had in the late 80's. Whomever had it before had mounted a pair of speakers on the rear deck.....A lot of people wouldn't pass him on the highway because they thought those speakers where the light boxes in an unmarked.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 7):
Is that what they use in Ottawa? Is that the OPP or RCMP? I've never seen a BMW as a police car but I have seen a Lamborghini as a police car. IMO thats very risky.

No they don't use BMW as copcars here. I think you may have misunderstood my first post.

YOWza



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):
1. Operative words are "when caught" in my opinion. That was my whole point.

Well, if you meant "When Caught" why not say "When Caught", otherwise you don't have a point - again, par for the course.

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):
2. Having a cop with a grudge against you is potentially far worse than merely getting fired.

Yup . . . but that's the type of cop we don't need on the street. And that's why there are laws against harrassment by the police . . . or didn't you know that?

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):
3. Can you provide any verifiable examples of cops getting in serious trouble for unnecessarily stopping people who merely provided badge numbers to the nearest precinct and didn't actually take the matter to court?

Not off the top of my head** but I'm sure with proper research, it can be done easily - you're not worth the effort.
(**Here's some fodder for you - go for it).

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):
Cops are notorious for backing each other at the expense of those who may have been wronged by another cop and I'm willing to believe there's a nugget of real truth to that

Two schools of thought here.

My first thought is that's bullshit and you can't prove it or source it. But that's an inadequate response. . . more your caliber than mine.

My second thought is: Most - MOST - of the assholes alleging abuses by the police are exactly that - assholes. They'll nitpick anything because they have a fear and loathing of law enforcement; they've been in trouble before (most on more than one, two three occasions) and they feel that any dealing with law enforcement on any level is harrassment. It's not the cops fault the person is an asshole and needs to be dealt with . . . and bears considerable watching . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):
Laws are usually written to give a little leeway for cops to snoop around a bit.

Nonsense . . . if anything, laws are written to protect the public, not exploit them . . . but your next comments prove that you don't believe that . . . so I see I'm wasting my time . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 14):
More recent laws like the Patriot Act take this premise to the extreme. However, I don't see anything here that would imply the Patriot Act was involved. Of course most people would never be aware of any serious action specifically allowed under the Patriot Act since even notifying the target suspect of their target status is apparently against the act until such time as they are formally charged.

Patriot Act . . .  rotfl  rotfl 

Like you say, not involved - I can't imagine how the Patriot Act eeked it's way into this conversation - but hey, with you all things are possible.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

I get harrassed driving in my car all the time too. Although its because my car is a Beetle I get dissed.

Signed, LHMark


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 13):
You're going to need to be specific about what he said, the word 'basically' in this sentence kinda makes me think that you're generalising a bit (correct me if I'm wrong).

you were  Wink But seriously, He came up and said, and I quote "You think you're having fun impersonationg police? You know I could arrest you on the spot right now son, gimme your license, now."



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
My second thought is: Most - MOST - of the assholes alleging abuses by the police are exactly that - assholes. They'll nitpick anything because they have a fear and loathing of law enforcement; they've been in trouble before (most on more than one, two three occasions) and they feel that any dealing with law enforcement on any level is harrassment.

Reminds me of this guy  Wink....



User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Justin,

That's a new one on me. For years, I've owned several cars (including my present '97 Crown Victoria) that, at a glance, could be mistaken as a unmarked unit (especially when I mount the magnetic CB antenna on them - which I do for my longer-distance drives) by truckers and motorists (that aren't experienced police car spotters) but I've never been pulled over for that reason.

I've actually heard truckers (usually along I-84 in Connecticut, but it also happened along the NY Thruway near the Tappan Zee Bridge once) on my CB radio stating that there's a moving plain wrapper or Bear heading in the same area I was driving. A few moments later, I heard the same voice stating that it was a false alarm because he saw Pennsylvania plates on the back (my car) LOL.

Many years ago at a local parking lot, I was waiting for a friend (I had my tu-tone Black/Grey '89 Caprice Classic at the time); somebody across the street walked by, stopped, walked back a few feet, gave a rather weird glance at my car, and proceeded walking. I opened my window & asked him if there was anything wrong; and he responded that he thought I was a township cop.

I told him that I wasn't and pointed towards the wire wheelcovers on my car (most cop cars either have small hubcaps, basic wheelcovers or no wheelcovers) and stated, "How many police cars you know have locking wire wheelcovers?"

Plus the police Caprices (along w/the taxi models) are the base trim as opposed to the Classic.

