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The Man Who Advised Bush  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

By Jack O'Sullivan

LONDON: A few days ago, for reasons that remain rather unclear, the FBI decided to pay a call on the home of Hamza Yusuf. "He isn't home," said his wife. "He's with the president".

The FBI agents did not seem to believe her; they called the White House to check. "He's got 100 percent security clearence", said the voice at the other end. The FBI agents did not return.

Yusuf an Islamic teacher was indeed with the president. At the meeting he advised Bush that the military term 'Operation Infinite Justice' was blasphemous to Muslims. The president listened. He said he was sorry that the Pentagon which chose the title had no theologians on staff. The name was changed.

Then after joining in with God Save America, Yusuf stood outside the White House and delievered an unequivocal message which even margret Thatcher could not fault. "Islam was hijacked on September 11 2001, on that plane as an innocent victim", he said.

Imam Hamza Yusuf, who runs an Islamic institute in California, is fast becoming a world figure as Islams most able theological critic of the suicide hijacking.

A charismatic and popular speaker, Yusuf openly declares his belief that Islam is in a mess. He wants Muslims to return to their "true faith", stripped of violence, intolerence, and hatered. Nor does he pay much deference to the states in which many Muslims live. When we meet he declares: "Many people in the west do not realise how oppressive some Muslim states are- both for men and for women. This is a cultural issue, not an Islamic one. I would rather live as a Muslim in the west than in most of the Mulim countries, because I think the way Muslims are allowed to live in the west is closer to the Muslim way. Alot of Muslim immigrants feel the same way, which is why they are here".

His rise to prominence is even more extraordinary given his unusual background. Hamza Yusuf, 42, started life as Mark Hanson, son of two US academics, only converting at 17. Thirty years ago, he seemed destined not for Islamic scholarship, but for the Greek Orthodox preisthood. Then, a near-death experience in a car accident and reading the Holy Quran diverted him towards Makkah.

But he cannot be easily dismissed as a western patsy, a "collaborator", as his opponents have already dubbed him, or as Bush's "pet Muslim". Trained for more than a decade by the best Islamic scholars in the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Morocco and Mauritania, Yusuf's learning commands considerable respect, particularly with the English speaking elites of traditionally Muslim states. Although he calls on Muslims to see what is good in western society, he has a long track record of criticising western decadence, injustice and impoverished spirituality.

He says the World Trade Centre attack was-an act of "mass murder, pure and simple". Suicide, he says, is haram(forbidden), prohibited by the Quran, as is the killing of innocent civilians. He quotes Quranic texts demonstrating that the suicide bombers do not quualify as martyrs. He even finds a verse outlawing flag burning._Dawn/The Guardian News Service.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

And, the point of this thread Airmale? I'm sure you're using it somewhere to further your anti-American slant.

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

And we care why? I think you should have more respect (for yourself, and other members some of whom are young and do not understand what is going on) and keep your religion and political opinion to yourself!
Iain


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Didnt you read it? au contraire its all praise for life in the west, as for the young and imperssionable they need to know that teh world is not all Black and White Smile


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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

But it is not your place to decide they are ready for it, or which media it should be delivered by!
Iain


User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Hey Airmale,

Ask yourself imam Hamza Yusuf represents the majority viewpoint of Muslims in the world and then we can talk. For every imam like Yusuf there are 20 in the Middle-east/Pakistan preaching hate against the West and Jews from the mosque loudspeaker during Friday prayer.

You know as well as I that America is considered the "infidel nation", "Great Satan" whatever by the majority of the Muslim world.


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

True! he dosent, I mean hes right, but there arent many people like him and as the article states that his opponents have already termed him a collaborator Smile


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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Airmale, your motivation for posting this is a bit transparent.  Big grin


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

I disagree with one comment by this American Muslim...that most Muslims are in the US because of their ability to practise their Muslim faith freer....while this is true, it's not the main reason. Most Muslims migrating to the West are economic migrants....they want the high standard of living that only the West can provide.

Too bad not a single Muslim-majority country can create a prosperous society with 'first world' living standards....this speaks volume about Islam.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Great Article

Hamza Yusuf is teaching the world about Islam. He knows the hijackers weren't speaking for all Muslims, and he's trying to get that message across.

>>"mass murder, pure and simple"<<

That's the truth, and anybody who knows anything about Islam and religion can understand that that is a true fact.


Bove-
>>For every imam like Yusuf there are 20 in the Middle-east/Pakistan preaching hate against the West and Jews from the mosque loudspeaker during Friday prayer.<<

What hate were they preaching? I listened to the translations in Medina and Mecca, and I heard nothing about the hate for the west. They simply were praying for lives in Afghanistan and Palestine, just as the Pope does, and every other world religion, for the simple goal of having no violence in the world.

Yyz717-
>>Too bad not a single Muslim-majority country can create a prosperous society with 'first world' living standards....this speaks volume about Islam.<<

Really? I hear Dubai and Abu Dabi are great commercial centers.

As Bush said this isn't a religious war, it is a war agains the terrorists and the people who aid them.



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User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

PanAm747,

I am speaking more generally here about what imam's say in their Friday sermons, not merely in a post Sept. 11 context. Even in the "moderate" Arab nations, these statements lead toward vile, anti-Semitic rants against Israel and the infidel West. Its a message of hate pure an simple and draws stark ideological "us against them" lines. Whether or not they advocate or are responsible for violence is in the mind of the beholder but the message is clear enough.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

PanAm747, the extreme wealth of the UAE/Kuwait is based on massive oil revenue. There remains no Islamic country that has built a first world standard of living. This speaks strongly of Islam's failings.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineTguman From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

I think that it is good that President Bush is asking for advice on the situation from and Islamic leader. In the Bill of Rights it says "Freedom of Religion" not FROM Religion. Besides that Mr. President wants to make sure no one on US soil is totally offended by the statements he makes. TGUMAN


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