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Classic WTF are you thinking principal? Look at the AOL Poll, look at the CNN poll, on whether people concur with her actions. 88% do NOT. This isn't communist China where the countries flag can simply be tossed away.
What baffles me is where are the A-Net "Freedom of Speech" widgets who would usually jump up and down at an action like this - ESPECIALLY, most especially, if this action were the burning of said flag or the flying of another countries flag - declaring it an immediate violation of the First Amendment Freedom of Speech.
Hypocritical bastards that they are won't chime in here . . . . because - well, they ARE hypocrites!
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3081 times:
I see a school that is not being run by school staff but by the students. To even let tensions reach that sort of level is uncalled for. To ban the flag is a bit baffling to me. Ban flags for them being pushed into someones face? Ok so they wont use flags anymore, but they will use thier fists instead. The whole thing reeks of nonsense, this is an attempt by school staff to wrestle back order from the students. But violating each and every one of them's rights.
Copaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3080 times:
This is total BS. Banning the American flag in America is ridiculous. These illegal immigrants have no bearing on anything, yet they are starting huge problems in schools and in cities. Banning the US Flag? What a load of S**t. THis is totally ridiculous.
ANC, that principal is probably going "What the hell is this email about?"...hate to point it out to you buddy, but you wrote the principal of Skyline High School located in Idaho Falls, Idaho ...the school in question with the flag banning is Skyline High School in Longmont, Colorado...might want to try again with the right school ( http://www.stvrain.k12.co.us/skyline/administration.html ) if you want your message to get through...
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Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3056 times:
I don't know the US Constition, but doesn't this go totally against this? This principal should get a swift kick in the ass... and so should anyone using the Flag as a rallying point, It's quite shameful behaviour really when the one symbol that sums up your whole country is used in such behaviour...
All I can say really is "Shame on them..." (Both Principal and Student)
AAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
I don't know the US Constition, but doesn't this go totally against this? This principal should get a swift kick in the ass... and so should anyone using the Flag as a rallying point, It's quite shameful behaviour really when the one symbol that sums up your whole country is used in such behaviour.
feel free to wave your flags but not in the face of another student that is of a different race.
J_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3014 times:
Saw a brief interview of this principal on TV...I'm definitely paraphrasing here to save typing but as I heard it, flying the Mexican flag was ok because it represented "their" heritage but the American flag was being used to harass those with the other flag, which was not ok....
That just seems 100% backwards to me! It should be the other way around!
So "our" heritage doesn't count but "theirs" does??
What would happen if we went into Mexico and started waving the US flag and insisting that we be allowed to move there with no paperwork?
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
Quoting S12PPL (Reply 12): You want to blame the school for they're ignorance???
Nope, I blame the kids, the parents and the school for letting this get out of hand.
Where the school's fault lies is with banning the US Flag. If the school administration is so damned weak they have to resort this nonsense in order to maintain - or attempt to maintain - a semblance of order, perhaps that school's administration needs to find a new line of work.
Quoting S12PPL (Reply 12): I mean...the kids are being morons, as only kids can be.
Being a kid is not an excuse to be a moron. It's only a convenient way of dismissing it: "kids will be kids". That's .
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15): If the school administration is so damned weak they have to resort this nonsense in order to maintain - or attempt to maintain - a semblance of order, perhaps that school's administration needs to find a new line of work.
If fights break out because many people disagree with the United State's policy on immigration, I hardly think that's the schools fault........
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
Brendan03 From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2997 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15): It's only a convenient way of dismissing it: "kids will be kids".
If kids will be kids, then perhaps parents should pull their fingers out of their asses and smack the kid around some
The kid will soon learn that everytime He/She Misbehaves = A kick in the ass
This whole crap about "It's bad to spank your kid" is why kids are little cu... Yeah, That word, these days
Discipline will do wonders... without me getting into the whole rant about how to bring up a kid... I agree with ANC, If they think that banning the national flag is the solution, You americans might as well just forget that you're american and about the founding forefathers and basically the entire history of the country
As it turns out this wasn't even half the story as flags from all countries were banned, resulting from incidents like the following...
"Skyline High School Principal Tom Stumpf said American flags were brazenly waved in the faces of Hispanic students and in one case a Mexican flag was thrown into the face of another student."
With all due respect I don't think you know what it's like to work in a high school, particularly one that has a large number of ethnic groups attending. At the best of times it can seem like a powder keg just waiting for some simple misunderstanding to blow. Having been through several racially charged incidents at the school I work at, I can sympathize with the radical actions they had to take.
Had he banned only the American flag I would join you in protest, but he banned ALL flags, an important distinction to make. (I am sure that there were numerous other steps taken that did not make the article) Had this principal banned all flags but the American one, or banned no flags altogether then there may have been a full-blown riot at the school. Had this occurred would anyone have rushed to his defense? Or is this a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation?
I don't know any more about this situation that I did not glean from the article, so for all I know there could be hundreds of other factors at work here. But spending every day working in a large suburban high school as I do I can see how a something like this can quickly get out of hand all because of a handful of (let's be frank here and call it like it is) racists who use their respective flags as instruments of hate.
Without any further information I would give this principal the benefit of the doubt.
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ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 13): If illegals do not feel comfortable in front of the U.S flag then down it must go.......
Horseshit - if illegals don't like the US Flag, let them take their illegal ass outta here . . . that simple.
Quoting Alberchico (Reply 17): If fights break out because many people disagree with the United State's policy on immigration, I hardly think that's the schools fault........
Anytime there is a loss of order in an organized environment - e.g. a school - it's the fault of the organization for failing to maintain order and/or heed warning signs that order is about to disappear.
If you think for a millisecond that banning the US Flag (or any other flag) at this or any other school is going to prevent a fight - if one is going to happen - then you're simply naive. If anything - it has added fuel to the fire.
Of course!!!! That's whole gawddamn problem in this country today . . . trying too damned hard to please everyone else . . . . can't say a prayer in school - might offend that fuckin' idiot on the west coast (can't remember his name at the moment), can't say Christmas in school (might offend the Jews or the Muslims), can't fly the US flag in school (might offend the illegal Mexican immigrants).
Best be damned glad I'm not in that grid square, I'd be parading around in front of that school with the Stars and Stripes flying high!
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
I understand the "right" to wave the flag, as a few have pointed out. However, if it IS being used as a symbol of intimindation and contempt towards someone else, I'm certainly not going to condone that either.
The flag shouldn't be a symbol of xenophobia or jingoism, or used to demean others. It should be used as a symbol of pride, not arrogance.
If the flag was being used in the maner described, then I don't have a problem with it and all national flags being banned, until cooler heads prevail.
Maybe those who were using the flag in such an unseemly manner should be given civics lessons, and what the flag REALLY stand for.