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Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens  
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Hi all, Ted Stevens, the senior senator from Alaska, current Senate Pro Tempore meaning he is 4th in line for President. The King of Pork! He is beloved in Alaska for the most part. But I am curious as to what the rest of the nation/world think of him. Your thoughts are welcome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Stevens

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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

I have mixed feelings. There is no question he's been very effective in looking out for Alaska's interests. As a kid in Juneau in the 70s I really looked up to him. Because my mother was on Governor Hammond's staff, I had the opportunity to meet him several times, and when he remembered me and offered me congratulations on graduating HS I was really impressed. Overall, as a Senator for the State, I'd give him an A and as a US Senator, a B- (some of the things he's done for Alaska weren't necessarily in the Country's best interest).

However lately he seems to have become a crotchety old man who's seems to be losing sight of what's important. I think his time has passed, and its time to step down (same thing w/ Young). It'll be a blow to Alaska for awhile, but something about Alaska's Congressional Delegation, they always seem to rise to the top of the Washington power structure.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3110 times:

His time has gone.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
However lately he seems to have become a crotchety old man who's seems to be losing sight of what's important.

Couldn't say it any better. Doesn't believe in fiscal responsibility. Alaska could do better but they do get some strange politicians from there don't they. Question do you think Mr. Stevens will return to Alaska after he leaves the senate or will he stay in DC like most of them.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

I never really liked the guy until I moved to Alaska and saw just how much good he does for this state. He deserves to go out on his own terms.

The jury is still out on Lisa Murkowski, although I haven't been overly impressed so far. I have my doubts on her staying power in the Senate. Fortunately for the good of Alaska, her daddy Frank will be voted out of the Governor's mansion this fall, unless Alaskans revert to their old habit of voting for politicians that they claim to hate.

As for Don Young, he's kind of in the same category of Stevens in terms of his longevity and power in the House, but I don't think he's near the man that Stevens is. I would rather see Young go than Stevens.

I can't believe I'm a Republican and just said all of that about our delegation!



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Being a life long Alaskan, I know the name well. I know Senator Stevens personally, but we're not golfing buddies or anything . . . I've made some plane trips with him to/from DC/ANC. I've testified at Congressional Hearings on the Hill where he was the Chairman of the Committee (Senate Appropriations). I have spoken with him personally on many occasions. I respect him quite a bit, not only as a US Senator, but as a man. He's very well respected here generally. He does have his moments.

My Father and he know each other fairly well. From the days when he was a Junior Senator and my Father ran the White Pass Railroad. Senator Stevens assisted in getting $$$ and legislation passed that really helped the White Pass Corporation in modernization in 1969.

He is the King of Pork no doubt - but I have no complaints. Every bit of it has benefited this state immensely. I have questioned his spending/appropriating motives on certain things - like those damned bridges to no where. Still, those things will benefit Alaska. And in the big scheme of things - Alaska is my home - if it's good for Alaska, I'm good with it.

I don't think he'll be around much longer - either because he will pass naturally, or will resign and come home to Anchorage. Which brings me to his son, State Senator Benny Boy Stevens - who wouldn't make a pimple on his daddy's ass. He's obvously being groomed to get the appointment when Ted steps down or dies. Anyone doesn't see this coming is blind, deaf and dumb.

As for Lisa  rotfl  - I can't say worthless loud enough.

And Don Young - the only reason he gets re-elected, sorry to say - is because of the native vote. And before you call me a racist - please remember my g/f is Athabaskan. Even she says the only reason Young has a job is because he garners the native vote here.

So as to the topic. Ted Stevens is a great person, personally and professionally IMO. His kid is a piss ant.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

He's pretty old...I also heard something about an airport.


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
And Don Young - the only reason he gets re-elected, sorry to say - is because of the native vote. And before you call me a racist - please remember my g/f is Athabaskan. Even she says the only reason Young has a job is because he garners the native vote here.

I think it's a combination of that and the fact that nobody ever really bothers to run against him. Congressman for All Alaskans my ass.

As for Benny Boy, hopefully he's pissed off enough people (remember Valley Trash?) in this state to where if he does get appointed, his sorry ass will get voted right back out. To be honest, I've never really seen Ted as the type of person to pull a Murkowski and appoint his own offspring to the United States Senate, but stranger things have happened. Hopefully he will step down at the end of one his terms and a proper election will be held.

My personal Ted Stevens story is that I once peed next to him at a urinal in the Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport It even got me up on the stage next to Mr. Whitekeys at the Fly By Night Club.

