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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 872 times:

To pick up the previous thread, and in reference to question of Andes....., yes, peace in the area will be a gigantic push to tourism. Not only do Palestine+Israel possess unequalled cultural treasures, but the open borders with Lebanon and Syria, plus those already open towards Jordan and Egypt, will enable tour-operators to offer combinations of these countries, so that a tourist on one single journey will have the possibility to see the pyramids and Cairo plus Alexandria, Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rocks, beautiful Damascus and in the end relax in Beirut. or the other way round and relax in Alexandria .

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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 859 times:

I for one could see a great package!
I would also think that Israelis would be lining up for such an event!

If security comes, then going border to border, like Danes and Germans do now... Well that would be amazing!

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 845 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
the open borders with Lebanon and Syria

Maybe Lebanon but definetely not Syria. You will not see a peace accord with Syria in the next 100 years (at least).



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 830 times:

Yes, lets continue the thread...

So what are the distances we are talking about, say from the Giza plateau, the red sea, up to Gaza, Jerusalem, Petra, and Beirut. Are those close enough to make a good tour?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 803 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 2):
Maybe Lebanon but definetely not Syria. You will not see a peace accord with Syria in the next 100 years (at least).

as soon as an Israel-Palestinian settlement is reached, Syria will sign a peace-treaty with Israel, possibly together with Lebanon

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
So what are the distances we are talking about, say from the Giza plateau, the red sea, up to Gaza, Jerusalem, Petra, and Beirut. Are those close enough to make a good tour?

ok for a 10 days tour -- it is 100s of kilometers, but good roads


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 797 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
as soon as an Israel-Palestinian settlement is reached, Syria will sign a peace-treaty with Israel, possibly together with Lebanon

Is that a promise?  Wink

I am curious... What is your connection to the Middle East? Obviously you know mine.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineLy7e7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 793 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
Syria will sign a peace-treaty with Israel

Do you serioulsy think that they'll will forget about the Golan heights? Cause we certainly won't.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 779 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 5):
Is that a promise?

no, it is a forecast. Neither can I make promises on behalf of Dr Assad nor of potential successors. But I am very certain in this regard. I had a lady from Damascus (of Palestinian origin, from a Haifa family) as Arabic-teacher for a while, and from her, and on a Damascus-visit also from her family, learnt a lot about "local" things about that great city

Quoting Ly7e7 (Reply 6):
Do you serioulsy think that they'll will forget about the Golan heights? Cause we certainly won't.

not enthusiastically, but they will, if some very local solutions can be arranged, which have to be arranged anyway, as soon as the overall situation improves. And compliments btw. for the election-results.

[Edited 2006-03-29 17:02:45]

User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 769 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 7):

I admire your optimism, but Syria as of now, politically, is no where near stable!
They still are involved in housing Palestinian terrorist training camps, and have close bonds with Iran, Hizbollah goes in the wake of that.

Now I see why they might feel a need to alliance them selves sorta speak, but this is why it seems like a never ended stand off. You see Syria needs to cut those relations, if that happens then we have the issue of Golan.

I have also met Syrians and they've also left a good impression on me, they are a nation of a proud past!
I really feel sad that their culture has been lost.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 767 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 8):
their culture has been lost.

Their culture has NOT been lost, and their country already made a step forward when Hafez el-Assad replaced Nureddin el-Atassi, and Dr Bashar el-Assad has introduced many improvements in the fields of personal freedom, computers, photocopiers, internet etc. What is stagnating is the political freedom, or in other words the political dictatorship. The general INTERNAL development in many ways is going in a good way. They however should restrict radical Palestinian movements, and should restrict the links to Tehran somewhat.


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 943 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 754 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
as soon as an Israel-Palestinian settlement is reached, Syria will sign a peace-treaty with Israel, possibly together with Lebanon

You make it sounds so easy  Smile
Syria is not waiting for the Palestinians. On the contrary, they felt betrayed by them when the Palestinian signed the Oslo accord in 1993 and left them behind (and in 95 it was Jordan).

Without entering into the problems that Syria has today with the world and other things that Boaz said there is another very major thing here.

Syria will demand that Israel will withdraw to the June 67 lines. This will never happen, mainly because the international border is east to that line.
In 2000 the UN set a precedent by setting the border between Israel and Lebanon with maps from early 20th century (when the UK and France occupied the area). The same maps will set the border with Syria one day and Syria will have many problems with that and the big (huge actually) one is that Syrians will not be able to put their legs into the Galilee sea (they could before 67' by occupying Israeli land). That one won't be easy. There were some reports in the past that Israel and Syria were close to a deal (both with Rabin and Netanyahu) and this problem (even before the 2000 precedent) prevented it (not to mention other problems like the Hermon mountain).

There is no question that peace with Lebanon and Syria (if / when happens) will be together.



Long live the B747
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 746 times:

Quoting Avi (Reply 10):
it sounds so easy

I admit that there are some complicated issues to be solved. There will be compromises to be found. Basically however, most of the Syrian "positions" is rethorics, and not to be taken literally. No, the actual stumbling block of everything quite obviously is East Jerusalem. While it is obvious that the Arab side has to make heavy concessions in regard to both the WailingWall including adjacent old Jewish quarters (which 1948-67 were Jordanian) and some adjoining settlements, while Israel will have to make concessions in regard to A) sovereignty of East Jerusalem in principle B) the role of East Jerusalem as Palestine Capital and C) the Haram-al-Sharif . Some very heavy things indeed. And while the elections on your side brought quite nice results, the ones on the other side produced rubbish.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 741 times:

I really regret not going to Gaza airport and gamble at the casino in Jericho,
as for your dreams. Peace in ME will only happen when they go broke, add
Iraq, lot to see there as well.


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 717 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):

Yeah well, but no nation wants to go broke willingly.
So we better start finding new ways, or we'll have another war in that region.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 705 times:

Another wars you mean? No solution just facts about the region...

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 704 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 12):
Peace in ME will only happen when they go broke

The Palestinians HAVE gone broke a year ago, by international accounting standards. Money around, but not really available due to accounting problems. Lebanon had such things in the late 70ies and the 80ies, and now is out of it. No, dire straits do NOT solve problems

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 14):
No solution just facts about the region...

not facts, but exaggerations -- exaggerations of existing problems, but exaggerations nevertheless.


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