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Massive Protest In Los Angeles  
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3069 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/25/immigration.rallies.ap/index.html
"President Bush on Saturday called for legislation that does not force America to choose between being a welcoming society and a lawful one.

"America is a nation of immigrants, and we're also a nation of laws," Bush said in his weekly radio address about the emotional immigration issue that has driven a wedge into his party."

Source: above link

[Edited 2006-03-26 00:19:15]

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3066 times:

20,000 (according to the press) in Phoenix yesterday for a peaceful protest. The Phoenix mayor got all bend out of shape because the number of protesters that showed up was way more than they planned for. Caused a massive traffic jam in Phoenix.

User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3060 times:

Let them protest. Its their right.

But illegal immigration is a crime, it is a problem, and it needs to be stopped. I'm all for them coming legally, but illegally is a no-no.



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 2):
I'm all for them coming legally, but illegally is a no-no.

Then who is going to clean all those homes in Beverly Hills??????


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3047 times:

Around here the cleaning ladies are Polish, not Mexican  Smile


I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3042 times:

Quote:
...make helping illegal immigrants a crime.

Isn't it already?

Quote:
"I think it's just inhumane. ... Everybody deserves the right to a better life," Aloy said of the legislation.

It's not like we are locking borders, I can figure their desparation, what I don't is why they do not use their national system to move? Does it take too long? In the case for Mexican immigrants, do their government not allow it?



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting Nordair (Reply 3):
Then who is going to clean all those homes in Beverly Hills??????

And at below minimum wage and of course,unreported.
Lost taxes.It's a lot bigger problem then you think.
Minimum wage is a joke and doesn't apply to hundreds
of thousands.



Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 6):
Minimum wage is a joke and doesn't apply to hundreds
of thousands.

As it is, minimum wage is not exactly a living wage.  Sad


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3027 times:

Quoting Nordair (Reply 3):
Then who is going to clean all those homes in Beverly Hills??????

Or the hotel rooms in Vegas and every other major city and hotel.

Or build new houses.

Or harvest crops.

Or work at the throughbred racetracks

Or in the kitchens of resturants.

Or park cars.

Or do any of the jobs white americans don't want to do.

We need to wake up, if we start closing our borders we will have a serious problem. Let these people in, do it legally. They come here and do a honest days work for not a lot of pay, which Americans won't do.


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3027 times:

Quoting Nordair (Reply 7):
As it is, minimum wage is not exactly a living wage.

Like my economics professor always says, "No one picks the second best job offer"

If minimum wage is not enough for them, its their fault. Minimum wage actually hurts the economy, rather than strengthen it.



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3012 times:

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 9):
If minimum wage is not enough for them, its their fault.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3009 times:

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 9):
If minimum wage is not enough for them, its their fault. Minimum wage actually hurts the economy, rather than strengthen it.

Oh,definitley.It's only for politicians to gain votes.
Minimum wage should be fixed at $5.00.Talent will warrant
advancement and reward.

But when a honest employer,such as myself,has to pay workers comp
and a decent wage and taxes,I get a little hot,when a lot of folks
who are self employed pay $4-5.00 for help,unreported.The CAL EDD
sits on their ass as does nothing.

[Edited 2006-03-26 01:04:58]


Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 4):
Around here the cleaning ladies are Polish, not Mexican

Illegal Polish or Mexican, what's the difference?


User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 12):

Illegal Polish or Mexican, what's the difference?

No difference, but slave wages are great for the economy!  eyebrow 


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Quoting Nordair (Reply 13):
slave

I thought that back in 1865, the Thirteenth Amendment marks the abolition of slavery in the USA at the end of the American Civil War.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

I'm glad to see these protests. The radio stations spread the word and insisted that they be peaceful, which they have.

I wish that instead of spending all this money to keep immigrants out, we could spend that money on making it easy for immigrants to legally enter this country. We need to return to the days of open arms. What are we going to do when it becomes a felony to be in this country illegally? Jail hundreds of thousands of people? Deport them? What kind of solution is this?

[Edited 2006-03-26 04:45:05]


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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 12):
Illegal Polish or Mexican, what's the difference?

Who ever said the poles were illegal?



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 16):
Who ever said the poles were illegal?

