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How Do You Feel About The Death Penalty?  
User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

In my humble opinion , If you INTENIONALLY kill someone (without them trying to kill you and you doing it in self defense) its the old saying, an eye for an eye ( in this case a life for a life). however it if isnt Intentional murder as in 2nd degree (like shaking a baby and it dies which has actually happened) i say the death penalty shouldnt go. Whats your feeling on this?

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User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

No matter what was done, or how heinous the crime is, i find the death penalty to be disgusting as the original crime itself.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

I fully support the death penalty for those convicted of either premeditated murder, murder in commission of another crime, treason, or terrorism.

I would also support it for child rapists as those kind of scum have demonstrated over and over that they will not stop.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

captainjon,
would you feel the same if someone did some nasty things to --your--family member?????im for the death penalty--and--have a brother in a federal pen for some really bad stuff(did not involve kids or sex)but none the less he needs to pay for his dealings with drugs,a motorcycle gand and some mafia guys...and alot of people are affected by what he and his thugs did...fry them



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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

The death penalty is wrong for me because I believe the New Testament of the Bible and I don't think Jesus would kill anyone, ever. It isn't our place to take a life, ever. God will determine justice.

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to at once claim you have a 'culture of life' and that this should protect unborn fetuses - while at the same time being rabid supporters of the death penalty.

...which is the situation I find among the current US administration and among many 'religious' Republicans in general.

Cairo


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21680 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

I don't like it. Never have, and probably never will.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 3):
would you feel the same if someone did some nasty things to --your--family member?????

If someone did nasty things to my family, sure, I'd initially want them dead. But that's my desire for revenge talking, and the state is in the business of justice, not revenge. Killing a defenseless person is never justified, not when a criminal does it, and not when the state does it either.

EDITED to remove cheesy overused phrase that didn't add much to the argument....

-Mir

[Edited 2006-03-18 07:56:35]


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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

There will probably always be those not worthy to live, and that is not for us to guess from anything other than their actions (not even intentions). I firmly believe this.

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

I support the death penalty. Scum who kill other human beings intentionally don't deserve to live. Unfortunately we don't have it in this country.


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User currently offlineNorthwest_guy From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 217 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Thread starter):
In my humble opinion , If you INTENIONALLY kill someone (without them trying to kill you and you doing it in self defense) its the old saying, an eye for an eye ( in this case a life for a life). however it if isnt Intentional murder as in 2nd degree (like shaking a baby and it dies which has actually happened) i say the death penalty shouldnt go

I agree completely with you.


User currently offlineStuckinMAF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3220 times:



User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3211 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Thread starter):
eye for an eye

You could just as well "turn the other cheek." Religion (any religion) should have no place in shaping top level policy in any country that claims to afford freedom of religion. I think that instead of the death penalty offenders should be sentenced to back breaking hard labour for life.

YOWza



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3209 times:

I'm all for it.

If you intentionally kill someone and it is proven that you are in fact the killer and you intended to do it, beyond the shadow of a doubt, I say bring on the needle.

Or like was said above, if you're robbing a bank and shoot someone, death penalty still applies.

I am one of those that still believe that death is warranted in some cases for some people, and that if it is used properly and swiftly, it could be an effective deterrent. The way it is now with people waiting 15 years to get executed, it's not so much of a deterrent in my mind.

Just my 2 cents.

Neil


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Personally I'm against it, as I feel it's not my right to decide on the life of another human being.

However, over here the prison system, as well as the judicial system, can be such a crap at times... Criminals are often acquitted due to lack of sufficient proof, and those who do get a prison sentence use their time in jail to improve their "skills". Instead of releasing productive members of society, the prisons work as professional thug schools.  sarcastic  Send a pickpocket to jail, and you'll get an organized band leader. Yes, there are times when I think death penalty would be the only way to get rid of these scum.  Sad

Actually death penalty is allowed in the country. However, the law establishes that as a last resort, the President can pardon the condemned person, thus switching death penalty for a prison sentence. The last two Presidents have refused to have a say on this matter, so currently there are several death row prisoners left in limbo. What's the use then?

That's my take on the issue, from a very frustrated (but nevertheless proud) Guatemalan.

Saludos  airplane 



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3202 times:
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Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 12):
it's not my right to decide on the life of another human being

That in a nutshell is what is wrong with judicial systems world wide (well let's say western societies). Everyone is so concerned with the criminals' rights. What gave the murderer the right to decide on the life of their victim? Why should they have any more rights than the person that they chose to kill?

