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President Bush Caught In Another Lie?  
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Last week, Bush blasted Helen Thomas' implication that he wanted to go to war with Iraq. He said he didn't want to go to war, and that no president wanted to go to war.

Well...

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-WarPlans.wmv (courtesty of MSNBC)

It looks like Bush was determined to go to war as far as two months before, no matter what the results of the weapon inspectors or action by the U.N. This decision was made even before Colin Powell took his speech to the United Nations.

So with this new "war memo", and with the Downing Street Memo, at what point will we ALL agree that something was afoul before the war? That the whole lead up to the war was just a farce? At what point is he held responsible, at what point are those who voted for the war held responsible for leading us into the war which continues to this day?

AND, even if you supported the president going into Iraq (for WMD's... I mean to kill terrorists.... I mean to spread democracy...), at what point do you acknowledge that the President has lied repeatedly to the public? How many lies does it take for people to say "Enough is enough"?

Its becoming more and more clear that this was indeed "lies and misinformation" rather than just a "mistake over WMD's".


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
How many lies does it take for people to say "Enough is enough"?

oh come on now, Tbar, just ask Je$u$ for forgiveness for all of your sins and everything is just really flippin' dandy!



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
oh come on now, Tbar, just ask Je$u$ for forgiveness for all of your sins and everything is just really flippin' dandy!

Does that work if I'm Jewish?

And will that work for Bush?



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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
President Bush Caught In Another Lie?

And the sun comes up.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
Does that work if I'm Jewish?

If you refuse to take part in the tradition to kill off another religion's messiah, then yes.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
And will that work for Bush?

Of course. Because he's a humble millionaire who floods his generosity upon all the people in the land. There's talk in another thread on this board about doing just that.

.........wait......



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting Thepilot (Reply 3):
And the sun comes up.

I'm not surprised about this story. But it is still deeply disturbing. We thought Nixon ruined our trust in government, Bush is digging it into a grave deeper than we will ever be able to recover from.

At what point will we stop saying "It's just another lie from his mouth" and demand action? At what point will take this into perspective? Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about an impeachment. Bush can get away with lie after lie after lie in his entire presidency. More evidence comes out every week about more of the same type of lies and misinformation. Are we to just accept it? Republican or Democrat, shouldn't we strive for trust in our politicians? For transparency of government? When the presidnet and our politicians start violating this trust and the implicit "contract" the government has with the people, shouldn't we demand action or change?

Whether or not your support his policies, this pattern has to be disturbing. It sure seems to be a deliberate attempt to misinform and lie to the American people about everything ranging from terrorism, the war in Iraq, and security, to global warming and economic policy.

If the President is so sure and passionate about his beliefs and policies, why has he been so dishonest about them?



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Bush is digging it into a grave deeper than we will ever be able to recover from.

It will take a generation to recover from the damage that the Bush administration has done to this country. Individuals younger than 30 will be the first generation to have a lower standard of living than their parents. The safety nets of the past seventy years (retirement, social security, public assistance) are all being cut back or going away in the name of bigger profits.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
I'm not surprised about this story. But it is still deeply disturbing. We thought Nixon ruined our trust in government,

LIke Nixon and others, once you lose the trust of the people, its impossible to get it back. There is approximately 30% that will continue to believe in him no matter what. Meanwhile November is approaching, which will allow the voters to a vote of confidence in his adminstration or send a strong message that change is needed.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

I asked this question on another board:

Why, when Clinton was in office, it was so very patriotic to question and speak out against the president, but when Bush took office, it suddenly became un-patriotic to speak out against the president? Why is anyone that speaks out against the current administration is unpatriotic?

Bush lied about worse things than Clinton did, and Americans are not outraged. I guess for Americans to be outraged, Bush should be having an extramarital affair in the Oval Office.....

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath about an impeachment. Bush can get away with lie after lie after lie in his entire presidency.

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I can't wait to see what the hardcore Bush supporters say about this. Clinton was impeached for saying he did not do Monica, basically, he was impeached for adultery, yet Bush lied about matters that are more serious, not only for the country, but for the world.

regards  Smile



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

I'm shocked and appalled, this whole time I had him pegged as being a little misguided and stupid but never dishonest  Yeah sure

YOWza



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User currently offlineScott2187 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
at what point do you acknowledge that the President has lied repeatedly to the public?

Did you hear all these lies and stuff on the Communist News Network (CNN)?