Who said that all of them are legals, or all Mexican illegals?


User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

These immigrants are causing 90 percent of all of our crimes..They should be were they belong and that is in Mexico...down south.

Enough said.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 18):
These immigrants are causing 90 percent of all of our crimes..

Can you prove that? Are you the person in charge of "criminal statistics".

And BTW, is not enough!


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 2):
But illegal immigration is a crime, it is a problem, and it needs to be stopped. I'm all for them coming legally, but illegally is a no-no.

Not only should entering America illegally be a crime, but illegal aliens should have NO protections whatsoever from our constitution. In fact, like I told one of my friends...if I worked border security, and saw someone trying to enter America illegally, I would shoot them.


User currently offlineWardialer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

No...but everytime I hear the news about murders, killings, molestations, robberies, and so on...I ALWAYS or most of time its a HISPANIC...Get it??? I hope so.

And its driving me crazy. There here to cross the border to cause trouble and be in gangs.

We should NOT let these people or I should say "trouble makers" to cross our borders.. This is our land and our country..

And if these people want to work, why wont we send most of our prisoners over to Mexico and let these people down there staff them..Ok...??? They want to work? Right? So we should send all the hard core prisoners down there and put those people down there to work as guards...

My 2 cents


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 20):
.if I worked border security, and saw someone trying to enter America illegally, I would shoot them.

And forfeit your right to live free for the rest of your life. How can you be 100% sure a person is entering illegally. What if that person was an undercover Border Patrol person? Shoot first ask questions later is a recipe for disaster. Lets go further here. Canadian/American border and you can tell just by looking who is legal or illegal, heck there places in Vermont that the border isn't even marked.

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 18):
These immigrants are causing 90 percent of all of our crimes.

Having work since 1979 in law enforcement in California and Arizona, I can assure you that your comment is no where near the truth. Most of the Latin American types are just here trying to make some and improve their life.


User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 18):
These immigrants are causing 90 percent of all of our crimes..They should be were they belong and that is in Mexico...down south.

Proof?, Actually most armed crimes in LA are perpetrated by Black males. And most alcoholics are White males. Whanna go on a nig....r hunt and dress in a white cloak you dumb redneck moron?

With half of the LA population Hispanic, if you arrested and deported all illegals in LA you would bring LA's economy crashing down, think, all of these people have to buy food, cars, pay rent, gasoline, insurance, taxes, entertainment, clothes........ LA would enter into a huge economic depression.

At least Mexicans don't burden the federal government like your precious white people do, Mexicans cant get Welfare, or food stamps, or medicaid, or FEMA. Guess again who gets most of these "benefits"? White, blond blue eyed Americans and Blacks.

Most Latinos in the US are here to WORK, raise there families in a better environment, put their kids in school and give them a chance at a better life.

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 21):
No...but everytime I hear the news about murders, killings, molestations, robberies, and so on...I ALWAYS or most of time its a HISPANIC...Get it??? I hope so.

Oh, that is scientific, I am sorry I ever questioned your infinite knowledge master, maybe it is because I am not white and therefore I am so dumb as to not believe you.  sarcastic 

There is a study online that states that news outlets are more likely to report a black or Hispanic man performing an armed crime than showing it if it were a white man.

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 21):
And its driving me crazy. There here to cross the border to cause trouble and be in gangs

Again, what percentage of the population is in gangs? Again, Half of LA is Hispanic, this would mean that How many millions of people belong to gangs? wow I am amazed by your wisdom.

Quoting Wardialer (Reply 21):
We should NOT let these people or I should say "trouble makers" to cross our borders.. This is our land and our country.

Unless you are native Americans, you are the direct descendant of IMIGRANTS! All of your precious white people where at one point immigrants in this country. Lets deport your ass as well. The US will be left with a total population of 20K if your plan works. Aren't you brilliant!

I do Agree with a One Strike your out policy, 1 armed crime or aggravated assault, etc and you get your ass deported.

Wardialer, you are the most ignorant xenophobic redneck I have ever heard, and that is a statement considering I live in Florida's redneck riviera!

I bet you are so proud of your trailer park and living on welfare and banging your sister!


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 11):
Oh,definitley.It's only for politicians to gain votes.
Minimum wage should be fixed at $5.00.Talent will warrant
advancement and reward.

 thumbsup 

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 12):
Illegal Polish or Mexican, what's the difference?