[Edited 2006-04-06 09:26:09]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 6):
I've never really seen Ted as the type of person to pull a Murkowski and appoint his own offspring to the United States Senate,

Well, technically, Ted couldn't appoint anyone - only the Governor could have done that . . . and not any longer since Alaskan's LEARNED from the Murkowski debacle . . . . now there must be a special election. But you can bet your ass the reason Benny Boy was sent to Juneau was to prep him for Daddy's chair in the big house in DC. It'll just be a little harder for him to get there.

What bothers me thje most is name recognition and some of our neighbors that aren't living and working in a major metro area or even one of our smaller cities/towns. If/when Ted dies, you can bet your ass Ben's name will appear on the ballot . . . folks won't know Ben from Ted - but they WILL know Stevens. . . and that's how the little pinhead will get elected.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 6):
It even got me up on the stage next to Mr. Whitekeys at the Fly By Night Club.

 rotfl 


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
What bothers me thje most is name recognition and some of our neighbors that aren't living and working in a major metro area or even one of our smaller cities/towns. If/when Ted dies, you can bet your ass Ben's name will appear on the ballot . . . folks won't know Ben from Ted - but they WILL know Stevens. . . and that's how the little pinhead will get elected.

Fortunately, since most of the population lives in Anchorage/Mat-Su, people know about him. Although granted he is from Anchorage, he doesn't have the best reputation around town. I'm with you; I hope to God he doesn't get elected to the Senate.

There are some up and coming political figures in this state that would be FAR better choices. Also I wouldn't be surprised at all if Slick Knowles throws his hat into the ring again.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Thanks so far for your posts. I have met the man a few times though I doubt he would remember me at all. But as a life long Alaskan I respect the man for what he gets done. He can make folks in DC tremble. I watched on gavel to gavel the other day and it was him conducting a hearing in some subcommittee I dont even remember. But he jumped on one of the witnesses or whatever you case big time. For something he really had no control over.
When in DC in 2004, I did a capital tour through Lisa's office(an old highschool girlfriend was working on her staff). We was outgoing Appropriations committee chair at the time, but when we got to see the committee chambers on top of the door frame as you left there was a road sign that said "Ted Stevens BLVD" I got a kick out of it and realised he has an ego bigger than the Yukon.
But I admire the work he has done and it will be sad to see him go when he does. I think he will pass away in office. Nepetism is abundant in this state, I wont be surprised when I see Ben's name on a ballot for Senator. ANC you are right, he is being groomed for that position, for him to be a fairly junior Senator, he is already the senate president, means something. I dont think he will see nearly as much success as the ole man does.
I wasnt alive yet, but there is the infamous and mysterious crash at ANC airport with him in a lear jet in 78 I believe. Ted walked away, I think his staffer did as well. His wife and the crew died in the crash and apparently it was signifigant, but he was married to the staff not long afterwards. My father think there is some great conspiracy behind it but im not convinved.
Lisa is doing alright so far, but its a bit early to tell. Don Young, pound for pound is fairly effective as the only congressional rep from AK.
Without Stevens though, rural Alaska would be stuck 50 years behind the rest of the country rather than a decade.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9):
For something he really had no control over.



Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9):
I got a kick out of it and realised he has an ego bigger than the Yukon.

Those two quotes sort of sum up what I think is wrong with how he is operating lately. Like I said, overall I respect and admire the man for everything he's done for the state, but in just the last couple of years, his power and prestige seem to have become more important that his job. The bridges debacle is a perfect example. Yeah, it was standard pork that all Senators try and bring home, but when it came to light, and considering the circumstances, especially in the state and the recent disasters, to fight it the way he did was embarrassing.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 10):
Yeah, it was standard pork that all Senators try and bring home, but when it came to light, and considering the circumstances, especially in the state and the recent disasters, to fight it the way he did was embarrassing.

Well the bridges to nowhere was a media spin that worked against Stevens. obviously the Knik crossing is a really valuable project. Anyone who drives the Glenn Highway knows about the Matvalley 350, its going to be a Busch series race next year I hear.
I havent seen what the Ketchikan bridge was all about, but to help foster the growth that is going on in those communities they are more than needed. I think he was right to get upset about money being stripped from only Alaska to Louisiana. I think rebuilding down there is critical as well but everyone not just AK needed to make those sacrafices. I give Kudos to Stevens for his threats, I am just thankful nobody called his bluff.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 11):
Well the bridges to nowhere was a media spin that worked against Stevens.

