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So My Job Is Going To India  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Hello all,

I have know it for a long time now but it is only now that the end date is known.

As of July 1st I shall (...) be made redundant in my current company.

If I stay until the end I will (me) get the following payouts :

€ 1500 in April
€ 1500 in May
€ 1500 in June

6 weeks' pay per 12 months worked (roughly € 5500 in my case).

Would you stay until the end or bail it now ?

UTA  checkeredflag 


Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

If you're not independently wealthy enough not to ever work again, or to take enough time off between jobs to earn Mileage Plus 1K status during your break, begin looking now.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3158 times:
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Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
Would you stay until the end or bail it now ?

I would start looking now, and let prospective employers know that your start date will be once you finish this job. Also there is a chance that the move will not run smoothly and you might be asked to stay on longer to assist and could negotiate more dollars if you stayed.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
So My Job Is Going To India

Bloody foreigners  Wink



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Bloody foreigners

Yeah, they always leave farmers gates open when travelling between fort william and glasgow! Hell stopping a train to close each one!

Oh you said foreigners, well.. same thing.. your past the wall...  stirthepot 

Lew


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

So the € 5500 is above and beyond your normal salary, which presumably you'd still be collecting?

If so, stick it out, and if you need to leave every now and then for an interview, do so. What's the worst they could do? Fire you? Then at least you'll get unemployment, plus whatever pay-outs that had been made.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Bloody foreigners

India could grant you asylum due to economic reasons  Wink


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

3 month notice periods are extremely common anyway, so apply for every job going and treat it like that. I assume these payments are on top of your salary? That being the case, I can't imagine why you'd want to leave early. Any employer who wants you to work for them will wait for 3 months; if it was longer, then it might be an issue, but otherwise, just make the most of all the extra money.


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 5):
So the € 5500 is above and beyond your normal salary, which presumably you'd still be collecting?

Just reread my post and it appears I have not explained it well.

Obviously on TOP of my normal salary :

€ 1500 in April
€ 1500 in May
€ 1500 in June

and then € 5500 when I get shown the door.

UTA  checkeredflag 



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

So 10,000 Euros on top of salary?

Not bad. Especially when you have 3 months + to line up something else. Think how happy you'll be knowing you have something to go to when you finish. Get another job lined up for when you finish, and enjoy the bonus.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineHBDAN From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 661 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 9):
Not bad. Especially when you have 3 months + to line up something else. Think how happy you'll be knowing you have something to go to when you finish. Get another job lined up for when you finish, and enjoy the bonus.

 yes 



Next flight: hopefully soon...
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 3023 times:

UTA - having been through redundancy before - best thing to do is start looking NOW . I had three months notice, and started in a new job within 6 weeks of being made redundant as I started looking immediatly from when they told us what was happening.

Depending on what level you are, it will take you three to five months to find a proper job. Dont leave the waiting till the end. Also, morale will fall through the floor once the people start leaving. Do you want to be there at the very end?

Even if you leave today you get the €5.5k. The remainder of the cash could be used up in a flash if you dont find a job pretty quickly. The company are paying you this for their benefit, not yours. Remember that the €5.5k is tax free - the remainder isnt.

For the second time in two days - I really recommend this book

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At £12.99, its superb. Well well worth the investment in your career.

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
6 weeks' pay per 12 months worked.

Thats quite a fair redundancy package.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 3019 times:

I'd say stay, but start looking for a new job now, while you have a chance.


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 3007 times:

Stay but start looking, otherwise, http://www.airindia.in might be getting some cash from you shortly.

Lew


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting EWS (Reply 13):
Stay but start looking, otherwise, http://www.airindia.in might be getting some cash from you shortly.

They could need some cash to update their rusty webpage


User currently offline53Sqdn From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2997 times:

Wanta buy a (white) elephant?

Apply for a job in the Indian jobs trade.

There's a vacancy in the Taj Mahal, Bombay duck or whatever the name of your local eating establishment is called Big grin

John


User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 14):
They could need some cash to update their rusty webpage

Correct, and if he's doing 8 hour shifts, its some travelling time to work and back!

Lew


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting 53Sqdn (Reply 15):
There's a vacancy in the Taj Mahal, Bombay duck or whatever the name of your local eating establishment is called

 rotfl 


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineKBOS From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2985 times:

when your job gets to India, maybe it can look up my job and do lunch.....


I don't care if the sun don't shine, I do my drinkin in the evening time when I'm in Rhode Island
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 11):
UTA - having been through redundancy before - best thing to do is start looking NOW . I had three months notice, and started in a new job within 6 weeks of being made redundant as I started looking immediatly from when they told us what was happening.

Of course, but there's nothing to stop you looking whilst taking the extra money. Leaving now would be silly, throwing away a salary and a bonus. As far as interviews and the like are concerned, I've a feeling that under these circumstances companies must release you to go to interviews a certain number of times under EU law, but I'm not certain on that - maybe one of our legally qualified people can comment.

As for the morale problems, they're nothing compared to loss in morale from sitting at home trying to find work whilst the money's running out. You have to keep working - and looking - as long as you can. I do agree with you that staying on until the end and then looking for work is a terrible idea, but you can combine both.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days ago) and read 2963 times:

Isn't it interesting when these pricks ring you up and the conversation goes something like :

"Hello my name is Bruce from *******" (said in a voice that makes the funniest voice from "It ain't half hot Mum" sound serious)

"Yes Bruce where are you calling from?"

"I'm calling from Melbourne."