You do know its pretty much impossible for a Pole to get over here illegally, don't you?

Something about.....the Atlantic

They estimated only about 50,000 or so illegal Polish immigrants in the late 20th early 21st century. That is nowhere near the epidemic we have at our southern borders now.



I don't have an attitude problem. You have a perception problem
25 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : It's not really about our national system. Say, if I need a passport, I can obtain it the same day. The thing is, obtaining a U.S. visa legally can b
26 Tbar220 : Explain this epidemic to me. What are illegal immigrants doing in this country which is so harmful to us. Explain how their being here as illegal immi
27 SFOMEX : Hi Luisca! Don't waste your time and energy addresing wardialer's crap. If my memory seves me well, the same little fellow started a thread using the
28 NIKV69 : You are so out of touch, that is not true. Truth be known the migrant workers crime rate is a hell of a lot lower than Americans. If you look at the
29 Joness0154 : Well lets start with the small things. First, they are here illegally. Second, the increased drug traffic along the border because of the smugglers a
30 Post contains links Vikkyvik : Who are you dude??? You've got no friggin info in your profile, and yet you come here and make these COMPLETELY outrageous statements. You do realize
31 NIKV69 : I agree, but the need to be here. So we need to legalize them ASAP. Wrong! Migrant workers crossing the boarder has nothing to do with drug smuggling
32 Nordair : You have grossly overestimated the value of your post. Perhaps you can call Racist Customer Service for a refund.
33 AerospaceFan : In other countries, such as Canada, white citizens still do the "jobs that Americans won't do". Canada's standard of living isn't particularly bad, an
34 TACAA320 : I got it since the very beginning. That you keep track of the crimes supposedly committed by Hispanics, do some erratic statistics and conclude that
35 AerospaceFan : I live in Los Angeles, and each year, the congestion caused by overpopulation gets worse and worse. Hospitals are closing left and right because illeg
36 TACAA320 : Is that the main and omly reason of the declining quality life in California? Then Californians must learn from the example from the Cubans in FL. Or
37 Post contains images NIKV69 : Simply not true? You find me a 24 year old girl from America that will clean rooms for that pay and last at the job for more than a week. Get real, h
38 AerospaceFan : The volume of Cubans is not comparable to the volume of other illegals. Further, I do not support the legalization of Cubans, either, nor of any spec
39 AerospaceFan : We're already paying a lot more, in economic terms, by subsidizing these illegals through welfare programs and putting up with the closures of hospit
40 TACAA320 : The Immigration and Naturalization Office seems to be totally careless about YOUR position in this regard.
41 Vikkyvik : No offense dude, but I could find you 24 year old GUYS that would clean rooms for that pay (hell, if I needed a job, I'd do it, and I'm 24). It's bet
42 AerospaceFan : And I reject that policy no less because of it. I'm glad we agree. And how about "Mayor Reconquista", Villagarosa? He just spoke out yesterday in fav
43 Falcon84 : Boy that's a load of crap if I ever stepped in some. It's ok to give millionaires and billionaires huge tax breaks, but let's let the lower end just
44 Post contains links TACAA320 : Aren't they "legal" now? Even American citizens as you are. It is not uncommon to walk down the streets of an American city today and hear Spanish sp
45 NIKV69 : I am not saying there isn't but the amount of american men between the ages of 21-45 that would clean hotel rooms, pick fruit, pump gas, wash dishes
46 TACAA320 : They are also totally careless about your opinion about that policy.
47 AerospaceFan : Yes -- legally, for the most part. There's a difference between what is legal and what is not. Legally, on a few hundred thousand per year are permit
48 AerospaceFan : I think they would care more about what Congress has to say -- agreed. Which, I think, supports my idea that Congress should crack down on our immigr
49 TACAA320 : Don't waste your time trying to teach me the difference between "Legal" and "illegal". Can you prove that? Or is just a mere speculation?
50 TACAA320 : You really like statistics and percentages.
51 Falcon84 : You THINK? I think you should have stopped at "overreaching", and ended the sentence. If you add "I think", you leave doubt to readers. You leave the
52 AerospaceFan : Oh, yes I would. If illegal alien whites were creating Third World conditions, you bet I would use that word. The fact that illegals of any race are