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting Scott2187 (Reply 10):
Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
at what point do you acknowledge that the President has lied repeatedly to the public?

Did you hear all these lies and stuff on the Communist News Network (CNN)?

I never said that.

But...

Quoting Scott2187 (Reply 10):
Did you hear all these lies and stuff on the Communist News Network (CNN)?

It blantantly says MSNBC above, sweetie.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 11):
It blantantly says MSNBC above, sweetie.

Well, the link (with MSNBC appended) leads to crooksandliars.com

The video is not on their front page nor accessable through a key word search of their archive.

A working link to the material would be nice.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Has there been any statement of Bush which wasn't a lie?

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 12):

The video is not on their front page nor accessable through a key word search of their archive.

That's funny, because like every damn headline I just pulled up was blasting Bush and the Iraq war.

However, all failed in comparison to "Pyscho Kitty." That was fun!


Anyway, outside of MSNBC and Pyscho Kitty, here's this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/in...=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin



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User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Tbar == RJSmith?

Does anyone really give a rats ass what Bush does? I know I don't. What he does at 1600 PA Ave does not affect me one bit. I live just as well under the so called "Bush regime" as I did under the Clinton era. I think people ...especially the media get way too excited about what the president does. Hell... they're the same ones who turned into worry-warts about Bird Flu, Global Warming and other scams (remember Y2K??).

When I dislike somebody, I choose ignore them instead of obsessing about them. It also makes life much easier since you don't have to worry about anything. Maybe the Bush Lied, People Died crowd should give that a try.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

Quoting Solarix (Reply 15):
When I dislike somebody, I choose ignore them instead of obsessing about them. It also makes life much easier since you don't have to worry about anything. Maybe the Bush Lied, People Died crowd should give that a try.

Naivity is Patriotastic!



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Oh, lookie! Here's something from CNN after all!


http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...06/03/28/ensor.bush.blair.memo.cnn



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 17):



Quote:




The page you requested cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.


Please try the following:
• If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.
• Open the www.cnn.com home page and look for links to the information you want.
• Use the navigation bar on the left to find the link you are looking for.
• Click the Back button to try another link.
• Enter a term in the search form below to look for information on CNN sites or the Internet.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Bush/Blair Wanted To Provoke War With Iraq (by Falcon84 Mar 29 2006 in Non Aviation)


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Looks like you're just not going to be cool enough to join in on the fun with us cool kids.


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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
It looks like Bush was determined to go to war as far as two months before, no matter what the results of the weapon inspectors or action by the U.N

Not really surprising. Not shocking anymore cause I thought that was clear in the first place. All the time before the war it seemed like they want it no matter what.
No it's just confirmed.

Regards
jush



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
It looks like Bush was determined to go to war as far as two months before

I think he had his mind made up before then privately. He was going to jump through any hoops to make that happen.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 5):
Bush can get away with lie after lie after lie in his entire presidency. More evidence comes out every week about more of the same type of lies and misinformation.

That is what we have with a GOP legislature and Whitehouse, they are working on the SCotUS. Clinton was targeted for lying under oath. Bush hasnt ever really been under oath. Remember he refused the 9-11 commission, "I'll visit with them, but I dont testify"

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 7):
Why, when Clinton was in office, it was so very patriotic to question and speak out against the president, but when Bush took office, it suddenly became un-patriotic to speak out against the president? Why is anyone that speaks out against the current administration is unpatriotic?

Once again, see GOP spin machine, GOP was pissed at Clinton for cutting out of Somalia, but when the dems want some answer about Iraq, notta.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 7):
Bush lied about worse things than Clinton did, and Americans are not outraged. I guess for Americans to be outraged, Bush should be having an extramarital affair in the Oval Office.....

Once again it is that small technicality of being under oath. It was worse partisan politics then than we have now.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Sorry about the link folks...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/27.html#a7687

This should work.

Quoting Solarix (Reply 15):
Does anyone really give a rats ass what Bush does? I know I don't.

That's really disturbing. He IS the president of the United States. One of your responsibilities as a citizen of this country is to be knowledgeable of the actions of your elected officials. If you think the only responsibility of a citizen is to vote, you're dead wrong. If elected officials aren't at risk for being held accountable for their actions, they are basically given a green light to act in a tyrannical manner for four years if not eight.

