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Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English  
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2101032,00.html

:D

I suspect a collective cringe across France at this one.


She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

 rotfl   rotfl 
Good old Jackie boy  Wink



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
Good old Jackie boy

Tres bon  Wink


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Time for the French opposition to get their act together to send Chirac where he belongs: On the accused's bench of a French court of law for the various allegations of corruption.

Jan


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

What a childish man! Anybody who knows the history of the world knows that there is typically a Lingua Franca from somewhere. It just so happens that it is currently English. In the early 19th century it was French-how pathetic jealously is!

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Embarrassed French diplomats tried to explain away the walk-out, saying that their ministers all needed a toilet break at the same time.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 5):
Embarrassed French diplomats tried to explain away the walk-out, saying that their ministers all needed a toilet break at the same time.

I thought it was only women that done that. Oh wait they are bunch of big girls blouses.  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3039 times:
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considering how much the current English language owes to French after I am surprised that Chirac hasn't come up with the face-saving solution of declaring English to be a (badly spoken and hopelessly ungrammatical ) dialect of French


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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
considering how much the current English language owes to French after I am surprised that Chirac hasn't come up with the face-saving solution of declaring English to be a (badly spoken and hopelessly ungrammatical ) dialect of French

I thought that the Germans could have this claim more than the French. The only French term that every American nows is Menage a Trois.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Ok, they are batty.
They are batty.
They are batty.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
considering how much the current English language owes to French

Trouble was, the French of the mediaeval period considered the Normans to have spoken a bastardised, bowdlerised, lower form of French in the first place. Oops.  Wink



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
The only French term that every American nows is Menage a Trois.

You don't know "sacre bleu!"?  faint 



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
You don't know "sacre bleu!"?

Nor soixante neuf?


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
You don't know "sacre bleu!"?

Of course I do! It means "blue balls" , because French women are impossible!


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 12):
Nor soixante neuf?

Or "Yer maws got baws and yer dad likes it"
 duck 



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
I thought that the Germans could have this claim more than the French.

Yep, true enough. English is a Germanic language, in root and structure. The French element is layered on top of it, expanding the vocabulary, but doesn't affect the grammar or structure. Out of the 100 most frequently used words, something like 98 of them are Anglo-Saxon.

You can speak English quite happily without ever using a Latin based word.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
You can speak English quite happily without ever using a Latin based word.

Yes, but my favorite Ricky Martin songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 16):
Yes, but my favorite Ricky Martin songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact.

Ah. You might have got me there.  Wink



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):

Ah. You might have got me there. Wink

Aww man. I can't believe how much you've been in agreement with me lately. I love acceptance. Just ask my my local MAMBLA chapter! Youse on my RU list.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 16):
Yes, but my favorite Ricky Martin songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact.

Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards.  Wink



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 19):
Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards. Wink

Could be worse.
Cornish confessed his love of Elton John the other day  Wow!



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 19):
Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards. Wink

Could be worse.
Cornish confessed his love of Elton John the other day

Yeah but what do you expect of a Cornishman. Big grin



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 19):
Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards.

Well, I certainly live "The Vida Loca". If only it was set to Pantera, Radiohead, or The White Stripes. Oh what the hell, Tom Jones too!


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 22):
Well, I certainly live "The Vida Loca". If only it was set to Pantera, Radiohead, or The White Stripes. Oh what the hell, Tom Jones too!

 rotfl 



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Speaking of Tom Jones, one of the best albums I've purchased in the last year is "Paul Anka Rock Swings". He does the big band cheese versions of Its my life, Eye of the tiger, Wonderwall, Blackhole Sun, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Hello, etc, etc. It sounds cheesy, and it is, but I enjoy it!

To make this relevant to thread:
The French have no respect for popular music! The last good band that they advocated was the Doors and that was 30 years ago! Christ, you think that they might have some kind of attitude. Wink


