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Racisim And Prejudice Still?  
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

I just watched the movie Crash for the second time, and i have to say that it is really sad the situation presented. Is this a true representation of life in a city like LA. Is there still so much racism and prejudice in the world? The prejudice was seen from from all sides of the table.

I am originally from a Caribbean island, and admittedly some people do have prejudiced thinking, but I have never experienced it to this great level. Maybe I am being naive, but I think that racism is rather pointless. If people are upset about things that happened in past well that is just it, it is the past we need to move on. I can't help but see Black, Indian, White, Asian, Hispanics as just human. I have no preconceived ideas as to what type of person they are just because of their race.

What do you think?


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

The answer to your question is yes and no (re:LA and the world). A lot of progress has been made first off. Secondly, you sound as idealistic as most people do and actually are, however, that will give way to certain harsh realities if you - as you say are (black) caribbean. If you're white-born caribbean you can experience 'lockout' by a group of blacks of anytype, but that's not systematic or institutional as white-on-black racism. Sure, most people want to look past the horrific history of racism in America/the world... but that's how it's kept alive for someone else to use as a weapon again and again as soon as people forget about it. Historians on the subject admit that, the problem cannot go away entirely until it is confronted head-on. It's like a cancer, it's infection is so deep, it'll continue to return until it's dealt with more seriously than has been thus far.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

I think so because I have seen students treated completely differently based on race by some teachers and administrators. If the kid was black, it seemed that people were much more likely to say "We're not wasting money time etc." on him, if the kid's white, then Johnny just needs another chance. It doesn't help either because the black kids get shafted and learn not to even try and the white kid gets the mistaken impression that he can get away with things and there will be no consequences.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

Good points guys, i agree with you both. I am black and from the caribbean. The truth of the matter is, that racism was really terrible many years ago, with slavery and all of that. But that is history, and this type of thing existed way before European/American - African slavery, we are talking about since the Eygyptians etc... But that is all history.

In this day and age, it still does exist in many parts of the world, maybe just on different levels. I will also say that it exists on both sides of coin, usually depending on which race is majortity.

The situation Nancy pointed out is just sad, and even sadder that it really does exist, and many others like it.

Then in places like the caribbean it exists where white people are sometimes the victim of racism from black people, maybe not in a very open way all the time, but exists nonetheless.

Then we have middle eastern people (regardless of their country of origin or religion) who are victims of racism, latin americans (regardless of their country of origin) and the list goes on.

But it seems to exist more with older people, i say that to say my parents generation (not my parents). And people my age teens, early twenties seem to be a little more open minded. (at least from my point of view)

Do you think that means racism is on a slow decline or as we all get older it develops?



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

Quoting Nancy (Reply 2):
I think so because I have seen students treated completely differently based on race by some teachers and administrators. If the kid was black, it seemed that people were much more likely to say "We're not wasting money time etc." on him, if the kid's white, then Johnny just needs another chance. It doesn't help either because the black kids get shafted and learn not to even try and the white kid gets the mistaken impression that he can get away with things and there will be no consequences.

Very well said Nancy, a good example, if the 3 kids in Alabama who burned down all those churches, were black kids--there's NO WAY IN HELL they'd be out on bail like the 3 white kids got of today. We just had the trial here (actually in Orange County) where 3 guys (one the son of a sheriff deputy) raped and sodomized (foreign objects) another female coed--AND VIDEOTAPED IT! WITH the video-tape, they were offered a deal of 1 year with time served with an admission of guilt, they declined. The trial proceeded, and they ended up with 6 years each. Now, if those 3 young men were black, tell me where you've EVER seen such a plea deal and even the harsher sentence of 6 years (and early/release & probation avail) for a rape given in such a ridiculous fashion to these clowns. The guy in NYC-Littlejon has already been tried in the press, before the DNA results, every show on TV has already convinced everyone he raped/murdered Ms. St. Guillen. If it's proven he did, then throw the book at him..but they're already heating up the 'chair' and moving it next to his jail cell...! You point out what the young blacks see in school and what discourages them...well they also see the exact same injustice in the legal system and learn not to trust it at a very early age and carry that mistrust for the rest of their lives.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):
Good points guys, i agree with you both. I am black and from the caribbean. The truth of the matter is, that racism was really terrible many years ago, with slavery and all of that. But that is history, and this type of thing existed way before European/American - African slavery, we are talking about since the Eygyptians etc... But that is all history.

Well two problems here. 1) You are summarily dismissing the lingering effects of what happened a long, long time ago. Those effects are so damaging it's screwing with people's lives and heads to this very day. The example Nancy points out stems directly from what you say happened a long time ago. So when you dismiss the after-effects (legacy) of Slavery, you're saying let's jump from the Revolutionary War and go the Vietnam War... you can't do that, there's a lotta shit in between and it certainly has meaning and consequences!

