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Bush - A Good Guy?  
User currently offlineL-1011-500 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 368 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Short and Simple - Do you think Bush has handled this situation well? Has your opinion of him changed in anyway since the attacks?

Personally, I thought he was a great president, and now I think the integrity and honor of his cabinet and he himself has shown through even clearer. Nice job GW. I have even greater respect for him now, and there isn't another president I would rather have up there (esp. not Gore/Clinton)

L-1011-500

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8047 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Couldn't disagree more, I think he's completely out of his depth and got there because the support his family carries with (say) the Supreme Court. These second-rate presidents have been America's Achilles Heel for decades now. I personally liked Clinton - for instance he went to the Gaza Strip, which took balls and proved he was genuinely interested in creating peace. Ditto Belfast. But I know a lot of Americans didn't like him.

But let's be real: Johnson (Vietnam), Nixon (where the hell do I start?), Ford (the man for whom the expression was coined, "Can't walk and chew gum at the same time"), Carter (Iran), Reagan (where the hell do I start), Bush sr (inconclusive end to Gulf War; recession; comment about the Simpsons), Clinton (couldn't keep his hands off tarts; lied, albeit about his personal life).

You guys have only had one two-term president (I don't count Reagan cos he genuinely wasn't in command towards the end) since the 50s and a lesser man would have been hounded out of office - Clinton. I don't think any president since Eisenhower has reflected even an ounce of the greatness of the nation that elected them. Bush sr is one of the worst examples and people like him in the hot seat is a luxury America can no longer afford.



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User currently offlineLubcha132 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

he's doing a lot better than gore would've for sure

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8047 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Must agree with that, if I was American I'd be a Democrat by a mile but Gore didn't thrill me at all and I don't think he'd be doing much better now. It's a terrible situation and needs real leadership, and Gore is just as useless as the others. Guiliani 2004.


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User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1168 times:

I didn't like Bush SR one bit for his lack of action in dealing with Libya on PA 103. As well as caving in to the Saudis and not invading Baghdad. Saddam is still in power. Hopefully Bush Jr will have more backbone than his father ever did. I persoanlly think he is doing a much better job than Gore. Clinton would've done next to nothing aside from lauching some missles.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineBove From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

"W" may be dumber than a pile of bricks, but resurrecting the old Cold War spooks for his foreign policy team turned out to be exactly the way to go...this is no time for Madeline Halfbright to be running the show.

I have no sympathy for Gore whatsoever. He shot himself in the foot with his over-reliance on media-savvy experts to craft his every move and thought. Having said that, American people by and large do not like intellectuals. Draw your own conclusions about that one . Big grin


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

First of all, I don't think Bush has any other choice as how to approach this situation. If we remember, his administration took quite a PR beating for pissing off our closest allies during the first 6 months in office. Here in Europe it was all over the news. People were just indignant that he would dare make policy decisions unilaterally. That said, this WTC attack was a blessing in disguise. It gave Bush a second chance to get it right, which he did by carefully consulting with leaders before making a move. But I tell you, ANY president would have had to make the same decision, as it's simply the most prudent choice to make given the sensitivity of this issue. I think whether Gore, Jackson or my Aunt Edna, the president would have received similar council from his cabinet.

That said, my one biggest gripe with Bush is that he doesn't seem to know what he's doing. I get the impression that its his advisers who're running the show. Haven't you guys ever noticed whenever he's asked important questions at news conferences? This man genuinely has no clue! He stumbles and fumbles for any answer, and most of them sound like comments from a grade schooler. It is rather embarassing when foreign diplomats visit the White House, using English as a second language, and still manage to give more credible sounding and confident replies to tough questions from the media.

Many people say he has a speech impediment. That's fine. You can't and shouldn't hold that against him, he has no control over that. But apart from that, the guy just doesn't seem to display that confidence on screen that says, "this is my administration, I call the shots, I'm confident that I know what I'm doing". His sentences lack coherence, logic or any sense whatsoever. His inability to properly and confidently make a convincing statement on government policy or decisions leads me to believe his advisers are really running the White House, with him just stamping the presidential seal wherever they tell him. Whenever Condoleeza Rice holds a press conference, she looks 10 times the President that he is. It's so bad that everytime he speaks on TV, I usually have to change the channel, it's that painful!