25 Post contains images Banco : Well, there's Johnny Halliday. Mind you, to the disgust of the French, he's just taken Belgian citizenship.
26 YOWza : I have no problem with him walking out. Sure it was childish but so was the other guy for presenting in Eglish in the first place. YOWza
27 Fumanchewd : A person should be able to think or speak in whatever way they should feel fit, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.
28 Banco : Maybe, (shock, horror) he wanted everyone to be able to understand what he was saying.
29 Gman94 : If a British delegation has done that to someone speaking in French we would of been called the usual stereotypical things, like racists, xenophobics
30 Post contains images Skidmarks : Chirac is a pompous, self centred prat and not a good representation of the French people. Why is he still alive? Andy
31 Post contains images Cornish : I did not . Mind you Kirkie expressed his penchant for Pete Burns from Dead or Alive Wit, humour and some intelligence and common sense brought to th
32 Post contains images Mika : I always thought it was "French fries", due to a number of things :D
33 Pyrex : English is sort of a bastard version both of French and German. It has a lot of French words but it's grammar does not have the complexity of either
34 Kiwiandrew : but French fries are Belgian , not French
35 Post contains images NoUFO : Ah, that's why Belgian Sarah Bettens moved to the US. Almost correct. The English are bastards.
36 Frequentflyer : That guy is really stupid. Time for retirement!
37 Post contains links and images Sebolino : Tsss ... Banco, Banco ... We all know your feelings towards France. It will be a great disappointment to you to learn that about half of the English
38 Post contains images Gkirk : Finally a German says something sensible
39 Post contains images Skidmarks : So why is Mr Chirac whingeing then? Man's a complete ass and has his head up his own bum! Andy
40 Jaysit : Well, the French have been behaving rather badly of late. And you can't just blame those disaffected French Muslim youth any more. Between Chirac and
41 JGPH1A : True - sadly, he is a senile old fraud about 15 years past his sell-by date. He's hanging on, hoping that the CPE crisis will cause De Villepin to se
42 Post contains images DL021 : That's great! Not sure how true it is with the amount of Franglaise in the language of the day, but it's freaking hilarious! I'd have to say that he'
43 Post contains images NoUFO : I knew it. I really saw it coming.
44 DETA737 : Very true...When I began learning French at the age of 10, I already knew English and Portuguese and I found the grammar very easy, because most of t
45 Banco : No, you're missing the point. English does indeed have a great infusion of Latin-based words, Something I would never ever deny (indeed would celebra
46 757MDE : I happen to have thought exactly the same but in regards of a Spanish speaking person to learn German, as German has some grammar stuff from English
47 Post contains images ZRH : Perhaps our cher Jacques wants to retire from his job as president and wants to become a clown (he is already practising). Bonne chance!
48 SFOMEX : "When President Chirac (who is fluent in English) had a one-to-one dinner last year with President Bush, he insisted on speaking his mother tongue the
49 Post contains images Mika : I know but i was trying to make a joke (far fetched maybe) about the fact that there are many obese people in the US.
50 Arrow : It will be interesting to see how we English speakers react when, not too far down the road, the lingua franca is Mandarin or Cantonese. Should be en
51 Frequentflyer : We wish... actually he's been a clown for the last 50 years or so. He used to be, but not any more so I hear. Saludos
52 Scott2187 : this is a nice example of people not having things the way THEY want them, so they act like little babies...we should build a nursery for all of these
53 MD11Engineer : Unlike ex chancellor Helmut Kohl, who had to rely on interpreters for talks to foreign politicians, Gerhardt Schroeder, Willy Brandt and Helmut Schmi
54 FDXmech : Awww right!!!! I always wanted to learn German, and now I find out I already do. Ja?
55 767-332ER : Quote per article: "When President Chirac had a one-to-one dinner last year with President Bush, he insisted on speaking his mother tongue the whole t
56 Post contains images Pelican : Ja, you already speak a kind of Low German pelican
57 Derico : In contrast I don't remember any president in Argentina being fluent in English at all.
58 Post contains images Banco : Indeed. Derived from the tongue of a group of people who thought Germany was a dump and promptly left.
59 Dougloid : Norman French was the language of the courts untin the 14th century at least, and a lot of the older cases in the English Reports are in Norman Frenc
60 Banco : Correct. There was a separation between the nobility who spoke French, and the people, who spoke English (I must point out here to avoid confusion th
61 Post contains images FDXMECH : Gee thanks. It wasn't really that hard. I just sorta put my mind to it and here I am speaking Low German. Ja !!
62 Post contains images YOWza : First of all you "would have" not "would of" been called names. That said the issue at hand is totally different - they are both Francophones, so you