I was talking more his televised and reported temper tantrum on the floor of the Senate, but in both the Knik and Ketchikan bridges, the benefit wasn't to the population at large, but to specific land owners and developers. That being the case, why should the feds pay for the development? Again, I recognize that everyone does it, and thats part of why they are there. But once it came to light, he should have let it go.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
I was talking more his televised and reported temper tantrum on the floor of the Senate

So was I, and that was sparked because the Junior Senator from I believe Oklahoma wanted to eliminate those earmarks(only Alaskan earmarks) for the rebuilding of NOLA. His beef was that Alaska was being singled out to make a sacrafice. his tantrum worked more or less to plan. The direct approprations went away, but all states had to chip in for rebuilding. The money still went to AK but in the way of general highway funds.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
but in both the Knik and Ketchikan bridges, the benefit wasn't to the population at large, but to specific land owners and developers.

Like I said I dont know enough about the Ketchikan bridge to really comment. But the Mat-Su valley is erupting with population and the 4 lane road going there is long and crowded. My parents have a cabin near Talkeetna, on Sundays driving home from the weekend the road is packed with folks also coming back from the weekend and the weekday commute traffic is worse.
A 6 lane bridge from downtown ANC to downtown Wasilla lessens the trip to a third of what it is now and congestion will be less. The population the valley warrants the bridge as it is only going to continue to grow. As for land owners and developers making out like bandits, good for them. I wish my family would have bought land in Pt McKenzie 20 years ago.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
That being the case, why should the feds pay for the development?

Not for all of it, I think the state should chip in as well, and according to the Murkowski plan for the budget surplus a good amount is going into those bridge funds as well as the gasline. I recognize Alaska as somewhat of a problem to other senators who are bullied around by the Alaska delegation. But we need more federal dollars per capita. A huge state, with little infastructure, massive amounts of federal land. If it wasnt for DC helping out Alaska we would be even further behind the rest of the states.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3037 times:

Im quite sure if he is the president on the Subcomitee for Telecommunications which I like to watch on C-SPAN2. Theres alot of good arguing and facts about US Fiber Optic network, Voice over - IP talks and the such which intrigues me and Stevens has a short patience.

BTW, if its any state that needs Pork...its Alaska.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3036 times:

Every time I see that Knik Arm crossing, I wonder who owns the land on the other side . . . . because - there is simply nothing there. No infrastructure, no road network of consequence, nothing. Once a bridge is built a decent road network has to be built. As for commuting to Wasilla and the Mat Valley - if the bridge and roads are builts as designed - guess what: The commute time will be the same. And you'll wind up on the far side of Wasilla. The Knik crossing is a waste IMO.

As for the Ketchikan bridge. . . . the media did an injustice with that as a Bridge to No Where - to a place only 50 people live. They never mentioned the fact that the the bridge also goes to Ketchikan - and that KTN is on Gravina Island. Still, I don't like what that monstrosity will do to the scenery. A bridge over 200 feet in the air over Tongass Narrows!  rotfl  So much for Pristine SE Alaska . . . . welcome to Alaska's First City - and don't mind that bridge blocknig the view of the mountains . . .  sarcastic 

So I'm not in favor of either bridge. Both will be built I'm sure, but I can assure you I find less people that are for them than those who are against.

As for Ted's attitude . . . well, arrogance it is; ego it is . . . but he earned it. And he's effective. I guess since I'm an arrogant ass as well, I don't see a problem with using your position and ego to accomplish things on the job - tempered of course with humor and compassion - that's what Ted does. He really is a down home person when you talk to him. His kid, Benny, is a pinhead.

I remember the Lear Jet crash - I was not in town (was already plying the tank trade at Ft. Hood) but my Father told me about it. No conspiracy, just an accident.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 13):
But we need more federal dollars per capita. A huge state, with little infastructure, massive amounts of federal land. If it wasnt for DC helping out Alaska we would be even further behind the rest of the states.

I agree with you there - and I again, I really don't have problems with what Stevens has done for the state. You're much better versed on the Knik arm situation than I, and it sounds like there is more than I'd heard. My impression (admittadly garnered from the press and my past knowledge) was that while the money for the bridge was included, there wasn't really any connecting infrastructure being put in place, which woud basically benefit the exisiting land owners and developers but wouldn't actually do anything (at least in the short term) for the actual growth that you reference.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 16):
My impression (admittadly garnered from the press and my past knowledge) was that while the money for the bridge was included, there wasn't really any connecting infrastructure being put in place, which woud basically benefit the exisiting land owners and developers but wouldn't actually do anything (at least in the short term) for the actual growth that you reference.

Your impression is correct.

There are roads on the other side of Knik Arm - dirt roads and trails . .  laughing . No structured road system for miles. If you come in to land at ANC from the north, you'll fly right over Pt. McKenzie . . . you can see it for yourself.