I am fully in favour of capital punishment, the crime rate has gone through the roof here since it was abolished.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10102 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
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Quoting Garri767 (Thread starter):
however it if isnt Intentional murder as in 2nd degree (like shaking a baby and it dies which has actually happened) i say the death penalty shouldnt go. Whats your feeling on this?

Actually, in general, 2nd degree murder is still intentional; it's just not pre-meditated. Manslaughter is unintentional. Though murder definitions do vary from state to state.

Anyway, to answer the original question, I'm against the death penalty.

~Vik



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1287 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 4):
I think it is the height of hypocrisy to at once claim you have a 'culture of life' and that this should protect unborn fetuses - while at the same time being rabid supporters of the death penalty.



We've progressed way past the old theory of an eye for an eye. Why should we have to kill people in order to prove that killing people is wrong?

[Edited 2006-03-18 08:48:40]


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10102 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3181 times:
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Quoting Cairo (Reply 4):

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to at once claim you have a 'culture of life' and that this should protect unborn fetuses - while at the same time being rabid supporters of the death penalty.

I agree, but this goes both ways. There are plenty of people (generally Democrats) who support abortion but are against the death penalty.

~Vik



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3158 times:

I am simply for the abolition of the death penalty. There for sure sometimes are persons who in my mind would deserve death and whatever, but I am still strictly against the death penalty.
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The death penalty not only is wrong and immoral, it also in too many cases may be done by error, OR as in the USA after having kept the "victim" in storage for ages. The death penalty does NOT have a proven effect as deterrant, and at worst may people even become more lethal when realising that they have no hope anyway.
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The abolition of the death penalty in Western Europe has NOT lead to an increase of crime, so that the abolition as such is no risk.
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The death penalty is simply an act of revenge, and of no further value.
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3154 times:

Not AGAIN!?!?!?!?! Garri, you forget how to use a search function or are you just  stirthepot  so you can read more of the same shit from the same people?

I only went as far back as December . . . didn't think it was worth any more than that.

If I was a moderator I'd shitcan this entire thread as overly redundant.


Here - gorge yourself on this topic - which has been beaten to death as recently as a month ago . . . . sarcastic :

RE: CA Execution Delayed As Doctors Walked Out (by B707321C Feb 22 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1124082

RE: San Diego County Cop Killer Gets Death Pentalty (by KaiGywer Feb 13 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1113114

DNA Test Proves A Guilty Man Was Executed (by Halls120 Jan 13 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1068078

RE: Is The Death Penalty Unfair For Murderers? (by Molykote Dec 25 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1046588

RE: Death Penalty And Penal Reforms (by Thorben Dec 20 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1041362

RE: "The Governator" Strikes Back (by Superfly Dec 20 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1041575

RE: CA To Execute "Tookie" Williams Tonight! (by ANCFlyer Dec 13 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1034482

RE: Grilling A Death Candidate For 2 Decades? (by Slider Dec 13 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1034291

RE: Singapore: Can't Find Hangman For Executions (by HKGKaiTak Nov 30 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1020823

RE: 1000th Execution In The USA To Be Carried Out (by Solarix Dec 1 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1021854


User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 3):
captainjon,
would you feel the same if someone did some nasty things to --your--family member?????

absolutely, it is still disgusting only because it then becomes legal revenge having the government do your bidding. they should rot in prison for the rest of their natural lives. Life without probation is more punishment than the death penalty. not only is it cheaper to keep them alive, they then have to sit in a small cell for the rest of their lives.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3131 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 4):

I think it is the height of hypocrisy to at once claim you have a 'culture of life' and that this should protect unborn fetuses - while at the same time being rabid supporters of the death penalty.

The arguement is that the unborn baby, obviously, did nothing wrong, while the person sentenced to death indirectly chose death. I agree, it is a contradiction.

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 12):
Instead of releasing productive members of society, the prisons work as professional thug schools.

Just reading that, I think that prisons should have schools in them where someone can get a diploma or certificate in something, like practical nursing, plebotomy, etc. I read a story about a woman that was released from jail in Reader's Digest (I think). After being "turned loose" she had no home, no job and no posessions. Her support system was corrupt and they were part of the reason she was in jail. She was back in jail in less than a week.

I would generally support the ability for the jury to choose the death penalty, but I think if I were on the jury I would not be able to choose that option and I certainly wouldn't be involved in anyway.

AAndrew


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3123 times:

The Death Penalty is not the problem, the problem is the lawyers. Someone like Scott Peterson will have his death sentence carried out sometime in the mid 2010s at the earliest. Hell, if Charles Manson's death sentence wouldn't have been commuted to life when the Death Penalty was declared unconstitutional in the 1970s, he'd probably would still be on Death Row. In the meantime, the lawyers try to get an appeal for a new trial or to have the sentence commuted to life, which is part of the reason why it takes at least 10 years in most states from the time of conviction until the time the punishment is carried out. We had the right to a speedy trial, what about the right to have a sentence carried out in a timely manner? It costs more to house a Death Row inmate because of the extra security and the long drawn out legal cases. It used to be that a death sentence would be carried out ASAP after the decision was rendered. Why can't we go back to that?