"What's the weather like there Bruce?"

"It is a typically wonderfully sunny day in Melbourne"

"That's funny Bruce I just looked at the weather radar and it was raining in Melbourne"

"Oh! I'm sure it was just an aberation"

"Yeah I'm sure it was."

"Anyway what I am calling you about is ..."

"What did you say your name was?"

"Ahhh Ahhh Ahhh Bruce!"

"And how do you spell that Bruce?"

"Ahh Ahh Umm ..."

"Have a nice day in Bombay Bruce. See ya!" Click



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 19):
Of course, but there's nothing to stop you looking whilst taking the extra money. Leaving now would be silly, throwing away a salary and a bonus. As far as interviews and the like are concerned, I've a feeling that under these circumstances companies must release you to go to interviews a certain number of times under EU law, but I'm not certain on that - maybe one of our legally qualified people can comment.

As for the morale problems, they're nothing compared to loss in morale from sitting at home trying to find work whilst the money's running out. You have to keep working - and looking - as long as you can. I do agree with you that staying on until the end and then looking for work is a terrible idea, but you can combine both.

Been there seen that done that. Agree completely with Banco.

I got told a year (  Wow! ) before I left IATA that I was to be made redundant. They gave me a really good package to make it worthwhile that I stayed. For much of that year it wasn't exactly clear when I was leaving but towards the end it was ( say three months) and thats when I started doing some serious job hunting.

By the time you set up interviews and the like, the time will soon pass and it may be that in effect you have your first interview in a few weeks and a second one a week later and by then you are only two months left. Then give time to have a contract sent to you and for you to accept and its a month and half maybe. No employer if he thinks you are right for a good job is going to complain that you can start in a month and half rather than a month. If worst comes to worse tell them you have a holiday booked and can't start till x-date.

And if you do have interviews then if you've got a sympathetic boss like I had they'll turn a blind eye to a few interviews. If the worst comes to the worst have the odd sick day - after all you'll be stressed from the redundancy.

Either way keep working and take the payout and go to interviews in the meantime. I was lucky I did that - got a bumper payout and had a job lined up to start once i finished my old job. By the time I had gone through everything I accepted the new job with about a month to go bfore i finished at the old job - one month notice and so it all worked fine.

There's no reason why you can't do the same.

[Edited 2006-03-21 18:52:25]


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
Would you stay until the end or bail it now ?

I would stay until the end but do no useful work at all. I know you work in IT so if your job involves programming I would go through all the codes you have made while working for the company, and that are still in use, and make them as difficult to understand as possible... the idea would be: if they want to outsource work because labour in India costs half as much, make them work twice as hard.



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User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 22):
I would stay until the end but do no useful work at all. I know you work in IT so if your job involves programming I would go through all the codes you have made while working for the company, and that are still in use, and make them as difficult to understand as possible... the idea would be: if they want to outsource work because labour in India costs half as much, make them work twice as hard.
That's not nice. You do remember that he is getting PAID to do his job. As much as it is difficult and painful to lose one's job, most people are consummate professionals and will do the job they are being paid for. I personally wouldn't work as hard, but I would still do the job I am being paid for .

As for the original question....Continue to get as much income as possible until another job lands you.

And also, learn Hindi, hopefully you can stomach curry.

Edited for grammar and spelling.

[Edited 2006-03-21 22:52:44]


Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting LH477 (Reply 23):
As much as it difficult and painful to lose one's job, most people are consumate professionals and will do the job they are being paid for. I personally wouldn't work as hard, but I would still do the job I am being paid.

True, but you should still work as hard as you can right to the very end. You lost your job, and thats terrible. But, I'm sure you also have a reputation that you'd like to uphold, so work as hard as you can, and maybe get a good reference or two out of the managers above you or something. There's no point in burning bridges, especially when you'll be looking for work in the near future.

- Neil


25 LH477 : It's about morale. When you know you don't have a secure income, one tends to be a bit down. Most people tend to put the extra effort hoping for a pr
26 NeilYYZ : I won't debate that for a second. But I think that when looking at the big picture, you need to do your best, hope for good reccomendations and make
27 CastleIsland : Of course, if I could add, then I'd say perhaps you explained it OK. Sounds like a sweet deal! € 10,000 is nothing to sneeze at, that's for sure. M
28 ScarletHarlot : I went through this a couple of years ago - was in the last group of 12 out of 77 who got laid off. For the last four months it was only the 12 of us
29 AMSMAN : There are way too many companies packing their bags and heading east from Ireland. It's really hitting the communities hard. Some big companies have t
30 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Thanks for the replies. I actually have something up my sleeve (for a while, actually) that involves moving back to aviation. Now the end date is know
31 NeilYYZ : Glad to hear it, best that you go about your life in a field that you enjoy!
32 Post contains images L-188 : I've always wondered if they had Americans working the counter in their 7/11's Better then in the uS, you get your last paycheck and usually your acc
33 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Ahhh forgot that too UTA
34 Banco : That's a problem, obviously, but Ireland attracted these companies in the first place on the basis of tax breaks, a highly educated workforce and low
35 MD11Engineer : Not to forget the EU subsidies from the time when Ireland was still relatively poor. Now these susidies have run out and the companies are either loo
36 Banco : Exactly. You're always going to lose some companies who will just go to the cheapest location. The trick is that you build the value added structures
37 BestWestern : I'd prefer to say that Ireland is building the infrastructure. Living in the UK, its amazing to see the positive leap forwards every time I come home
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