But someone owns that land - and they will be the ones that profit (not that I care about that) when the State has to buy it to build roads and infrastructure.


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
There are roads on the other side of Knik Arm - dirt roads and trails . . . No structured road system for miles. If you come in to land at ANC from the north, you'll fly right over Pt. McKenzie . . . you can see it for yourself.

My understanding is that the bridge isnt so much for downtown Wasilla as it is for the Houston, Big Lake areas of growth. The recent construction to turn Wasilla into a freeway took care of that part of the valley. There would need to be some major infastructure built there but it would cut off lots of time for someone shooting up to Willow or on the way to Fairbanks. All Im saying is that it will be needed for the future. You cant get the Glen much wider, and it will allow those heading further north to bypass the stripmall Wasilla has become.


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3017 times:

I think the Knik bridge will get built eventually, but that now is not the time to do it. There are so many other road projects in the Anchorage metro area that are much more needed. For starters, the project to connect the Glenn and Seward Highways will be a HUGE undertaking. I actually feel that one those two freeways are connected, that will considerably help the overall congestion problem that Anchorage has. Let's face it--a city that only has 300,000 people in it should not have traffic this bad. Another biggie that is tied to the Glenn-Seward connection is widening the New Seward out to six lanes. That is desperately needed--as somebody who drives it everyday (until I move to Bootlegger Cove in two weeks Big grin ), I can attest to the current parking lot situation on that freeway in rush hour, especially if there's an accident.

Another issue that is being brought rapidly to the forefront is the safety of the Seward Highway going to Girdwood. As more and more people get killed by these drunks/meth addicts on that highway, public outcry is going to increase to find a solution. And quite frankly, the best solution is to divide it going to Girdwood. Yeah, some people say "well just lower the speed limit." While well intentioned, they need to pull their heads out of the sand. Alaskans have never, ever paid attention to any speed limit, ever.

The point of all that is that I feel there are more important things right now to spend that money on than a bridge over Knik Arm.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Alaskans have never, ever paid attention to any speed limit, ever.

God that made me think of this epic trip I made from FAI-ANC on the parks on a weekday afternoon. Saw 7 other cars between Big Lake and Nenana, total trip time, 4h 23m.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
total trip time, 4h 23m

 Wow! Wow! Wow!  faint  faint  faint 

I have always thought a connection between the Glenn and the Seward was desperately needed - right along the lower hillside. Break off at DeArmoun and connect at Muldoon. Extend Tudor, extend Abbott, extend Dowling, extend 77th (? I think it's 77th) to connect up to the lower hillside to the new highway. Sure would bypass all the bullshit in Anchorage.

This entire idea of a tunnel under Fairview sprouting out of the hillside over the rail yard is absolutely bizarre.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Another issue that is being brought rapidly to the forefront is the safety of the Seward Highway going to Girdwood

The answer: Reduce the speed limit to 45, increase police presence 200%. And be very strict about the tickets. Double or triple the fines from Anchorage to Portage . . . . strict enforcement is the only way to cure this. Do NOT 4 lane that road . . . it will destroy it's beauty and adventure . . .

Another option: Anchorage - Kenai ferry. Put the heavy trucks on the ferry. They're mostly going to Kenai, Soldotna and points south anyway. Ahhh, on second thought, screw the ferry. . . . . Rabid Robin Taylor would just move the damn thing to Wrangell anyway.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
God that made me think of this epic trip I made from FAI-ANC on the parks on a weekday afternoon. Saw 7 other cars between Big Lake and Nenana, total trip time, 4h 23m.

My land-speed record between Palmer and Fairbanks is 3 hours and 45 minutes


If you're wondering how I pulled that off, it was a combination of 3 things:
--Being 20 and stupid
--Filling up my car with gas in Palmer
--Not stopping, at all, for anything enroute. Went straight through.

I slowed down going through the towns, but in the wide open spaces in between I just cruised at a steady 85 to 90 mph.

[Edited 2006-04-07 04:33:42]


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
The answer: Reduce the speed limit to 45, increase police presence 200%. And be very strict about the tickets. Double or triple the fines from Anchorage to Portage . . . . strict enforcement is the only way to cure this. Do NOT 4 lane that road . . . it will destroy it's beauty and adventure . . .

