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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

I was speaking to someone a while back who used to be a teacher in Florida and I was amazed when she told me that the only history taught in her school was that of the USA and none other.

Now, in my school, I studied Irish history, Russian history, British history, European history and the history of medecine, all of which have left me in a rather informed position regarding certain world events, because as I know the history behind something, then I'm in a better position to understand current events and how they could possibly have come about whether or not they are morally justifiable or otherwise.

Is this true of all US schools, or is this just in Florida, or is it up to the individual school/county?

I'd be intrigued to find out becuase personally, I don't have a lot of time for folks who comment on issues in the present but at the same time have no comprehension of the past and how things have developed into what they have done.

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
I was speaking to someone a while back who used to be a teacher in Florida and I was amazed when she told me that the only history taught in her school was that of the USA and none other.

I think most countries focus on their own history, and yes I have been taught about Europe's history too, but we skipped world war 1 since denmark wasn't involved in it. The only reason why I know something about world war 1 was because I have been studying on a canadian highschool


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

I would check that person. It sounds to me like they were (pick one)

a) pulling your leg
b) talking out their ass
c) a Florida cracker
d) member of the Knownothing party

When you've stopped laughing you could ask this person what they did to fix the situation where they allegedly taught. If the answer is "nothing" then maybe you're talking to the wrong sort of person becuase they didn't learn anything while they were teaching.

Now....my old man was a Florida cracker in later life but as a kid he was imported to south Florida and one day in second grade he mentioned the Civil War and they took him to the principal's office and instructed him that that was the "war of southern independence and don't you forgit it".


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

I guess our schools history is mainly war based, we do Vietnam, WW1 WWII the lead up to both of them, but then we do the american boom and some other shorter subjects aswell

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

And in the UK they only teach German history.

Patrick


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
Is this true of all US schools, or is this just in Florida, or is it up to the individual school/county?

It usually falls onto the state and school district to make the cirriculum decisions for instance that is how you get Kansas teaching creationism in science classes. When I was in HS you were required three classes World history, American history, and US government. There was a failed measure to have students here be taught Alaska History. There were additional electives offered which one who was interested could take, for instance I took two additional, one on the holocaust and one on eastern history. Most of the indepth specialized history courses fall at the college level.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 2):
I would check that person. It sounds to me like they were (pick one)

a) pulling your leg
b) talking out their ass
c) a Florida cracker
d) member of the Knownothing party

I have no reason to doubt the integrity of the person in question. Secondly, why would she lie about? She has no reason to, she was simply quoting something as fact, it was me who was shocked about it.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 2):
c) a Florida cracker

You'll have to translate that into English for me please.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 2):
Now....my old man was a Florida cracker in later life but as a kid he was imported to south Florida and one day in second grade he mentioned the Civil War and they took him to the principal's office and instructed him that that was the "war of southern independence and don't you forgit it".

Yes, that's all very interesting, however it doesn't answer my question.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 2):
and don't you forgit it".

Spelling lessons required your end I see.

Please, either answer my question or don't; it's really simple! As much as I hate quoting myself I shall make the point again.....

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
I was speaking to someone a while back who used to be a teacher in Florida and I was amazed when she told me that the only history taught in her school was that of the USA and none other.



Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
Is this true of all US schools, or is this just in Florida, or is it up to the individual school/county?



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 5):

Thank you. A sensible response and one that I was wanting to see.  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

I have studied History at GCSE level and am currently studying at A level (the stage below degree level, A level's are the examinations you take to get into University).

At GCSE level, I studied Nazi Germany and America from 1900 to the present day, so I don't think you can say that all the UK studies is Germany. I then had two coursework assignments, one on the British homefront during World War II and the other on a local History piece. That was on the strikes in the 20th century that occured in the heavy industries such as Coal.

At A level, I study the United Kingdom from 1880-2000, covering mainly the domestic issues such as the creation of new political parties, economic growth and decline and also various other events such as WW1, WW2, Thatcherism etc. However, yet again I study Nazi Germany and also have a coursework assignment on it. However, this time it is more in depth.

Regards,
Chris


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

I am teaching European history right now.


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
the only history taught in her school was that of the USA and none other.

In addittion to Bushpilot's (excellent) response, it also has to do with the grade level. In primary/elementary grades (1-5), it wouldn't be that uncommon for a school to focus solely on US or N American History. In Middle School that's usually expanded to include 'Western Civ' and by High School you get into the very specific national and/or regional histories. I would be shocked to find a school district that never covers anything beyond US history in all 12 years, but not in an individual building.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 6):
Spelling lessons required your end I see.