User currently offlineAirplanenut From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

You said HANDLED the situation... there is no judging until the attacks are all over. At the moment, i think he is handling it well... I just don't think he should try to get a job as an English teacher...

Some of his ideas didn't make any sense, so I didn't like him... but this might make him a good pres... it all depends on what he does/could do.

Jeremy



Why yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist...
User currently offlineMcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Hepkat wrote: "It's so bad that everytime he speaks on TV, I usually have to change the channel, it's that painful!"

Have you ever heard a speech by Jean Chrétien, the Canadian prime minister? Bush's speech impediment, if he even really has one, pales by comparison.

The one politician I find myself having to change the channel on is Tony Blair. Blair's trouble is that he is too good a public speaker, so polished that he comes across as slick.



User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Schmuck!


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

The Bush administration has been faced with an unprecedented situation, and it seems that his administration has dealt with the situation pretty well thus far (and obviously, there is still a lot that could go wrong).

That being said, I do disagree with Bush in regards to his stance on the environment and his position on social issues. But, we are in a time of crisis right now, and therefore, these issues pale in significance.

It goes without saying that Bush is no intellectual. However, history has shown us that great intellectuals as well as business leaders don't tend to fare well in the Oval Office. In general, these people try and "run the show" too much, which usually results in placing the government in a state of gridlock. Bush, on the other hand, seems to be acting as more of a figurehead, letting his cabinet and advisors run the show.

Some have criticized Bush's ability to handle press conferences, and I would agree that he can't give the succinct, polished answers of Bill Clinton or Colin Powell. However, it seems that his delivery has improved during the course of the past year. At least to me, he doesn't come across as being as "stiff" as he once did, and it seems like he has a better grasp of the issues (there's no doubt that he really scared me a couple times during the campaign).


User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

IMO, Bush shoud take some oral english lessons. I am chilean, and I speak english (not perfect, but quite good) and I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING of what Bush says...  Smile


Lan_Fanatic
Chile


User currently offlineSkychuck From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

without his family connections, W would be flipping burgers somewhere, and my apologies to burger-flippers: i'm sure you guys/gals work harder in a day than Bush has in his whole worthless life.

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

LOL, We're Nuts!

No, he's a Schlameel!  Laugh out loud




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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39684 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1093 times:

Bush is and will always be a dumb bastard!
WTC attack or not, he can still can kiss my a$$!



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User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1075 times:

Could not agree more to the 2 above.
Although he so far did surprisingly well in the wake of the attacks. But I would be able to sleep a lot more comfortable if anyone who owns a brain was in his position. (BTW: GW has no backbone, his backbone IS his father.

Stratofish



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1068 times:

GW is an idiot. A "Schlameel", if you will. But he has good advisors.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1058 times:

Bush is underrated, especially by people in this forum who refer to him as an "idiot." He has "found his voice" in this crisis (Hillary Clinton's words), and we are well served by the Bush "War cabinet." It is still early in the war, but I believe Bush will come out of this the way Truman came out of his era; reviled at first, respected in history.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

I still think it's way to early to know whether he's a great president, a good president or a bad one. He's only been in office 9 months. You can't judge a man's incumbency in tne presidency based on 9 months.

I never thought he was a bad guy-I never thought his dad was ,either. I just never agreed with the broad outlines of their policies. Yet I'm behind President Bush now, 1000% without hesitation. And if the election were held today, I'd vote for him, which would be the first GOP candidate for president I would ever have voted for.

The jury is still out on what his presidency will be. We know already what will define it, but we don't know how he will define what it will be. Only a few presidents in history-Lincoln and FDR are the ones who come to mind, ever had such a monumental task facing him so early into his incumbency.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Hepkat said:

"People were just indignant that he would dare make policy decisions unilaterally."

And just what the hell does THAT mean Hekpat? Since when does the US have to get permission from Europe to make policy for the United States? If an American said that about a European country, you'd be down his/her throat. What an absurd statement to make!!

And if a pacifistic coward like yourself doesn't like him, then I'm completely satisfied with the job he's doing.


User currently offlineLeftseat86 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

The only reason why he has handeled this situation so well is because he HASN'T, his advisors have. Besides, since september 11 every one of his speeches has sounded exactly the same...
 Insane


User currently offlineHepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Alpha 1, I think your constant name calling and intimidation tactics are becoming stale. Your constant verbal attacks only demonstrates to us how weak you really are. I've never seen you reply to anyone you disagreed with without having to first belittle them. It's getting tired. Give it up.