As for those who think the Death Penalty is "Cruel and Unusual Punishment", being murdered is cruel and unusual punishment as well. It seems as those the victim(s) of a murder get forgotten about while trying to prevent a convicted criminal from having a death sentence carried out.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 21):
the problem is the lawyers. Someone like Scott Peterson will have his death sentence carried out sometime in the mid 2010s at the earliest. Hell, if Charles Manson's

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THIS exactly is THE approach I reject. To talk about technicalities, about details, about procedures, about lawyers, about some individuals (of many I would agree that the world might be a better place without). While the basic point is that the capital punishment as the death-penalty should be abolished worldwide.


User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

The following were found guilty of murder...clearly at the time of their convictions they ought to have been sentenced to death. Right?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/wrongfullyconvicted/


User currently onlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2152 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting Garri767 (Thread starter):
How Do You Feel About The Death Penalty?

Hmmm ... I'm not sure I'd like it personally, I prefer to suffer for my sins.  Smile



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25 Post contains images Garri767 : shhh
26 DC-10 Levo : I also support it. The sooner the UK brings it back, the better our country will be. (Yeah I know it'll never happen). DC-10
27 Post contains images Nordair : Shannon, does that carton say "GOP"?
28 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Nope it says "POP" Whatsa matter with you Canucks?? Can't read plain non-vulcan English?
29 Euclid : Then what gave the murderer that right? It may not be a deterrant, but what it does accomplish is to rid the world of the useless piece of scumsuckin
30 CO7e7 : I don't see anything wrong with the Death Penalty, on the contrary, i think it's a very good way to get rid of the scum bags in society. If one commit
31 Alias1024 : This is why the death penalty is wrong, not right. You are correct that no person has the right to kill another person. So why do 12 jurors get the r
32 Post contains images Mir : I guess it's not "logical" enough for them. -Mir
33 Post contains images RobertNL070 : Countries that have abolished capital punishment are to be applauded. But I am not going to get all het-up and emotional about it. Judicial authoritie
34 Bushpilot : I am pro-death penalty under the correct circumstances, fool proof evidence the right person is being executed being one of them. One could also argue
35 Byronsterk : I think a criminal should get a punishment as rough as what he has done to his victim. If a murderer kills his victim slowly over a 24 hour period i t
36 Texan : I feel it is wrong. I am anti-murder, be it by an individual, a group, or a state. To me the death penalty is merely state sanctioned murder. A group
37 Greasespot : My Brother was murdererd......I still am anti- death penalty....So chew on that....Kind of tosses out the argument that when a persons family member
38 CaptainJon : i absolutley agree with you. the governor should be accountable as he is the one that signs the death warrant or refuses to grant clemency. murder is
39 ME AVN FAN : - the "examples" are just what I reject. True enough, there ARE culprits for who I would personally wish the must gruesome execution possible. BUT we
40 Euclid : And as I said in the same post that you quote me from, it may not be a deterrant, but the purpose it does serve is to remove these useless pieces of
41 TWISTEDWHISPER : Right, it has been brought up many times before. But hey, shall we be allowed to discuss each subject once? I don't think so. I am against death pena
42 Post contains images SA7700 : So what do you suggest as an acceptable solution? The world has become so entangled in the protection of human rights, that offenders in the end, hav
43 NeilYYZ : Accidents are unfortunate and extrodinarily regrettable. They have happened in the past, however, with each accident comes greater scrutiny on the pr
44 ME AVN FAN : The ways it is done in Western Europe. Without death penalty. As simple as that. Criminals do NOT "roam the streets freely" in Western Europe.
45 ANCFlyer : Nope, they go to jail for a year or two THEN get out to roam the streets . . . . Certainly not. That said I do believe we've had overkill on this top
46 ME AVN FAN : It depends on the crime. Penalties can go up to 20 years, and there is the possibility to keep somebody "kept inside" for an indefinite period, but o
47 Post contains links ANCFlyer : RE: Germany Releases Terrorist (by NoUFO Dec 20 2005 in Non Aviation)#ID1041177 Case Rest.
48 ME AVN FAN : THAT man was in prison for 19/nineteen years, and not just for one or two. And so served a full sentence.
49 ANCFlyer : I can read. The point ME AVN FAN is that the sentence was typical for Western European courts, and IMO, not nearly harsh enough. And the asshole is b
