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A Sad Day For BMW And Its Fans  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Today, my friend and I wanted to try something that we had wanted to try for a long time. We wanted to see which one would be the fastest: The Mercedes S 3.0 or the BMW 5 2.8i.
So we got to try them on a long straight road, and we lined the cars up side by side. We made a kickdown and both the cars accelerated. All the way up to 100 km/h it was pretty much a tie, although the Mercedes was maybe like 40 cm ahead, but at 100 and above, the Mercedes that I was driving in left the BMW behind, and won by many cars' lengths.

I should add that the Mercedes S weights a little over 2 tons, while the bmw weights about 1700 kgs, and that My engine wasn't warmed up unlike the BMW. To be honest, I had expected the BMW to be slightly faster, because BMW is usually more sporty than Mercedes, but as I said, the Mercedes won, and we tried racing against each other 4 times, and each time, the result was the same..

vs

Myt332 where are you?  Wink

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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

so?

Class is not about raw speed, nor is it about snobbishness (at which point Mercedes has always won by a looooong stretch).

I must admit the current BMW lineup doesn't do anything for me (except maybe the 118d), they've lost their style since the new chief designer took office a few years ago.
But what BMW lost Mercedes never had in the first place: subdued class, pragmatism.

A BMW is a statement: I've a good car and I don't want to flaunt its price.
A Merc is also a statement: I've an expensive car and I want everyone to know it.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):

Class is not about raw speed, nor is it about snobbishness (at which point Mercedes has always won by a looooong stretch).

LOL! that completely depends on who you ask.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
they've lost their style since the new chief designer took office a few years ago.

I agree with you on this one

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
A BMW is a statement: I've a good car and I don't want to flaunt its price.
A Merc is also a statement: I've an expensive car and I want everyone to know it.

Again, that is not necessarily true. You buy a Mercedes because it's well built. It lasts for many years, and my father's car is 14 years old now.. There is nothing wrong with it. BMW is for flashy people who want to show how cool they are if you ask me.


User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

OK...so you beat your buddy in a drag race and all of a sudden it's a somber day for BMW fans worldwide?

First of all lets get straight what we're comparing. You have an 300 S? What year is it? How many kms does it have? I wasn't aware that there was a standard 3.0 litre V6 offered on that generation S-Class, maybe in the beginning years, the later offerings were the 2.8 V6 that Princess Di died in and the 3.2 litre V6. I thought the only 300 was the TD though I could be mistaken.

Next your friend has a 528, its probably not an AC Schnitzer model like the one in the photo, is it manual or auto, etc etc.

I would have thought the opposite than what you suggested for after 100kmh, all of a sudden at 100km you pulled way ahead of him by several car lenghts and are roads in Denmark really conducive to this kind of activity (you did it together four times)?

Anyway just because the S-class outran the 528 doesn't mean that its sportier, there's more to sportiness than acceleration. An F-150 can probably beat a Mini Cooper to 60mph does that mean that its sportier? I'm assuming you didn't test the two cars through the slalom either.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3110 times:
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When I read this pissing contest thread I had a good idea of the age group before looking.... yawn, so what.


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 4):
When I read this pissing contest thread I had a good idea of the age group before looking.... yawn, so what.

LOL well we have all been young once, haven't we? Big grin


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 3):
You have an 300 S? What year is it? How many kms does it have? I wasn't aware that there was a standard 3.0 litre V6 offered on that generation S-Class

hey.. its from 1992, it has driven 209.000 km and no it isn't called a 3.0 but a 3.2, but in reality it is a 3.0SE, or so my father told me..

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 3):
Next your friend has a 528, its probably not an AC Schnitzer model like the one in the photo, is it manual or auto, etc etc.

I would have thought the opposite than what you suggested for after 100kmh, all of a sudden at 100km you pulled way ahead of him by several car lenghts and are roads in Denmark really conducive to this kind of activity (you did it together four times)?

Anyway just because the S-class outran the 528 doesn't mean that its sportier, there's more to sportiness than acceleration. An F-150 can probably beat a Mini Cooper to 60mph does that mean that its sportier? I'm assuming you didn't test the two cars through the slalom either.

Both the cars had automatic gearboxes, but the bmw has something inbetween actually.. you are able to shift gears in manually aswell. As for the roads, no there are not many places in denmark where this is possible, but around 2 km from where I live, there is a 2km long stretch along the sea with 2 lanes in each direction and very few cars at this time of the week, so at 140km/h we had to brake and turn around.