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):
Then in places like the caribbean it exists where white people are sometimes the victim of racism from black people, maybe not in a very open way all the time, but exists nonetheless.

I've seen that, but addressed it in my 1st reply. Now that is what's known as systemic and institutionalized racism, but it doesn't exist to the extent NOR the extreme of which it exist here in the US. The US has had a lot more practice at it and has historically mastered the means.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):
But it seems to exist more with older people, i say that to say my parents generation (not my parents). And people my age teens, early twenties seem to be a little more open minded. (at least from my point of view)

Actually, the older the generation, the more patience you're going to find (passive anger but a great deal of tongue-biting patience). The younger the generation, the more tolerance BUT also there will be less patience for those who may not see change happening fast enough...beware, don't let a 'steadfast look of inaction' deceive you and get you to believe younger people ARE NOT taking notice... they're rejection of intergration among student-interaction in middle and high schools is a perfect sign of this and it DOES NOT bode well for the future.. there's a reason they are choosing to remain seperate at such a young age. And it ain't a good one. as Nancy points out, they see the difference in how they are treated, they recognize the inequality quite quickly and withdraw from the process= why bother when you already know the results.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):
Do you think that means racism is on a slow decline or as we all get older it develops?

Not a chance, racism is also very powerful political tool as well, too many members of society are prone to falling for the most simple of racist tactics. It has worked like a charm in nearly every situation where it has been employed... and too many younger people fall for it just as swiftly as their parents do.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

My last trip to LA, (12 months ago), we got involved in a corporate sports day with my company and a few other local companies/organisations.

Whilst we are all quite competitive in nature, it was essentially a fun, team building sort of atmosphere, as opposed to a highly charged competitive sporting event.

We were playing basketball, and we were amazed when one of our opponents shoved one of our team and said, "keep your hands off me you f**** n***"!

What was bizarre is that the opposing team were representatives from a local church group. I couldn't believe it! My colleague to which the remark was directed merely smiled at him and said, "I think you should probably take a break if you're getting that excited out here".

And the worst thing about it all, they kicked our arse. I was hoping for one of those moments of cosmic justice but it never came!


User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Well, a guest just called ME prejudice because I would not give some random person a room key to her room..

Soory, but i don't care who you are. If your name is not on the account and you don't have ID to prove that you are the room renter, no key..

Odd

Chris



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 4):
Not a chance, racism is also very powerful political tool as well, too many members of society are prone to falling for the most simple of racist tactics. It has worked like a charm in nearly every situation where it has been employed... and too many younger people fall for it just as swiftly as their parents do.

I was hoping that i was not just being naive about the situation. But i guess racism still continues down to this day.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 4):
Those effects are so damaging it's screwing with people's lives and heads to this very day. The example Nancy points out stems directly from what you say happened a long time ag

How do we even begin to change? OR do we just accept as part of life..? I have seen much hate on the side of blacks and on the side of whites and from other ethnic groups when i am in US. It is really sad i must say, and I don't know if i am just being naive but i find it so pointless and hard to accept. When you look at case for instance like in the movie, when the white lady held on to her husband when the black guys were walking up, I mean I think of being that lady maybe i might have done the same thing. I mean you cant be sure, but maybe it is not worth finding out by being adventurous. But it could have been white criminals as well. Hmm I guess the plot is very thick, there are lot of issues involved. Hopefully, maybe things may get better as we go along. It is left in our hands to be openminded and to see each person as nothing more than a person, regardless of race. Every little bit helps.

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 6):
Well, a guest just called ME prejudice because I would not give some random person a room key to her room..

Soory, but i don't care who you are. If your name is not on the account and you don't have ID to prove that you are the room renter, no key..

You make perfect sense, and she without thinking too much is just using racism as an excuse...



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1043 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
I was hoping that i was not just being naive about the situation. But i guess racism still continues down to this day.

Unfortunately, yes it does. But I don't think you're as naive about this given your age.. plus your discussion shows you're aware and awareness will serve you far better than naivety will. The naive person is shocked and caught of guard.. the aware person is prepared and most likely one to take preemptive measures to prevent a disaster..--for him/herself or someone else!

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):

How do we even begin to change? OR do we just accept as part of life..?

Just like what you say below, we can all only do the best we can until Society owns up as whole and shoulders some of the burden.

Quoting Captaink (Reply 7):
I have seen much hate on the side of blacks and on the side of whites and from other ethnic groups when i am in US. It is really sad i must say, and I don't know if i am just being naive but i find it so pointless and hard to accept.

Don't let it get you down, let it make you more determined not to pretend it doesn't exist.. but only that you won't stand for it.

[quote=Captaink,reply=7 Hopefully, maybe things may get better as we go along. It is left in our hands to be openminded and to see each person as nothing more than a person, regardless of race. Every little bit helps.[/quote]

Absolutely... we can all only do so much.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
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