And then we have:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
medecine



Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
becuase

As I recall we were taught what might be called a history of western civilization, beginning with "the fertile crescent" and progressing up to as recently as maybe ten years before the current school year. It was probably called "world history" but I'm sure it ignored much of Asia and Africa as shapers of events.

Then we had US history which only lightly touched upon Spain and Portugal and their sphere of influence in the hemisphere. In first year Spanish we caught up on this a bit.

We had California history (obviously I went to school in that state)
I also recall other disciplines touching upon their own histories and one art teacher conducting a wonderful history of art and architecture.

All that was at a little public school in a backward and somewhat impoverished county.

Can't answer for Florida though.

Just spoke to my kids. They attended Nevada public schools and got just about what I listed. Add "Western traditions" and government classes.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Thread starter):
I was speaking to someone a while back who used to be a teacher in Florida and I was amazed when she told me that the only history taught in her school was that of the USA and none other.

Incorrect I'm afraid . . . .

I know of three 'History' classes available in Anchorage schools, there may be others:

US History Mandatory
World History Elective
Alaska History Elective

When I was in school - yes, I know I'm an  old  git - World History and US History were entirely separate subjects and both were offered and both were mandatory . . .

BDKLEZ - you're friend's info - while purported to be fact in her mind - is not necessarily the way it is. Perhaps only in her school district . . . definitely NOT the norm.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11):
And then we have

Point taken. I wish to retract my last your Honour!

Hate it when that happens!

Anyway,


Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
you're friend's info - while purported to be fact in her mind - is not necessarily the way it is.

She's my big sister and has been a teacher for 25 years, so as I've said, I've no reason to doubt what she tells me. It seems possible that it was actually the case dependant upon the educational "area" she found herself in and perhaps also the grade that was being taught at her school.

Don't be offended, my fellow Americans, I wasn't having a pop at you guys, just more wondering if this was the exception rather than the norm, or vice versa!



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Perhaps they dropped it because students weren't testing well in that subject. I've heard of that happening at schools that have bureaucratic "squares to fill" to keep funding.


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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14):
Perhaps they dropped it because students weren't testing well in that subject

Nice idea; I hadn't thought of that one, cheers.  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
US History Mandatory
World History Elective
Alaska History Elective

ANC have things changed since I was attending ole West Side High?
We had to take World and US history, 9 and 10th grade respectively. Then there were whatever electives offered. Then 12th grade was US govmt. Out here in the bush they teach World and US history, Alaska history but the level of education isnt even on the same scale as offered in the city.


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

I was lucky enough to take history in both Canadian (first) and US schools -- and the different treatment of the war of 1812 was hilarious. I had a great time. Was also interesting to get the markedly different attitudes towards manifest destiny -- which in Canada translates into "man the barricades."

Wouldn't have missed all that for anything.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 13):
Don't be offended, my fellow Americans, I wasn't having a pop at you guys, just more wondering if this was the exception rather than the norm, or vice versa!

No offense taken - not here anyway - you had a legit question . . . I hope you got the answer you were looking for. I do think the issue is the exception, rather than the norm.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 16):
ANC have things changed since I was attending ole West Side High?

Funding my friend.

I didn't include civics and US Gov't as I didn't consider it history. Those are still mandatory as far as I know. Of course, I haven't been in school in some thirty years, so I may be incorrect.

I wish Alaska History had been made mandatory. More precisely, Alaska Native History. Perhaps it would allow or enable us "round eyes" to better undertand our Native neighbors. I know my g/f (Athabaskan) family has some very rich history - and her Grandfather penned a book* - that thoroughly explains a lot of the culture along the Yukon and Koyukuk Rivers from about 1900 until now. Definitely worth the read.

*Shadows on the Koyukuk -
www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/088240427X?v=glance
www.alaskool.org/native_ed/literature/Review_Kerr-SK.htm

West High grad, eh? My brother also.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1790 times:

The Social Studies curriculum at my high school (public school, Pennsylvania) was the following (at least when I was there from 1999-2003...AFAIK it hasnt changed much since then)

9th grade: US History up til the Civil War

10th grade: US History from Civil War to present (this was available in an AP course, 9th grade was just regular classes and non-AP honors...kind of a bizarre setup)

11th grade: AP European History, or World History (no non-AP European History available, World History was available in Honors though)

12th grade: US Government (AP and regular)

Greg



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
I wish Alaska History had been made mandatory. More precisely, Alaska Native History. Perhaps it would allow or enable us "round eyes" to better undertand our Native neighbors. I know my g/f (Athabaskan) family has some very rich history - and her Grandfather penned a book* - that thoroughly explains a lot of the culture along the Yukon and Koyukuk Rivers from about 1900 until now. Definitely worth the read.