63 GDB : Ah Chirac, fiddling while Paris burns.......... (I thought he wanted that pompous, aristo, wannabe poet prick of a PM to succeed him, rather than Sark
64 Banco : Wasn't me that said that, so if you're going to start picking up on someone's English, the least you could do is quote the right person.[Edited 2006-
65 Jet-lagged : Gosh, this must be the reason that Guy D. is so rabidly opposed to Mittal's proposed purchase of Arcelor. Presumably Mittal uses too much English in t
66 AR385 : I don't get Chirac. If the EU recognizes 20 languages as "official" he should have stayed put in his seat when the guy in question decided to make his
67 BA757 : Whats that all about!? Seem's to be a random thing to be saying! Honestly, no wonder people take the piss out of the French. It's a shame. Adam
68 Post contains images Pyrex : I know you meant it as a joke but Portuguese is actually older than Spanish... You could say that Spanish is like a kid who spoke Portuguese but had
69 Andz : He's French, why are you surprised?
70 Post contains images BHMBAGLOCK : Group Colonic? One nice thing about both leaders speaking each other's language, no pressure either way - eliminates a hell of a lot of potential con
71 Dougloid : Middle English isn't too hard to figure out, but Old English is tough stuff. I had a prof in school who could speak the stuff.
72 Pbottenb : Immigration politics aside, during the 2004 and 2000 elections here in the US President Bush televised MANY political ads where he tried very hard to
73 L-188 : Actually he is supposedly very confident in speaking Spanish, which is to be expected being from Texas and all.
74 AR385 : I resent your comment, and since I do not know what you meant with it, I'll give you the benfit of the doubt. I do want to clear something out: Some
75 JGPH1A : Yes, but they settled in East Anglia and Humberside, so soon no doubt they bitterly regretted their decision.
76 Pbottenb : Ummmm..OK...I dont think that you got the main point of my post. My point is that latin immigrants are here to stay and that the average American wil
77 YOWza : Not my fault the quote button went apeshit. YOWza
78 Sebolino : But in the end, WHY the hell is everybody so interested about what Chirac does ?
79 Banco : OK, fair enough. I would think that any leader acting in this way would rate fairly high on the amusement quota. If Blair did it we'd have huge threa
80 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Pssh! You might as well ask why everyone is so interested in what Beckham or Brad Pitt does. Its the ass man, his arse! Firm yet supple.
81 Post contains images Pelican : Hmm, wasn't it the other way around - the majority of people living in Germany at that time kicked out some people who were dumb? BTW J.R.R. Tolkien
82 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Yes, I love going offthread. I believe that the mythology is based on is Norse. The Ring of the Niebelung and all of that. It certainly has been adju
83 Post contains images Banco : That's the Anglo-Saxon origins of English shining through. To take it a step further, the English town of Hythe is an Anglo-Saxon settlement, meaning
84 JGPH1A : I thought the name "Hythe" was a combination of the Old Norse corruption of "hye / heye" n. = " The act of sitting in a stationery vehicle', and the
85 Post contains images Cornish :
86 Post contains images Banco : Ah. I see you've been there! In the same way, Folkestone is derived from "Falk" (chavs) and "styne" (drinking Tennents Super and having a punch-up on
87 Post contains images Cornish : On a similar vein I think you'll find where I live, St. Aines, is named after a monk (later Sainted) from the middle ages who wore distinctive checke
88 Post contains images Skidmarks : Oh dear, I wonder where my home town name came from then - Horley!! The mind boggles!! Andy
89 B707321C : I totally support Mr Chirac on this one. One can be extremely fluent in a foreign language, but still never native. As a foreign user of English, I k
90 Toulouse : Very true point B707321C, as a native English speaker who has spent half of his (my) life living in two different foreign countries requiring the dai
91 Banco : I'm interested by this point. As someone who speaks English as a second language can you (or anyone else) expand on that a bit?
92 Toulouse : It's a very ture statement Banco. English is much less structured than many other western langauges (my knowledge of other langauges is less). Gramat
93 Banco : Oh, I wasn't questioning the truth of it, nor was I assuming any derogatory thinking behind it. I was just interested in hearing someone explain it f
94 Post contains images Toulouse : Thanks Banco! The only thing is I'm a native speaker ... but with lots of professional contact with foreign langauges and foreign language speakers..
95 JGPH1A : I fear I must point out that your translation of the Ur-Danish is somewhat loose - the literal translation of "steyne" is "drinking fermented cat-uri
96 Post contains images Sebolino : Oh yes. And you should see his wife's.
97 B707321C : I 100% Support the comments made by "Toulouse". Thank you. I speak English, Frence and German, but speak way better English than any of the other lan
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