And when his actions have led to the deaths of over 2,300 U.S. troops and over 30,000 Iraqis, damned right you should care. As long as people keep dying, as long as our troops are stuck in the middle of this chaos that's a result of our invasion, you should care.



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User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 1):
just ask Je$u$ for forgiveness for all of your sins and everything is just really flippin' dandy!



Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
If you refuse to take part in the tradition to kill off another religion's messiah, then yes.

Nice. Taking cheap, uncalled shots at religion on a thread that has nothing to do with it. Yeah sure

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 8):
basically, he was impeached for adultery,


Wrong Ezeiza. President Clinton was impeached for PERJURY, which is quite different. From a legal and ethical point of view, the reason behind his lying under oath it's irrelevant.


25 TUNisia : Ahh !! Someone else here who also frequents Crooks & Liars. I go there every day almost. Good quality posts over there.
26 Falcon84 : From a credibility standpoint, it was pretty lame. From the standpoint that the American people saw it for what it was-nothing more than a desperate
27 AirCop : True. because if you don't..when your freedoms are taken away..who do you complain to then.
28 Post contains links Tbar220 : I know Olbermann did a good job covering this, but Jon Stewart did an excellent job on this as well. Check it out http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/0
29 Gilligan : The NY Times piece, unusually fair for once, certainly covers what John Stewart decided to pass over, I'm sure in the interests of time. "On Sunday,
30 Tbar220 : Scary, so is the only responsibility of a citizen on election day? Does that mean Bush has free reign for four years? Talk about a dictatorial system
31 Gilligan : No, the Constitution is quite clear on what it takes to impeach and remove the President and any other office holder. There is also a section on how
32 Mrmeangenes : I have to say this is one of the sillier threads I've seen ! This "just discovered !" information has been "open source" for a very long time. Check o
33 BN747 : "I didn't got to the link?" You blast me for a misstep 'substance' (in the White Hosue Resign thread) and you can't even spell 'go'... boy, do you ne
34 Post contains links Aloges : Ahhh... to bathe in memories! Iraq Started Destroying El Samud II Missiles (by Racko Mar 1 2003 in Non Aviation) How Long Will Iraq War Last? (by Ryan
35 Bushpilot : There is little doubt in my mind that he wanted to invade Iraq before he was even elected. He wanted and needed to clean up after his pops not gettin
36 Mrmeangenes : Do you base this conclusion on something other than Bush-o-phobia ? Was it,perhaps,a message from Olympus ? Is there a single reason anyone should ta
37 AGM100 : First: I believe that the pretex for war was regiem change in Iraq (period). Saddam had invaded his neigbors,used gas on his own people and tried to
38 Tbar220 : Its easy to say that ("period") and then call those of us who call out the fact that all we heard about was WMD's and terrorism "bitching about it".
39 AGM100 : I didnt say it was the Stated claim of the administration , I said I believe it was the true intention. WMD'S and UN violations were used to convince
40 Post contains links Bushpilot : Interesting way to put it, I said he had his mind made up to invade Iraq before he was even elected and I stand by that. Around the days of 9-11 he w
41 AGM100 : Just curious , what would people be saying now if the insurgency had not erupted. Lets say that everything had gone as planned. A democratic governme
42 Tbar220 : And they're all fools. Doesn't make what happened wrong. The fact remains that it was Bush who took us to war on these claims. It was Bush that took
43 AGM100 : Your right , the buck stops with the President. He used the tools he had available to convince the American people to act. Again, I just dont see the
44 Post contains images EZEIZA : That Saddam was not the nicest guy around is a fact, but who has the right to invade another country based on not liking another guy? Was Saddam the
45 EZEIZA : What if Saddam had not been supported by the US against Iran? What if Bin Laden did not recieve help from the US against the Soviet Union? "What if's
46 AGM100 : Not really attempting to justify the war , only to justify the original intent of the administration. I personally believe that the admin gambled big
47 EZEIZA : the original intent of the Bush admin has been changing since the war started. First it was the 9/11 link, then WMD's, then Saddam being evil to his
48 Post contains images Mrmeangenes : Don't cry for us yet Argentina- The truth is often elusive: Saddam had those weapons, But we didn't find them- The result was opinions Abusive. Of lat
49 Post contains links Mrmeangenes : There's increasing evidence Bush did NOT lie to anybody-unless you call understating the case "lying" ! http://www.investors.com/editorial/I...?artsec
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