I own a copy of that book. I am Athabaskan/white myself ancestry goes back to Holy Cross on the Yukon. Its crazy you are aquainted with the author. As a lifelong Alaskan, I run into instances weekly about just how damn small this state is. Out here like I said we have Alaska history(mostly native history) that ties into a Yupik language class. Prett neat stuff really. Also on our radio station KDLG they have the lets learn Yupik radio program for about 15minutes a day. Very difficult language, but anytime you can string together three Qs and follow it with J. Thats interesting pronunciation.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
West High grad, eh? My brother also.

Grew up in Spenard, Northwood, Romig and West. Moved to Fairbanks for my SR year for family reasons graduated from Lathrop, went onto UAF. I claim West over Lathrop though.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1787 times:

In Texas, at least when I was in school... Highschool required US History and World History, and had several narrow field history classes as electives (an outstanding two semester european history is was available).

College level courses can be found in just about any field of history.. includeing a two semester gem on the civil war, and some in depth studies in the two continents left out of most previous studies, Africa and Asia.

I've been told that Jr. High requires Tx History, and a watered down version of the Highschool US History (can't trust students to learn it once apparently)... but I was never there so I can't say it's absolutely true.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1783 times:

In my district US History and World History are mandatory for the same two years each for high school students, and some students also take additional electives on world history.......although I understand this is quite rare in most schools here in the US. Also in middle (junior high) school (though I was only in the US for 7th grade onwards) there is a general focus on ancient history and the 20th century worldwide as well.


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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1776 times:

I have always thought that current events should also be taught in history. Im not talking about the latest sensationalism murder trial but important events that happen on the world agenda that has a true bearing on the future and roots in the past. Conflicts such as the Balkan War and Palestinian-Israel conflict go rather undiscussed in class and I think it would be wise for American school kids to know whats happening in the world.

User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1770 times:

Europe?

25 Aa757first : At my school we have US Goverment, World History, European History and American History, in that order. AAndrew
26 Nancy : New York State: World History 9th grade World History 10th grade American History 11th grade Elective (Psychology, Current Events, Holocaust Studies e
27 Gilligan : In Texas they learn Texas history in the 4-5th grade. Took the girls to see the San Jacinto monument (birth place of Texas!) the second summer we were
28 Dougloid : OK. I can see that you do not understand satire and Americanisms complete with spelling and syntax errors carefully built in.. So, let me get right t
29 Post contains links AeroWesty : I knew I'd read something similar to this in the NYTimes recently: http://www.digitaldivide.net/news/view.php?HeadlineID=1008 The intense focus on th
30 Post contains images Dougloid : Yeah. I rope. Don't evvabuddy?
31 GSOShutout55 : Here's what I've had so far starting in 5th Grade 5th:NC History (state) 6th:Western European History 7th:Eastern European History 8th:NC History (sta
32 Post contains links Nancy : 1 credit World History, 1 credit American history 0.5 Economics and 0.5 American Government required in Florida http://www.firn.edu/doe/curriculum/ccd
33 KSYR : My former school in NY required 2 years of Global History (although an AP European History class could substitute for one of the years), followed by U
34 L-188 : I had to take World History and US History in High School. But that being said with the way that schools are now teaching to the No Child Left Behind
35 Dtwclipper : I don't know what it is like today, but I (high school class of '80) had classes in European History and World History. My European History class in
36 Post contains images Maury : When I was in high school in Florida ( ) in the late 70s, our 11th grade history was, as mandated by the state..."Americanism vs. Communism." Guess wh
37 Post contains images KaiGywer : Dougloid already explained it, but it's the language spoken by Appalachian Americans Yeah, that chunk of land to the east of us
38 Scott2187 : in my HS, public: 9th: Civics. 10th: US History, WWI-present. 11th: World History and Economics. 12th: whatever you feel like doing. another question:
39 Post contains images Dougloid : Do you mean to tell me they finally changed the name of Staten Island?
40 Garnetpalmetto : For me when I was coming up in high school I had the following rotation: 9th Grade: Honors International Studies (basically a human geography course)
41 Post contains images BDKLEZ : Why would I, I'm not American. It's a question I have asked as a result of being advised that in one particular school, that the only history that wa
42 Post contains links and images Dougloid : I suppose you're right-I probably wouldn't understand Irish jokes although I did read Angela's Ashes. But to the meat of the subject. Consider the qu
43 Mdsh00 : I think that teacher must have something wrong with her, or maybe SHE only teaches US history. In my School district in California, we started with h
44 Fumanchewd : This isn't true. World history is taught, but not to the extent that American history is. Perhaps it would be better to complain about a certain coun
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