53 Falcon84 : My wife is a supervisor for a truck unloading team where she works. She sees about 85% of the people they hire for her quite after a few days because
54 Cadet985 : If I tried to sneak into another country and got caught, you don't think their border patrol (or military) would fire at me to get me to stop? Illega
55 Post contains images MiCorazonAzul : Ok, so tell me how MANY younger american people you have seen cleaning rooms at hotels, washing dishes at major restaurants, working in the fields pi
56 TACAA320 : But people use them only in countries where speech freedom exists.
57 Falcon84 : That's the difference between the United States, son, and military dictatorships, or nations run by despots. They shoot people at the border-we don't
58 Tbar220 : Aerospacefan, So what is your solution? What do we do about the eleven undocumented residents in this country? Do we deport them all? Do we throw them
59 AerospaceFan : Then perhaps it's the work that needs to change. In Third World countries, people work for low wages and under unfair conditions. Those wages are not
60 TACAA320 : Not enough. Not absolutely true. My country provides the same labor rights to illegals as well as free medical services, operations, maternity, medic
61 AerospaceFan : That's your country's decision. Ours (and Mexico's) is different.
62 TACAA320 : And I'm very proud of it.
63 AerospaceFan : Well, that's good. I appreciate that. TACA, I respect your opinions. But we live in different countries, and if you had seen the deterioriation of So
64 Derico : An example from another country. There are several thousand 'welfare' recepients for unemployment in the Argentine province of San Juan. It is now the
65 YeahitsK : Maybe if you were trying to cross the Berlin wall, otherwise I don't think so. Yeah, but nobody agrees with your opinion here. Frankly I'm worried ab
66 AerospaceFan : I do agree substantially, albeit up to a point. Here is why I don't completely agree. I remember the scientific promise of hydroponics, for example.
67 Post contains images Mrniji : And it's good you are proud of it - there should be no compromise in terms of humanity.. respect people no matter who they are, where they`re from, w
68 AerospaceFan : Wouldn't it also "have heart" to develop technology that wouldn't require illegals, or any other human worker, to be exposed to pesticides? Machines
69 AerospaceFan : I think that many of us who live here in Los Angeles are doubtful that illegals do respect our culture. They demand that we speak Spanish, for exampl
70 Derico : They do say necessity is the mother of invention. It is an interesting concept, I would like to see what would happen. However in the short term I th
71 YeahitsK : Aren't those jobs Americans could be doing, just like in the automotive industry? Even if we kick the illegals out, wouldn't it still be cheaper to h
72 Nordair : And how long has Spanish been spoken in Southern California? Or are you trying to say that Spanish speaking people is something new to the area?
73 Post contains images Mrniji : Last time I was in Cal I thought this - the Hispanic along with the SPanish language - has per se become a part of American culture! I think it is gr
74 AerospaceFan : That's if we plant them traditionally, perhaps. But we can develop a better system, the same way that automation always has. For example, tunneling w
75 AerospaceFan : Spanish has been spoken for quite a long time. I'm speaking of something else: The demand for bilingualism, when in fact this country has never been
76 Mrniji : So traditional languages of "those" Indians are not desired? Maybe you could try it out at the local taco bell when you order your next Burito. Anoth
77 Vikkyvik : I don't know. Are they (obviously, yes, since they're in government)? I think the issue is that they were illegal when they entered the country. I ag
78 YeahitsK : I agree with you 100%. The problem is that the crops are harvested indiscriminately. There are guidelines for such things as insect parts in our food
79 Vikkyvik : I completely agree with this statement. ~Vik
80 YeahitsK : Fair enough as long as you didn't vote for your current Governor. Double standard perhaps?
81 Post contains images Vikkyvik : I didn't vote for him ~Vik
82 TACAA320 : The issue is that an illegal alien is capable to legalize his/her status, even to become a respectable citizen.
83 Post contains links TACAA320 : Just a very few ones: Famous & Notable Immigrants Guide picks Mikhail Baryshnikov One of the world's most esteemed ballet dancers, Baryshnikov defecte
84 TACAA320 : At least he never cleanned houses in Beverly Hills.
85 Luisca : So what happens when a mother is illegal and has a US born baby? do you deport the mother too? and leave the Baby in social services? Do you revoke t