50 Boeing Nut : In some cases, it's not brutal enough. Also, if the person sentenced to death is guilty with no reasonable doubt whatsoever, carry out the sentence w
51 ME AVN FAN : yes, after having served his prison sentence after two decades. His "old buddies" may either no longer be around, have changed their political positi
52 ANCFlyer : The Hezbollah will look upon him as a martyr - or at the very least an icon - of faith and allegiance to whatever trumped up bizarre cause they have,
53 Post contains images Nordair : That is what was believed 15 years ago. So the death penality guarantees a "better" country? How fascinating. If you really want Canada to be a "bett
54 NIKV69 : Shannon, I share your state's view on this. HANG EM HIGH
55 Greasespot : So if you were one of those accidents I wonder how you wuld feel.... GS
56 CO7e7 : This violates the defendant's 8th Amendment Right of Cruel and Unusual Punishment! Mistakes happen. Look at it this way though: Ambulances are a good
57 ME AVN FAN : maybe. But he is definitely outdated, and the younger generation will honourably dispatch him into early retirement. I rather see him as a salesman i
58 AndesSMF : I dont really have a problem with the death penalty. Many years ago, my ex-girlfriend had an mutually agreed abortion. Late 2003 our third baby died
59 Cfalk : But we can set up the meeting. It's called "being responsible for your actions". The natural state of a person is life. A fetus/baby which is growing
60 FXramper : agreed.
61 SDLSimme : I, as a beliving christian, feel that death penalty is one of the worst things we can do. I can understand that people who aren't christians might be
62 Cfalk : Can you give me a quote on that? I find that to be a lot of horse-pucky. Judging ones actions and those of others is essential to Christianity. Not n
63 SDLSimme : I can't give you an exact quote, but that's how I have put together all the bits and pieces of information I have gotten during my life. Ok, it might
64 767Lover : The "human" side of me doesn't like the idea of the death penalty. However, the intellectual and rational side of me cannot justify allowing admitted,
65 FSPilot747 : The only reason I am against the death penalty is because the system is not 100% foolproof, which means that innocents can, will, and have been wrongl
66 Bushpilot : When I talked about pomp and circumstance I meant the countless appeals, potential govenor pardons etc. The media probably does have a deterring fact
67 UAalltheway : If the dude has a life sentence anyways, what's the point of wasting our tax dollars to keep him alive?
68 Post contains images Texan : Well put, Matthew does set it out very clearly. Texan
69 AirTran737 : Throw the switch and watch 'em twitch. filler
70 NeilYYZ : I've though of it. Sorry to dissapoint you, not just yet. I know accidents happen, and I would feel terrible. No question. However, I just read an ar
71 CaptainJon : i agree with you there i cant agree with you on that one
72 Cfalk : That is my reasoning as well. The death penalty should be virtually foolproof and fast (like, 2 weeks maximum from the judge handing down the sentenc
73 LTU932 : I'm all for it, especially for murderers or rapists. It may not be an effective deterrant, but what it comes down to, is if someone takes another per
74 Post contains links and images Eilennaei : Finland, the late 1700s. An executed man's head, the torso, and the hand that did the criminal deed each placed onto their separate wheels. His crime
75 Euclid : It very certainly made him stop drinking and fighting.
76 MKEdude : Unlike most of my fellow liberals I support the death penalty...in theory. However practice is another matter. I believe that there are some crimes so
77 A332 : Well you should... It appears Kansas would be a perfect fit for you! How convenient that you also left out the fact that he has been in prison for 21
78 WGW2707 : I'm sure Scott Peterson would disagree vehemently with you on that point. I think capital punishment is probably over-used at the moment, and I think
79 AGM100 : Its Great !!! I dont really care , I will never have to worry about it .
80 MKEdude : The execption that proves the rule.
81 NeilYYZ : It's not convienient that I left that out, that is not relevant in my opinion. When the woman that he murdered comes back, then I'll have no problem
82 NeilYYZ : I thought Canada prided itself on welcoming all people, and yet, you seem to want me to leave because we have a difference of opinion. So much for th
83 Post contains links MDorBust : Why? Because they don't. You made that up. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=5&did=184
84 FDXMECH : Well put. However in some cases, I believe some countries should reinstate hard labour as a punishment. So the person can at least spend your life se
85 Beefstew25 : I think the system has socioeconomic issues, not race issues. I now expect someone to blather on about the plight of poor Tookie Williams. He was exe
86 Texan : You are correct. Death row only has 3 times the percentage of African Americans as there are in the general population. Texan
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