When I had my dark blue '85 Grand Marquis LS back in 1990, a couple truckers mistook it for an unmarked unit as well. I guess they didn't realize that Mercury didn't offer a police package on their full-sizes after 1981 or 1982 and it was only offered on the base-model Marquis.

Anyway, if you did get the officer's name & badge number; I would politely report the matter to the department. I wonder if the cop in question was pulling over other blue Luminas as well?

Playing devil's advocate for 2 seconds here; is it possible that there may have been someone else in a similar car as yours actually impersonating a police officer roaming around in that area?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
In South Carolina one of the deals between BMW and the state for tax incentives was to provide 5-series cars to be used as unmarked Highway Patrol cars. That just isn't fair!

I'm a bit surprised that South Carolina still allows unmarked cars to be used as for traffic enforcement duties after what happened a few years ago when a woman, after being pulled over along I-95, was literally dragged out of her car; the whole incident was caught on the camera mounted on the dash of the gold-colored unmarked Crown Vic.. The officer, who was later fired, was ticked because the woman didn't pull over right away when he pursued her. It was revealed that the woman didn't realize that the car was indeed a legitimate police car until she saw the officer put his hat on. The incident even made it into either Dateline or 20-20

Following the incident, I believe New York state signed a law banning the use of unmarked cars for traffic enforcement duties.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Not only the unmarked BMWs but I've also seen the usual Crown Vic and either Camaros or Firebirds.


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User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 19):
you were But seriously, He came up and said, and I quote "You think you're having fun impersonationg police? You know I could arrest you on the spot right now son, gimme your license, now."

He needs his a$$ kicking. Well, a telling off from his superior at least. If he had arrested you on the spot it would have been interested to hear what he arrested you for - having an aerial on your rear window. Sounds a bit power-hungry to me.

BF



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Cadet57, if you care about privacy, you might want to erase the licence plate from that picture you posted.

25 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Anyone here read Car And Driver ? They dressed up a Mercury Marauder as a wannabe cop car a couple of yeras ago. Now that came close to impersonating
26 MD11Engineer : BTW, the location of your antenna on the trunk is far from ideal. Lambda/4 groundplane antennas should preferably be mounted in the middle of a large
27 PHLBOS : Actually, that was the Kenny Brown Crown Vic.; a '98 model. Top speed (after the alterations) hit 150 mph. I have that issue as well; which I believe
28 IFACN : Italian Police uses Alfa Romeo (the most sporty brand from the FIAT group) and - for the Highway patrols - BMWs and a bunch of Lamborghini (I've seen
29 Post contains links and images UTA_flyinghigh : Then two articles maybe ? As I have rhaatrieved the one I was talking about; it is indeed a Mercury Marauder : http://www.caranddriver.com/article.as
30 PHLBOS : From your posted article link (2nd paragraph): In October 1997, a blizzard trapped me in Ogallala, Nebraska, with former senior editor Phil Berg. As
31 MD11Engineer : German police often uses confiscated cars of criminals (impounded because they were used to commit a crime, they keep the nice cars and auction off th
32 KaiGywer : Speaking of 97 CVs. On my roadtrip, I saw a Sheriff's cruiser in Jackson, MS that was a pre-98 model CV. I felt bad for the poor deputy assigned to d
33 PHLBOS : There are many police departments that still utilize older cars for partol duty. In Berlin, NJ; their police department has a fleet of Crown Vics. sp
34 Cadet57 : Actually my town still has the blue ones on its marked cars. My towns unmaked units have standard ma plates... but ive seen others that have other pl
35 PHLBOS : The next time you see an unmarked unit in your town, take a closer look at the plate(s). While, at a glance, it may look like a standard-issue MA pla
36 Post contains images N243NW : And I suppose everyone who drives an old retired police cruiser or a municipal Crown Vic with a spotlight on the driver's mirror (we've all seen them)
37 USAIRWAYS321 : Washington State Patrol unmarked cars (and there are a lot) all have ### WSP as their plates. The standard car plates are ### ABC. Most county sheriff
38 KaiGywer : In Minnesota, marked vehicles have a standard plate, but the "number" is either POLICE or SHERIFF...lol. Or they just don't have any at all, and just
39 Scott2187 : here in PA, most of them are the blue, which looks like a Michigan plate, and they say "Municipal." but i hate when i come across a crown vic that ac
40 Post contains images PHLBOS : You forgot to read my earlier post (especially since I presently reside in the Keystone State) : I remember those blue Michigan plates that you speak
41 Post contains images 2H4 : The standard blue plate is still an option: I prefer the blue one. Less reflective paint to help radar guns. 2H4
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