DeltaFFinDFW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1456 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1972 times:
WASHINGTON - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texan touched by a lobbying scandal that ensnared some of his former top aides and cost the Republican his leadership post, won't seek re-election to Congress, officials said Monday.
They said DeLay also is likely to resign his seat and leave Congress by the end of May.
DeLay was expected to disclose his plans Tuesday, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the congressman had not made that announcement.
Several officials said DeLay called Texas members of Congress to tell them he is dropping out of his re-election race.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1972 times:
Well, i know I am not a resident of Houston, so this is not my decision. But all the same, based on what i've seen of this guy over the last couple of years, I think this decision will be the best thing for everyone!
SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
It was about time. It's pretty sad to see Tom Delay ending his career this way, as a corrupt politician. He used to be the poster boy of the succesful conservative wing of the GOP, the right man to put liberal Democrats on their place.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4): Don't let the door hit your arrogant, corrupt ass on the way out the door, Tom.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1907 times:
Its starting. The Abramoff conviction and deal is starting to have its impact felt in Washington. From the article:
He is accused of funneling corporate donations to Republican candidates for the Texas House in violation of state laws. A federal investigation also is pursuing DeLay's ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff. DeLay has denied any wrongdoing in both cases.
But DeLay's woes continued to build over the past week. On Friday, DeLay's former chief of staff pleaded guilty to conspiracy and promised to help with a federal investigation of bribery and lobbying fraud relating to Abramoff. Tony Rudy admitted conspiring with Abramoff ï¿½ both while Rudy worked for the Texas congressman and after he left the lawmaker's staff to become a lobbyist himself.
He is the second former DeLay staffer to plead guilty to federal charges in connection with the lobbying probe. The plea agreement makes no allegation that DeLay did anything wrong.
Just days before Rudy's plea, Abramoff was sentenced to nearly six years in prison for fraud in connection with a separate case, a casino boat business deal. He was allowed to remain free while helping the congressional corruption investigation in Washington.
Or is this before or after his plea agreement is announced????
I'm still not completely convinced the first charges will stick or even lead to a plea bargin. But before I get flamed...read on.
Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 5): It could also be that he's going to be indicted again in connection with the Abramoff investigation.
Very well could be the case.
Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 10): It's pretty sad to see Tom Delay ending his career this way, as a corrupt politician. He used to be the poster boy of the succesful conservative wing of the GOP, the right man to put liberal Democrats on their place.
Yes but at the same time he has gotten away from the core GOP platform. I'll be glad to see him go as he was a major roadblock in the way of the Fair Tax Plan. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 13): I'm still not completely convinced the first charges will stick or even lead to a plea bargin. But before I get flamed...read on.
You may have a point - and your followon comments are noted.
DeLay's sudden 'about face' leads me to believe something is amiss (as if that wasn't already the case) with Abramoff . . . I don't think he'd have bailed out so rapidly - and without pre-speculation - had someone not presented him with something he couldn't lie, weasel or cheat his way out of . . .
I'd be absolutely shocked if he isn't found guilty of something. Will all the "this will all blow over" talk coming out of him and his intents to run again, this quick about-face of policy tells you that he's come to the conclusion that he's going to be convicted.
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13281 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1849 times:
This is perhaps a shrwed move by DeLay to get out somewhat quietly. As noted above, his connections to now convicted and sentenced Abramoff, including the closing in on his aids may lead to him being charged as well and having to take a lot of his time fighting or dealing with those charges. Already censured by his fellow congress members (removal from leadership roles) he doesn't have the respect or power he used to have. He had a nasty primary fight. He can leave soon and as the Governor and the Texas legisgature is Republican dominated, his replacement will be a Republican and most likely to run in November. This would giving the replacement a bump up in the elections and hurting the Democrat opposition and keep the seat in Republican hands.
I just hope that other corrupt politicans involved with excessive lobbying and other corruption would consider retiring before this years elections.
Greasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3091 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
Wow I thought there would be a few appologists defending the guy...
The scandals that seem to be going on in the USA and to a smaller degree in Canada really make me sick of politics. NO wonder 50% vote.
Politicians who are crooks and corrupt deserve massive hard time. To me they are as bad as people who murder, not that they are evil, but they have ripped the public off. They may as well have stolen a Salvation army Kettle.
Until they realise that there is hard time for breaching the public trust nothing will change. They figure so what if I have a criminal record. I made my money and have connections to get a new job.
Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4): Don't let the door hit your arrogant, corrupt ass on the way out the door, Tom.
Is he any more arrogant than any other politician that has been in Washington D.C. for as long as he has? This seems to happen to all of them if they are there long enough.
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7): Wonder if there was some collegial pressure put on old Tom, because his presence is such a sore spot with so many people?
The investigations aside, according to the Houston paper he saw some really disturbing internal polls that showed his support was weakening by the day. Yes he did win the primary but mainly because the other two running just didn't have the name recognition he did.
Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 10): It was about time. It's pretty sad to see Tom Delay ending his career this way, as a corrupt politician. He used to be the poster boy of the successful conservative wing of the GOP, the right man to put liberal Democrats on their place.
It's always sad to see anybody end their career on a questionable note. That being said, his kind of style always invites trouble. You can only bully people around for so long before they start looking for ways to retaliate. If you can't stay squeaky clean it's just not the approach you want to be using.