User currently offlineMcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

EIPremier wrote: "However, history has shown us that great intellectuals as well as business leaders don't tend to fare well in the Oval Office."

Few from either group ever go into politics. It wouldn't be a rewarding career for them.

I recently attended a speech given by a columnist who has been watching the political scene since the '50s. He said that those who go into politics are almost evenly split among three groups:

- One-third go into politics out of a genuine desire to do good things for the wider community. (These are the ones who rarely or never appear on TV or in the newspapers. Some bow out after a term or two out of frustration.)

- The next third are 'insanely ambitious' and go into politics purely because they want one of the 'top jobs'.

- The final third -- and this fact isn't well known -- are 'surprisingly insecure', and get a high out of having a staff licking and stuffing envelopes and putting up lawn signs (with their names emblasoned across in large letters) on their behalf.

The result? Most legislatures, parliaments, congresses or whatever are simply lousy places to work. Why go into politics when there are better jobs available, without the 60-80 hour weeks, incessant ego games, loss of privacy and disruption of family life?


User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1036 times:

"I think your constant name calling and intimidation tactics are becoming stale." -- True, and it goes without saying for the entire forum.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

I think he has done a superb job durin these times... and yes, he is a 'good guy'.  Big grin

And, dammit.. I agree with Alpha 100% again. This is like the twilight zone.

Anyway, a couple of his statements I've really liked-- and they were both unscripted (seems he does it best that way). The first was at the site when he had the bullhorn and said that Usama "will hear all of us soon," and just this weekend when he returned to the White House from Camp David.

I couldn't have asked for a better person in the Oval Office during these trying times.


