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Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt  
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

This is apparently taken from a National Newspaper. Where I do not know, but I think it makes rather interesting reading.

Quote:
IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending
some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on the 7th
of the 7th we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Brits. However, the disgust about the attacks had barely settled when the
"politically correct!" crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,
nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by
coming to Britain, Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of
immigrants. (The Danes, Romans etc.)

However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This
idea of the Brits being a multicultural community has served only to dilute
our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britain's we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language therefore; if you wish to become part of our
society, learn the language! "Land of Hope & Glory" is our motto.
This is not some Christian, rightwing, political slogan. We adopted this
motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles,
founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, because God is part of our culture.

If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, or Christmas, or Poppy Day then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our Laws give every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so!

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our
flag, our lifestyle our government, or our way of life, I highly encourage
you take advantage of one other great BRITISH freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

It is Time for Great Britain to Speak up if you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!

I have to say, I agree wholeheartedly.

7L


Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Careful. The same people who bash the U.S. for the same views towards immigrants here will start to bash you. Wait, its usually the Euro's anyway.  Wink

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
Careful. The same people who bash the U.S. for the same views towards immigrants here will start to bash you. Wait, its usually the Euro's anyway

LOL - I'm ready for them.....  box 

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
LOL - I'm ready for them..... box

You couldn't batter a Mars bar  box  fight 



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

So 7L, what's the source of your quote, where did you get it from...?

Let me know and then we'll have a discussion...  Wink



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Pretty sure I've seen this on snopes.com.. or at least an American variant.


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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 4):
So 7L, what's the source of your quote, where did you get it from...?

No source, came from an email I received. However a simple search on Google reveals many other publications of this article.

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 5):
at least an American variant.

I've seen the same thing - only with a US theme . . .


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2408 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

I totally agree with the author of that article! same situation in denmark!

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
LOL - I'm ready for them..... box

You couldn't batter a Mars bar

Well he did see off Orion Big grin
(so another fatty object shouldn't be beyond him)



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6):
No source, came from an email I received. However a simple search on Google reveals many other publications of this article.

So not a national newspaper...ah well, just not worth the effort.

From other posters, looks like it's just an anglicised version of something no doubt doing the rounds elsewhere, for any other number of other nations...

Might come back to this if it gets interesting, or if I have a bit more time...



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Agree entirely. The UK has a very proud history and heritage that is rapidly getting smothered. If you plan to live in England permenantly, you should speak the language, and do your best to fit in, while teaching your kids that they are British, not Nigerian, Egyptian, or whatever.

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 10):
So not a national newspaper...ah well, just not worth the effort

Okay the email says from a National newspaper, but also has a US autosignature. Nobody said it was a British national newspaper, and at no time did I claim to know the original source!

7L



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1223 times:

There are two brief items on the front of todays Daily Telegraph.

  • 5 million new homes will be needed over the next 20 years, 1.5 million of them to meet record immigration, says the Government.

  • Millions of homes in the South East will be subject to hosepipe bans from next month because of the worst drought in decade.

Can anyone else see a way of easing the severe water shortages that are inevitable in the South of the country?  Wink


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1213 times:
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I agree 110% you came to the country for a reason, better life, more opportunity, whatever.


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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
Agree entirely. The UK has a very proud history and heritage that is rapidly getting smothered. If you plan to live in England permenantly, you should speak the language, and do your best to fit in, while teaching your kids that they are British, not Nigerian, Egyptian, or whatever.

While I agree broadly with what you are saying, there are some problems.

Firstly, teaching children that they are 'British'. Try telling that to a supporter of the Scottish Nationalists, Plaid Cymru or Sinn Fein - I think we need a good, hard look at ourselves in Britain and once and for all define ourselves!

Secondly, the reason why some ethnic minorities in Britain don't feel British has alot to do with the established population many years ago. For example, when many people from the then British Empire first arrived in Britain to settle in the 50s/60s, for example from the Caribbean, they felt they were British first and foremost. Throughout their tenure as British subjects, the populations of the West Indian isles had been encouraged to think of Britain as home...the vast majority of Jamaicans and their Island compatriots regarded themselves as British in both name and substance. However what happened when they arrived in Britain? Signs on windows on houses available for rent reading 'No Blacks' didn't exactly foster a pride of 'Britishness', neither did discrimination at work etc. Don't get me wrong, Britain has come a long, long way since then - but the experience of their parents / grandparents and even their own experiences, especially in the 80s/90s with the Police may have done alot to discourage a sense of 'Britishness'.

Thirdly, when people thought of settling in Britain, but had little or no intention to assimilate, what exactly did the British government do to stop this? Not very much! For example, unlike the United States, Australia and many other countries, when a foreigner was granted British citizenship, he/she would be interviewed. If successful, their certificate would be send in the post - that is it, hardly a wonderful and proud moment to remember! The year 2004 was the first time ever we had 'Citizenship Ceremonies' and 'Citizenship Classes' to teach wannabe Brits our values, our languages and to instill a sense of belonging and pride. The Americans and Australians have been doing this for years. I remember watching a US citizenship ceremony many years ago, and I was impressed how the participants were so proud taking their oath of allegiance. They really did feel proud to be American.