86 Sovietjet : We're talking about illegal immigrants here not legal ones. It's fine if they came here legally, applied for a VISA, etc...everyone else does it why
87 Tbar220 : Aerospacefan, Ok, lets take the solution that you posted earlier (even though I do disagree with it). We have 11 million undocumented immigrants in th
88 Post contains links Cadet985 : Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 57): What they do is peacably take them back home. If that's the case, why are there so many Cubans in Miami? I guarantee you
89 Post contains links TACAA320 : Just a brief commentary about the Cubans. They have a special immigration law... "Law number 89, known as the Cuban Adjustment act, was adopted by th
90 Nordair : All Cubans in Miami are illegal aliens? I suppose all homosexuals are hairdressers?
91 Cadet985 : If you reread what I posted, I said the vast majority. Anyone that's come here since Castro came to power are here illegally.
92 YeahitsK : I think you just got busted changing your original post from "Not one of them is here legally" to "the vast majority are here illegally" after Nordai
93 Nordair : No, YOU "reread" what you ORIGINALLY POSTED. You know, BEFORE you edited it to read the vast majority You wrote : "I guarantee you that not one of th
94 Post contains images Nordair : Thank you!
95 Post contains images Falcon84 : Talk about a bullshit answer, AF, that's one. It's not the work that needs to change-my wife has a core of very hard, dedicated workers, but many don
96 Post contains links Tbar220 : This bothered me so much, but I didn't know how to respond until... Bravo!! And the quote in its entirety... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your hud
97 Falcon84 : Leave MY country if you feel that way, after immigrating here, dude. It's not a matter of giving them a break, it's a matter of poeple wanting a dece
98 Psa53 : But if it's illegal,that's where I take issue,and as I posted earlier, there is possibilty of millions of tax revenue dollars for the State that is n
99 Falcon84 : I agree. Again, like drugs, the real problem is the demand, not the supply. You get real tough on the employers, especially the bigger ones, that emp
100 Sovietjet : You misread. It wasn't about wealth. Someone earlier said that they can't afford the application fees which are $100 or whatever. My argument was bas
101 Falcon84 : I didn't misread at all, my friend. I got it right the first time. You're basing everything on the fact that if someone dirt-poor cannot come up with
102 Sovietjet : I'm not saying I dont treat them with dignity I know they are human and looking for a better life. However Mexico isn't the only country with people l
103 Joness0154 : I think alot of people are taking people wrong in this thread. We're not saying to stop immigration completely. We need to stop ILLEGAL immigration, a
104 TACAA320 : How can you stop illegal immigration? Because anybody find yet the "magic formula" to solve that problem.
105 Joness0154 : Well, I'd say a wall would help. You can't do anything until you stop the illegals first. Because if they find it easier to be illegal then thats all
106 Post contains links AerospaceFan : There are many arguments one can make to justify illegal immigration. I can name a number of them just as an example: 1. They're poor hard-working sou
107 Tbar220 : AerospaceFan, Don't change the subject. Nobody here is arguing for making illegal immigration "legal". We're arguing against this "solution" that Bush
108 Post contains images Mrniji : And I guarantee you that you just have no clue what you are talking about
109 AerospaceFan : Actually, the subject is the protests. Bush's policy is, in any event, less restrictive than the House bill that recently passed. The protests, if yo
110 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Further commentary on the issue of "jobs Americans won't do": Source: http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/markoped021403.html In her rejoinder, Tamar Jac
111 AR385 : When I saw the title of this thread, I knew it was a waste of time to even read it. But, I saw a lot of enlightening answers from Americans so I chose
112 AerospaceFan : How about currently unemployed black Americans, for example, for $7.50 an hour? Less implausible now, isn't it? I'd gladly pay a dollar extra for a p
113 AerospaceFan : How many doctors at the Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Johns Hopkins, or other world-class facilities are, or ever were, illegal aliens? Don't you think, ra
114 Mrniji : Jesus, keep your right-wing positions for yourself and don't speak in the name of America and consequently spoil the name with intolerance !
115 AerospaceFan : The majority of Americans -- including the majority of Californians -- support tougher laws against illegal immigration. The U.S. House of Representa