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, ANC. While I DO agree that police presence needs to be beefed up on that road, most locals who commute between Girdwood and Anchorage, combined with residents traveling between Anchorage and the Kenai Peninsula, aren't going to like driving 45 mph for 50 miles. Some sort of compromise between local traffic and tourist traffic does need to be reached; a more immediate solution might be to add some more passing lanes between Anchorage and Indian. Giving people more chances to SAFELY pass slower moving cars and RV's, combined with increased police presence, would help to stem the tide of accidents.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

We have pull offs now, and decent passing lanes now. Problem is - people are too stupid to pull off . . . the passing lanes - as you know - start beyond Indian (southbound). It is untenable to put them on the winding sections between Potter and Indian. Wanna talk about accident waiting to happen - there it is.

We agree - something should be done about that road. What exactly - well, I'm no traffic planner, I just clean up the messes . . . .

Speaking of Highway $$$, how about paving the rest of the Dalton??? It is afterall providing the life blood of the state with it's supplies . . .

They've straightened some sections below Chandalar now, and that will be nice, but chip seal would surely be awesome.


25 Post contains links and images MattCLE : http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/Ted_Stevens.htm I don't really know much about him. Looking over his voting record I personally wouldn't vote for him
26 L-188 : Terrific, just what I need, that is what I miss about working grave shifts at ANC, getting on the Glenn at 7 AM kicking it up to 70 and waving to all
27 ANCFlyer : You don't live here, so I guess it's a moot point, eh?
28 Searpqx : It was bad when I lived there, I can imagine what its like now. But isn't that the point - the bridge, as originally apropriated wouldn't have done a
29 L-188 : No, it would have tied into Knik Goose Bay road. There is a fairly decent back road system on that side all the way to Houston
30 Searpqx : Gotcha - didn't realize it was that well developed back there already
31 L-188 : I wouldn't go and say it was downtown Fairview back there. But Hell there a people commuting from Willow now! There are a lot of gravel roads that ha
32 ANCFlyer : Subjective opinion there L-188 . . . there are roads, sure. None are what I would consider "well developed". And the network itself is a clusterfuck.
33 Post contains images Searpqx : Ok youse guys - get your stories straight! Actually it makes pretty good sense, and sound pretty familiar. I'm watching the debate in Juneau about a
34 L-188 : Completely subjective, but there is a world of difference in connecting two previously gravel roads into one paved one and as you noted if the develo
35 Chugach : I assume you mean the Parks, and not the Glenn. But that has been my other beef about the Knik bridge; provided that it's a multi-lane bridge (I hope
36 Bushpilot : Sounds good, but if I could have my dream it would be a locals only, gravel road up the Nushagak and connecting into the rest of my highway pipe drea
37 L-188 : Doh' Sad part is that I know better. But then again it has gotten so confused since they put the Glenn-Parks interchange in, which the Sierra Club vo
38 Post contains images Chugach : Chugach National Forest On a side note, extending the freeway all the way to Wasilla was a DAMN good idea. It's 10x easier to drive through there now
39 ANCFlyer : Quite true - but still, Point Mac is nothing but a collection of improved Goat Trails for now . . . . A decent, hopefully 4 lane, road from the end o
40 L-188 : Agreed I make the argument that the reason the state lacks that road network is because of the airplane. You look at someplace like North Dakota wher
41 Chugach : While I think that's a very valid point, they did the same thing in Seattle, and Seattle is in earthquake country, too. Don't forget they had a 6.Som
42 L-188 : What is the point? They are still talking about a 2 lane one with a "Change" lane that will vary direction depending on time of day. I would think tw
43 Bushpilot : Does anyone know that school kids in South Naknek take a Piper Cherokee to school every day? Little bit of trivia there for ya. Less than 10 kids mak
44 Chugach : If that's the case, then whoever dreamed that up needs to be banned from this state along with the numbnuts that designed the Dowling roundabout.
45 Post contains images MattCLE : Yep, but just answering the original question. BTW...ever visited Eielson AFB? I'm going there in June. -Matt
46 Chugach : It's a nice base. Just visiting?
47 ANCFlyer : They'll have to 4 lane it eventually - especially with the growth in housing they expect. Why short sheet themselves from the start . . . just build
48 Post contains images Chugach : If they actually build this thing, they damn well better get it right the first time. Building a two-lane bridge across Knik Arm would be a complete
49 L-188 : Now that was a typo!!! But at least then you would be able to take the current highway, so you have an option, which we don't have now. Piece of Euro
50 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yes it is. I don't know the traffic count - but I do know the traffic at Dowling/New Seward is a lot less than it used to be as people are afraid of
51 L-188 : I suspect that most people will just go through Dimond making the intersection at Old Seward worse. If you comming off southside headed to the airpor
52 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I generally avoid that section of Dimond altogether . . . . if I have a need to get to South Old Seward I'd rather run west to Minnesota and take it
53 L-188 : I don't remember that...I do remember the grade crossing at King Street.
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