Some of that has already been dismissed and the rest is being disputed in appeals before trial. It's been shown that the prosecutor in the case as well as a couple of the judges should consider themselves biased against DeLay. Not defending the guy since he has always rubbed me the wrong way but just because you can't beat him at the ballot box is no reason to trump up charges.
According to his spokesman he will change his permanent residence to his condo in Virgina. He claims he will continue to work for the conservative agenda, outside of Congress where he feels he will be more effective. In other words, lobbying. This is the kind of thing I detest. There should be a rule or law that says that you have to wait an appreciable amount of time before you can become a lobbyist after leaving government employ.
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14): . I don't think he'd have bailed out so rapidly - and without pre-speculation - had someone not presented him with something he couldn't lie, weasel or cheat his way out of . . .
I think he saw some poll numbers that showed his support was eroding rather rapidly. Rather than go down in flames he resigns, goes straight to lobbying. My question is, if you resign, do you keep your retirement benefits?
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
The culture of corruption finally oozes into action...no delay, no DeLay!
Quoting Greasespot (Reply 21): Wow I thought there would be a few appologists defending the guy...
They were, until DeLay pre-emtped them by quitting. This morning, the refrain is "I never liked him anyway (sniff.)"
He will, of course, blame "liberal Democrats" for his downfall, which is apparently new Reep code for "Jack Abramoff." He's been pandering to the Xian right lately, so a nice loyal power base there should keep him well-employed; many a chicken dinner in his future, many an amusing speech from a has-been professional pol who was, at the very (very) least, able to read the poll numbers and the handwriting on the wall.
: Than Jim Wright? Dan Rostenkowski? Newt? Kennedy? Nixon? and those are just a few. These are and were pretty arrogant, my way or the highway, people.
: I don't know about that one....it's a real Republican stronghold. Lampson's a decent enough fellow though, but I'd prefer new blood. Not my district
: Beautiful way to start the morning and seeing DeLay is going to resign on the front page. Can't wait to hear Fox, Rush and his kind spin this. Hopeful
: Christ Matthews is claiming he broke the story and he wasn't even the interviewer...what a job! http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3dl.htm I'll take Tim
: Delay is far from clear. If he broke the law, resigning from congress doesn't change a thing. He can have charges leveled against him in connection to
: Not this time. DeLay has been crooked, and I have no tears at all for the way his career is ending (at least in Congress, he'll go on to work as a lo
: Amen. He's an arrogant, rotten ass, and no one should cry for this lout.
: Well that's pretty harsh, no matter who we're talking about.
: Why? If it is true that he broke the laws on lobbying and ethics, then he did the worst thing a politician could do; betray his constituents. If he o
: Based on his statements after his resignation, I'm willing to put money that he's been 'tipped' to additional likely charges. He said he resigned to k
: Has he been convicted? Or even charged? Or have you given up on the premise of "innocent until proven guilty"? No matter what the politicians politic
: To see a formerly good politician go bad? Yes, that is sad. To see them get what's coming to them as a result of going bad? Not sad at all. DeLay pas
: Gilligan, In case you noticed, I didn't say he was guilty. I said "IF he broke laws" then I have no sympathy for him. Of course I believe in innocent
: Yes, if took bribes then by all means throw the book at him. According to the Houston paper, no friend of DeLay's, he has been told he is not a perso
: Gilligan: You live in his district, right? Was Tom DeLay still liked in his district? Would he have won re-election in November or was it possible tha
: Phew! Found our apologist. Not that DeLay needs anyone else working to burnish his image; those who liked and admired him will line up for the chicken
: Hmmmm, sucks don't it? Republicans played damned downright dirty in the last six years (think Karl Rove). I'm not doing anything that's considered "d
: Delay is emblematic of Congress and our entire political process. I hardly think his ilk is limited to the Republican party. However, that being said,
: No, his district is on the far south side of Houston and includes Clear Lake and that area. I live north of town by about 30 miles. Yes, he was still
: Disagree. I think the Dems will close the gap in the House, but not take it. They have a better chance of evening or taking the Senate. They could ta
: You got that right. The Democrats will carry the House and probably the Senate as well. When they do the more extreme members are going to have tunne
: echo...echo...echo...I'm suddenly reminded of four years of Ken Starr's endeavors, cheered on loudly by rabid Reeps...and what the grand ole' party d
: If they do that, Gilligan, they're committing political suicide, IMHO. Their best gameplan, as far as the GOP is concerned, is to let Bush hang himse
: Agreed, but when has that ever stopped either party? Because some of their more extreme members are just as extreme as those that chose to investigat
: Ok.. I AM NOT defending Delay... but, Abramoff has been convicted and sentenced! Don't you think it would have been to his benefit to "spill the bean
: I believe that part of the deal for his reduced sentence was that he fully cooperated before his trial and remains out of jail as long as he cooperat
: Also: the Abramoff influence-peddling scandal isn't the only scandal to taint ol' Tom, not that having two senior aides indicted wouldn't tend to make
: Actually it was because he was able to hammer shut a victory or defeat on a particular bill since so many of his fellow Republicans owed him for thei
: And the best news of all -- and Gilligan, please correct or add to this! -- is that he IS going. I do have a great mental image...maybe it's a cartoo
: As I said above, I'm saddened to see anyone, republican or democrat go out in this fashion. When you think about the effort involved to get to the pos