116 AR385 : You are funny. Do you actually know the requirements? No. If you did, you would not have posted the above. Most of those doctors, came to the US afte
117 Post contains links AerospaceFan : I find that hard to believe. In fact, I find it so hard to believe that I doubt you can name three such top doctors who are illegal aliens and remain
118 AR385 : Yep, you are right, it is hard to believe. But it's true. Do your homework. Go to each of those medical facilities website and do some research.
119 AerospaceFan : You're the one making the original, extraordinary claim. You're the one who bears the burden of proof. Common sense suggests that legitimate, top hos
120 AR385 : Er..sorry, I don't have doubts, otherwise I would not have made such an statement. So enough already with your childish cheap shots. If you don't bel
121 Post contains links AerospaceFan : By the way, in the State of New York and any other state I can think of, you cannot generally be a licensed physician at all if you are not legally in
122 AerospaceFan : Obviously you don't have doubts, since you're the one making the extraordinary claim. Nevetheless, this does not address the fact that it's not up to
123 AR385 : Ok, I get the mis-understanding. I thought I was clear. What I tried to say is that the small percentage of these doctors I refer to, were once illega
124 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Thank you very kindly for your consideration. I do appreciate it. Your gracious apology is accepted. However, I'm afraid that this does not entirely
125 AR385 : I can accept that gladly. I do know, however, that illegal immigrants can become legal in a variety of ways, not necessarily an amnesty. But for that
126 Post contains images AerospaceFan : You make a good point about the complexity of immigration law. Such law is needlessly complex and confusing, in my view.
127 Post contains images Mrniji : Now don't claim to speak in the "name of the peoples" by using selective statistics. I could also say that the majority of Americans prefers a human
128 AR385 : That point you mention is a great one and one of the few intelligent things heard in this thread. My father was an American National, I am an America
129 Post contains images Mrniji : You would be most welcome! We need dilligent people like you
130 AR385 : Uuuuuh, thankyou very much, but what exactly do you mean? dilligent?
131 Post contains images Mrniji : Typo, sorry: diligent
132 AR385 : Sorry, please bear with me, I did not mean the typo, I meant diligent. What do you mean? Is it a compliment? and if it is, what did you base it on. I
133 TACAA320 : Diligent = diligente = diligente. (Del lat. dilĭgens, -entis). 1. adj. Cuidadoso, exacto y activo. 2. adj. Pronto, presto, ligero en el obrar. S
134 Falcon84 : Would you like the border patrol to be issued a copy of the "Communist Manifesto" while at such a wall?
135 AerospaceFan : Walls in the Communist world were built to keep people in, not out.
136 Joness0154 : Well, what do you suggest we do then? Put up a nice sign that says crossing is illegal? There's only one way to stop the influx of illegal immigrants
137 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I love it when folks try to compare the enforcement of our borders to Communism or (in the case of some of the L.A. protestors), Nazism. It's easy to
138 NIKV69 : You are out of touch. Maids and such are not making your so called "slave wages" With tips a person who cleans rooms at a motel or hotel is going to
139 Joness0154 : No one has said we don't need immigrants! Pound that into your head! We just said they need to come here LEGALLY! If that raises prices for certain t
140 Post contains images Mrniji : Of course it is a compliment. You were showing the success of your family in terms of entrepreneurial skills.. something the US needs
141 AerospaceFan : No, but do McDonald's burgers cost significantly more in Canada, which doesn't have an illegal immigration problem of similar magnitude? From experie
142 YeahitsK : I absolutely disagree with this point, Mexicans don't want these people coming across just as much as we don't. Anyone in Mexico with aspirations of
143 Wardialer : I would like to add something extra to this. It just drives me very crazy to see all these illegals crossing the borders and pooping out babies and se
144 Post contains links TACAA320 : Don't you think that the U.S. drug problem is bigger than the immigration one ? http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/li...ry/PRBpubs/bp435-e.htm#theunit
145 Falcon84 : It won't stop illegals from getting dude. They'll go around on boat, or dig under neath, or find otherways to get here. It will not STOP the problem,
146 Post contains images Tbar220 : Wardialer, Feisty aren't we? A few points I'd like to make... - Babies aren't pooped out, hell, if a baby came out of that hole, I would be seriously