Also, while some immigrants may be offended by the Union Flag, the vast majority are not! Most of the time it is politically correct councillors, MPs who go a bit too far - they think immigrants are offended because of British Empire etc etc . For goodness sake, they have moved on. Also, it seems that councillors and MPs can talk all day about the flag being offensive but I rarely see them claiming back the flag from the right.

Instilling a sense of belonging and citizenship is a two way process. Immigrants need to work hard to 'fit in', but the established population also has an important part to play. Meera Syal (Asian star of Goodness Gracious Me and other programmes) once said that when she grew up she felt Britain felt like home, where she belonged - she felt British. But her parents would always tell her she was Indian and the views of the established white population was that she was Indian and foreign - not British.

Personally, I feel that in an increasing globalised world, holding on to a British national identity is important. However I don't think identity should be exclusive. Many Scots for example are proud of their distinct Scottish identity and also their British identity (though an increasing number are not). So why can't a person of Indian / Jamaican descent have an Indian identity and a British identity? Britain has come along way, but I really think more needs to be done by both sides if we are to secure the future and integrity of the United Kingdom.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
Christian men and women, on Christian principles,
founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, because God is part of our culture.

Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):
This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...

Spare us the crap. Those of us who believe in a Constitutional separation of Church and State have no intentions of going anywhere else. If you want a religious symbol in public, put it on your lawn. I've driven by lots and lots of tacky homes with large plastic nativity displays with matching pink flamingos. You'll be in good company.

The United States is not the UK. We do not have an official religion. Worship as you please, but while you're at it, learn the principles inherent in the US Constitution, one of the loftiest documents ever written.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language therefore

Lovely. There is no such language as "Indian." As for speaking English, some of the worst offenders of the English language are Brits themselves, starting with those beloved iconic chavs, Posh and Beck.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):
Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles.

98% of the Founding Fathers were Masons, who had disdain for manipulative theologians of any stripe.



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
We speak ENGLISH

And our fellow countrymen and women also speak Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17):
As for speaking English, some of the worst offenders of the English language are Brits themselves,

LOL - actually no that'll be the Americans.

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):
And our fellow countrymen and women also speak Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish

A tiny tiny minority of schools actually teach this in Britain now, and an even smaller minority use it in day to day conversation.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):
and Cornish.

Hello. Did someone mention my name ?  Wink



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 20):
Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):
And our fellow countrymen and women also speak Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish

A tiny tiny minority of schools actually teach this in Britain now

Can't comment on Gaelic or Cornish, but you're wrong on the Welsh element of your comment. You'll find every school in Wales teaches Welsh, as it has done for quite a few years now. The usage and understanding of Welsh is on the increase.

(And Cornish, you can go back to your afternoon nap now... you know how much you need it... Wink)



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User currently offlineSenorcarnival From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):

Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...

This mentality of "put up or shut up" is crap. I thought this was the land of the free, so while you are (arguably) well within your rights to put a 10 Commandments monument in front of your courthouse, I'm also within my rights to bitch and moan about it.


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1066 times:

We were discussing this in Religion today at school. We all agreed that an 'immigrant' should adopt the way of life that the countries citizens have. For example immigrants in the UK should adopt the British way of life, immigrants in France should adopt the French way of life and so on.

Aren't immigrants moving away from their country for a better and different life? The immigrants here don't seem to do that, many group together and carry on their lives as if they were still in their home country.

Just my input  Smile



Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
25 Ussherd : There is no reason why immigrants can't maintain their own language and culture and also fully integrate into society. I know something about this, si
26 Mdsh00 : Ok so I'm born and raised in the US, but I'm not a Christian/Jew and I would rather not see the 10 Commandments displayed on public property. But the
27 7LBAC111 : Fair enough - you are better placed than I to comment on that. Okay back to the tiopic - all I wanted to know, as per the last line of the quote, is
28 Post contains images BR076 : If it was only that , ok , we don't bother you, you don't bother us , but it now even come so far that there are immigrant workgroups that want us to
29 Post contains images Skidmarks : I do agree immigration does erode the base fabric of whatever society the migrant arrives in. However, that's how societies evolve and progress. But,
30 7FTwinOtter : I believe that article is mostly correct but I also think most Brits don�t realise that Britain is where it is today because we fucked over a lot
31 Travelin man : Wait, if you don't like QE2, you need to move? Do all Brits like the queen? And what the hell is "Poppy Day"? Do you all have to like that as well? A
32 777236ER : More jingoistic nonsense. The vast majority of people on benefits are white people. The teenage girls you see walking down the street with pushchairs
33 Jafa39 : I have lived in 3 other countries apart from the Uk, in every case I made an effort to learn the language and the culture and fit in as best I could..
34 Concorde001 : Absolutely correct. That is why I find it hypocritical when some of my fellow countrymen and women can lecture immigrants all day about fitting in, b
35 Dougloid : In a word, malarkey. Horse feathers. Bull pucky. Horse doodoo. If that's so, what was all that blue woad about, and who built Stonehenge? Pagans, tha
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