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Racism In Sport  
User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

England's Rio Ferdinand has launched a scathing attack on Uefa for what he sees as a failure to stamp out racism.

The 28-year-old Manchester United star said: "It is time for Uefa to stop paying lip service to the problem. "Uefa should look at imposing huge fines or deducting points within tournaments or competitions." Fifa imposed a £44,750 fine on the Spanish FA after Shaun Wright-Phillips and Ashley Cole were the target for monkey chants during last year's friendly with England in Madrid. Ferdinand said: "The fines handed out after the England-Spain game were a joke.

Do you think enough is being done?

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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1062 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
Fifa imposed a £44,750 fine on the Spanish FA after Shaun Wright-Phillips and Ashley Cole were the target for monkey chants during last year's friendly with England in Madrid

Were English team members making the monkey chants or folks in the crowd? If on the team then FIFA should deal with them. If in the crowd then let the stadium deal with them and not fine the team.

While I never used racial stuff in my trash talking I was known for a few quips about the mother of the lineman that was across from me on the football field. Suspect lineage or proof parental wedlock of the opposing player was always good for a dig in the heat of a game. Anything to throw them off their game was good for me.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Well as UEFA pointed out, the incidents Rio referred to were an England-Spain match under FIFA control and a spanish league match under Spanish FA control - so quite why he singled out UEFA was a bit odd when it was a FIFA fine.

But yes racism is a problem in football and need to be stamped out. In particular it does seem to be getting worse in Eastern Europe. Its still less than perfect in the UK, but it has improved a lot from how it used to be.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
Do you think enough is being done?

Not at all. After I saw that HBO special, I was horrified. Despicable acts, speech and behavior from far too many people that was without consequence.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 980 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 2):
But yes racism is a problem in football

Not to mention a BIG problem...
Check out games of SS Lazio and AS Roma, UNBELIEVABLE!
Like Dolf himself is in the stadium somewhere...


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 977 times:

I agree with Rio. If you don't hand the clubs responsibility for controlling the behaviour of their fans, then this wont stop.

I like the points deduction option.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 954 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 3):
Not at all. After I saw that HBO special, I was horrified. Despicable acts, speech and behavior from far too many people that was without consequence.

I saw the same thing. These Neo-Nazis take over an entire section of these stadiums and make monkey chants and throw bananas. Its disgusting behavior.


PIA777



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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1872 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 937 times:

Please, do not say "racism in sport".
Rather say racism in football
Teva



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 931 times:

FC Barcelone's Samuel Eto is also suffering from racism in the stadium ! I don't know if it is expressed by the Barça or the adverser supporters !!! Anyway it is a shame ! The European football show is done by African, South American...players anyway  Wink

User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 923 times:

I do agree that MUCH larger fines should be handed out as well as clubs having to play a substantial amount of games behind closed doors.

However, I think that Rio has some cheek. This is the guy that refused to show up for a drugs test and got what I consider a bit of a joke suspension.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 900 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 7):
Please, do not say "racism in sport".
Rather say racism in football
Teva

Actually, say racism in SOCCER. Big grin


User currently offlineSenorcarnival From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 891 times:

IMO this is what needs to be done: UEFA should ban the offending supporter section from matches and if the team doesn't comply with ensuring that the offenders are kept out, then they should be fined an insane amount and the funds should be used on public service campaigns to stamp out racism in the sport.

User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Well someting UEFA could do would be to ban teams from participating in the Champions Leauge/UEFA Cup. Just tell AS Roma and SS Lazio that they are no longer allowed to participate as long as their fans commit this type of behavior. You'll be suprised how fast the fans change their minds, and stop the taunting. Another problem is players like Totti and Di Canio that instigate this shit. Those sacks of crap ought to be banned from any European competition. Until there are real punishments for this kind of thing, it is not going to stop.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 870 times:

Probably if you kept out the alcoholed up people out of the stands that would probably not only deal with racism, but with other bad behavors too.
In the USA, we have significant levels of security at major sporting events, backed up with local police officers. Many stadiums ban any banners or signs to keep out offensive materials (including where racist references) and to make it so all the fans can see. People whom are drunk may be removed if they are offensive or annoying to other spectators. If a someone does a criminal act like fighting, or some woman flashes her breasts or some jerks get a racist chant going, they will be removed by the security/police. If they are there on season tickets, the holders of the tickets may have the balance of valid season game tickets and their positon to renew revoked. Of course, there should also be penalties upon players whom encourage bad behavor too. Perhaps some of these ideas might work in Europe as to their soccer/football bad spectators.


User currently offlineBradWray From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 869 times:

What would a player reither have?

1)Be a target of several thousand people chanting racial coments?
2)Have a lit flare thrown 'NEAR' to them?

Inter Milan were forced to play 4 home matches in UEFA Champions League behind closed doors and got a large fine when a Inter Milan supporter thrown a lit flare towords the AC Milan goalkeeper Dida. But yet when players are racialy insulted by thousands of selfish, unthaughtfull, heartless yobs, UEFA fine one of the world richest clubs a 'small' amount of money!

UEFA are a joke when it comes to taking action towards fans!



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 840 times:

Quoting BradWray (Reply 14):
Inter Milan were forced to play 4 home matches in UEFA Champions League behind closed doors and got a large fine when a Inter Milan supporter thrown a lit flare towords the AC Milan goalkeeper Dida. But yet when players are racialy insulted by thousands of selfish, unthaughtfull, heartless yobs, UEFA fine one of the world richest clubs a 'small' amount of money!

I agree that UEFA needs to crack down on racism, but the bigger problem is with La Liga. The incidents are farily rare in UEFA competitions, while it seems to be a recurring theme at places like Zaragoza. It is going to continue until the Spanish governing bodies get serious about stopping it. The Italians need to crack down as well.

As for the flare. Dida was hit by the flare, it didn't just land near him. And even if it hadn't hit him, Inter still should have been given the same punishment. The players were put in physical danger because of idiot fans and poor security.



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