147 Wardialer : I just DO NOT support these people crossing and working illegally and taking our jobs away and waving their flags like if it is their country...Thats
148 Derico : Dude, I can't believe you stooped so low, and you did so for nothing. First of all, if you had read my post correctly, I was referring to ARGENTINE n
149 Joness0154 : It just makes them easier to catch if they try other ways. I'd be kind of hard to get across in a boat, wouldnt you think? The only viable spots for
150 Falcon84 : And, again, the comparisons to the USSR would begin. Putting up a wall around a democratic nation is absurd; it shouldn't even be considered-EVER. Th
151 Post contains links YeahitsK : I read a lot, I assure you of that. Here's some reading for you sir. Of course I don't think it's just Mexicans, I didn't mean to give that impressio
152 Wardialer : WAIT A SECOND AND WAIT A SECOND here...I forgot really ONE important key ingredient problem here.... If Mexico is SOOOO corrupt and people down there
153 Post contains images NIKV69 : Really? LOL, not that easy pal. If certain prices spike it effects us all. When gas spikes, tourism and other luxury markets hurt bigtime. If hotels
154 Joness0154 : " target=_blank>http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0126/p....html I love the hipocracy among the Mexicans and their government. They'll set up a checkpoint
155 Dougloid : Fact of the matter is, as anyone who ever sat through a macroeconomics class can tell you, when a competing product is introduced at a lower price it
156 Sovietjet : It'll stop most. Put up a nice wall with some barbed wire and electric current and there you go. The Chinese did it 2000 years ago I'm sure we can do
157 Joness0154 : And we need to spend our money on supporting our homeless and our less fortuned, rather than the illegals freeloading off of our system. Take care of
158 AR385 : No, it's not a few thousand. It's more than that. Probably close to 100,000. We got the rejects from Spain and Italy, too. As far as Argentina going
159 AR385 : Thanks alot Mrniji. I was not sure what you meant. You can come and visit anytime you want, too. We'll give you a tour around the wells and such. You
160 Falcon84 : No, we shouldn't. Again, the answer isn't HERE, it's in these countries that have their citizens fleeing here-even illegally-looking for something be
161 Joness0154 : Well, since we all know that life in Mexico will not be nearly as good as it will be here for the foreseeable future, the problem will still exist an
162 Falcon84 : If you want quick fixes, none that make any common sense are availible, my friend. This has to be a long-term strategy, not a short-term quick-fix, t
163 AR385 : Any wall you build, constraints in immigration legal or illegal you can think of, prison sentences, soft "torture" techniques (Guantanamo comes to min
164 Falcon84 : Great post, my friend. Excellent. Unfortunately, the American mindset, more often than not, is for the hear and now, and nothing is really thought th
165 Post contains images YeahitsK : We need the Governments of Mexico and Latin America as allies and participants to solve this problem- nobody here is saying that illegal immigration
166 11Bravo : You're right of course. The key to this whole thing is figuring out how to make things better for everybody so that desperately poor people feel they
167 AerospaceFan : Wait a second. Where do I fit in in that classification, I wonder?
168 11Bravo : My comment was not directed at you.
169 Post contains images Falcon84 : A bit of a guilt creeping in, perhaps?
170 Post contains images AerospaceFan : That's good. Nah. I never feel guilty about anything. Hmm, I wonder if that's a good thing; I feel very odd about that....
171 Post contains images Mrniji : I myself am an immigrant, in two countries, and I know well how you feel.. in the first phase, those right-wingers make you a hard life, and later th
172 Post contains images Falcon84 : True. After all it IS a human trait, you know.
173 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Error, error. Does not compute. Does not compute.
174 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Ahem. I consider the sample not too shabby here. After all, you have many pro-illegal sentiments expressed even on this Board. Anyway, you and I tota
175 Post contains images Mrniji : Agreed 100 % as long as respect, non-violence prevail, let's debate and post our opinions, and learn from each other, validate and enforce, reject, r
176 Post contains links TACAA320 : "Sen. Lindsey Graham hears about illegal immigration whenever he returns home to South Carolina. And for good reason. South Carolina, a state with his
177 Falcon84 : Funny, I was just reading that article posted above.
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