25 We're Nuts : Zach, you are becoming way too Liberal. Seriously! Eight months ago, you were calling Bush the lessor of two evils, and a "Liberal". But now he has re
26 N400QX : LOL.. no no no... I still think hes a bit too left on most issues, BUT I do believe he is handling this situation very well and is actually treating t
27 We're Nuts : Welcome to the dark side. Glad you could join! Pffff, typical Liberal drivel.
28 Goodbye : George Bush needs to read up on his geography, and needs to take english lessons. His language is most atrocious for someone who is meant to be in con
29 Alpha 1 : Goodbye, you gave us no instances of either of your charges, and if the best you can do is say what you did about our president, it doesn't hold much
30 Post contains images Aloha 737-200 : "Short and Simple - Do you think Bush has handled this situation well? Has your opinion of him changed in anyway since the attacks? Personally, I thou
31 Stratofish : Just to be sure I got that right: Did anyone in this forum say Bush is TOO FAR LEFT on many issues??? That´s beyond comprehension! Do those guys know
32 Post contains images We're Nuts : Don't mind N400QX, he's just a whacko.
33 Post contains images Leftseat86 : This pretty much sums up what Bush represents to me:
34 Western727 : In a word: Yup.
35 We're Nuts : Oh you're just mad because the resemblance is so striking. Sheesh! And I thought you were a Conservative.
36 Post contains images EIPremier : Is it just me or does Mr. Bush look about five years older than he did before the terrorist attacks? I swear there are more wrinkles in this guys fore
37 EIPremier : Whoops...I was going to respond to you in the previous post, but I guess I got sidetracked. Anyway, I would agree that most people with realistic ambi
38 RealHigh : I just carved a Pumpkin that is smarter than G.W Bush.
39 Post contains images Leftseat86 : LOL RealHigh! I wish we could carve pumpkins in France, but they have no idea what Halloween is...
40 Goodbye : Someone's pooey man! Goodness me, its like someone attacked your father...get a life man, get a life.
41 Leftseat86 : Whatever, looks like someones post got deleted all I'll say is: It wasn't me!
42 Lewis : He is a morron, a complete idiot with an IQ below 70, an ignorant that should have been a janitor in the White House instead of president. How can you
43 Cliffie : Nah Lewis! He's well qualified for the job. He's got all the good attitudes. Links to oil, armament, automobile industry, good media links, he's anti-
44 Cliffie : Not even a single objection to my last post in 24hrs. I was in believe you'd be standing behind your oily president. Instead you're for the victims of
45 KROC : Cliffie. Your post just didn't need a response from someone intelligent who knows something about the current presidency.
46 Cliffie : So please let us know what makes you know about the current presidency that was not distributed by your media. You agreed that media = propaganda. Who
47 KROC : The media and the presidency are controlled by the same intrest groups.
48 Superfly : KROC: True, so why did they hate Bill Clinton so much?
49 KROC : Superfly, the media LOVES Bill Clinton. They portrayed his sexual indescretions like they were nothing, they mad ehim seem like a hero in his attacks
50 Post contains images Superfly : They didn't love him enough!
51 KROC : Please, when Monica wasn't on her knees for Billy, the media was...
52 Post contains images Superfly : Gosh, what a lucky man! Anyway, I think the media likes most Presidents in recent times. They didn't like Bush's Daddy nor did they like Jimmy Carter.
53 Post contains images KROC : And they totally loved Clinton like I love Janet Jackson!
54 We're Nuts : blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah.
55 Scannerson : I did not care for him. and still do not. He was lucky this event happend or he was heading for non reelection now he is going to get re elected, but
56 KROC : Come on WN, say something to spark a conflict. It's been ahile now. Scannerson. The Presidency is a whole. It's not just Bush, or daddy's friends in t
57 Post contains images We're Nuts : Kuck FROC!
58 Superfly : I am willing to bet money that Bush will NOT be re-elected.
59 Post contains images Whistler : During the election, when they were having all that trouble, I was pretty certain that whoever got elected (Bush or Gore) would probably not get elect
60 Post contains images Superfly : Papa Bush also had a 90% approval rating in Feb. 1991. 18 months later, Papa Bush lost with just 35% of the popular vote. What a difference a year mak
61 Post contains images Whistler : Good point . We will see.
62 We're Nuts : GW will continue on two great Bush family traditions; becoming President, and losing re-election horribly.
63 Stretch 8 : Of course it is early in his term, and the war has just begun. But who among the democrats could beat Bush? Gore? He's finished. Kerry? The one from M
64 Post contains images Leftseat86 : RALPH NADER! GREEN PARTY 2004! Superfly, put me down for fifty bucks!
65 Whistler : Maybe Ross Perot could make a comeback.
66 Post contains images Superfly : Stretch 8: We may all get luck and have Hillary Clinton as our next President.
67 We're Nuts : There are plenty of able Senators who could carry on the Democrat flag. Patty Murray, for example. And I'd love to see Maria Cantwell run in a few yea
68 Post contains images Leftseat86 : Hilary would be nice, a great first! But to see who I'm for check my last post(Ralph)
69 Post contains images KROC : We're Nuts, you tree hugger , how can you be so sure that Bush will lose in 2004?
70 Post contains images Superfly : The temporary 90% approval rating will not last. If Daffy Duck were President at this time, Daffy Duck would also have a 90% approval rating.
71 KROC : There is no doubt the 90% approval rating will not last, but considering G Dubya's short comings, his presidency his holding strong.
72 Post contains images Leftseat86 : "He's a winner to the core!"
73 KROC : Leftseat: Where did you get a picture of We're Nuts?
74 Post contains images Leftseat86 : ROFL! www.daffyduck.com Watch your mouth! Or I'll get some Georg i mean Elmer Fudd pics!
75 Lehpron : Psh, Bush isn't a good guy. My opinion of him has actually worsened, it seems rather timely since his ratings were less than 40% at times before and n
76 KROC : Just like Clinton neededto attack Iraq too help get the media nad the people to forget about that pesky Lewinsky situation...
77 Leftseat86 : I agree that Clinton was a looser in that sense...
78 Post contains images Lehpron : KROC, that was a sad coincidence. Besides, the Lewinsky thing was brought on by insurance companies that didn't like Clinton's idea of national health
79 Leftseat86 : Not George!
80 Stretch 8 : You Bush bashers must be smoking the drapes (or else holding each other's dicks). As I have stated elsewhere, Bush will likely wind up as Truman did:
81 Superfly : Stretch 8: Are you a comedian?
82 Post contains images Leftseat86 : He'll go down in history all right! Guinness book of records style: -U.S. President with the lowest I.Q. ever. -U.S. President with closest resemblanc
83 We're Nuts : Well KROC, he lost in 2000.
84 KROC : WN, according to the American voting system, he won, so obviously your statement is INCORRECT. If he lost, how is he president anyway?
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