As for the thread title: don't take it too seriously. It is indeed to piss off certain people  Smile

[Edited 2006-04-08 20:58:51]

User currently offlineBA747YYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Try an M5 or a 545i, or a 530i, what you were driving might as well be a 320i!

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting BA747YYZ (Reply 7):
Try an M5 or a 545i, or a 530i, what you were driving might as well be a 320i!

Well then try a Kleemann (danish tuning company) E-class.. 0-100 km/h in 4 seconds, tops at over 330km/h


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Your friend must have felt sorry for you. Couldn't afford any bacon this week?


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
We made a kickdown and both the cars accelerated.

A BMW with an automatic... that's criminal.

Between Mercedes and BMW lately there's been a crazy horsepower war. They both have several road cars with more than 500 horses. Hard to imagine how you can use that kind of power on the road.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 9):
Your friend must have felt sorry for you. Couldn't afford any bacon this week?


LOL oh there you are... I would have expected a little more from you afterall!

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 10):
A BMW with an automatic... that's criminal.

Between Mercedes and BMW lately there's been a crazy horsepower war. They both have several road cars with more than 500 horses. Hard to imagine how you can use that kind of power on the road.

True! I can't imagine having to control all of those horsepowers.. I got the chance to testdrive a Porsche Cayenne S with 340hp two weeks ago and I must say that that car was fast enough for me.

[Edited 2006-04-08 21:23:43]

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3394 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Wow, I am so sick of these wars started by AirPacific of Mercedes versus other car makers. I'm not really sure this proves anything, compaing the acceleration of 2 totally different cars with almost 40hp difference, why even bother mentioning this?

For me, BMW builds the better car reagrdless of what your meaningless tests says. They actually build cars with manual gearboxes, and ones that don't rank at the very bottom of the relalibility studies. BMW also (at least in the US) has the highest residual value of any luxury car, to me, thats also very important.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 12):
Wow, I am so sick of these wars started by AirPacific of Mercedes versus other car makers. I'm not really sure this proves anything, compaing the acceleration of 2 totally different cars with almost 40hp difference, why even bother mentioning this?

Read above, and you'll find an answer. Also, how many wars did I start? As far as I am aware of this is the first one that I start.. I have just participated in the other ones..

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 12):

For me, BMW builds the better car reagrdless of what your meaningless tests says. They actually build cars with manual gearboxes, and ones that don't rank at the very bottom of the relalibility studies. BMW also (at least in the US) has the highest residual value of any luxury car, to me, thats also very important.

Oh really? I thought that Lexus was no. 1 in the States.. also I just read a review of a couple of different SUV's and the Mercedes M-class came in as a second after the Audi Q7 with both the BMW and the Lexus at the lower end of the scale.. source: Autobild.. some german car magazine

[Edited 2006-04-08 21:31:48]

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

100+ mph speeds will nearly always get you one of two things..........

A ticket, .......... or killed.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 11):
oh there you are... I would have expected a little more from you afterall!

Well it's a meaningless thread thus a meaningless post!

Also, you should have said something like, "yea stick to your BMW's, at least you won't spill you tea that way!"

You're slipping my lean crispy friend!



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 15):
Well it's a meaningless thread thus a meaningless post!

Also, you should have said something like, "yea stick to your BMW's, at least you won't spill you tea that way!"

You're slipping my lean crispy friend!

lol Big grin true.. how could I forget to include a comment like that. Well it might be meaningless, but I still think it is an interesting result because I wouldn't have expected it.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 14):
100+ mph speeds will nearly always get you one of two things..........

A ticket, .......... or killed.

true, but I am talking about km/h, not mp/h, but beside that you're right

[Edited 2006-04-08 21:38:02]

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 14):
100+ mph speeds will nearly always get you one of two things..........

A ticket, .......... or killed.

Actually that's wrong.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
it is an interesting result because I wouldn't have expected it.

Well show's you know deep down BMW are better!



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 18):
Well show's you know deep down BMW are better!

lol nice try! I knew it was coming Big grin yes, in this contest I would have guessed that the bmw would be faster, but it wasn't.. but if it had been an E-class against a 5-series, I would still think that the e-class would be the fastest one.. idk though


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Look, we have busses here that are mercs. Nuff' said, we use them for public transport. Lame.


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 20):
Look, we have busses here that are mercs. Nuff' said, we use them for public transport. Lame.

hahaha! Big grin They are the best busses out there though  Wink Also, that just shows how good Mercede's engineers are. They know how to build trucks, busses, vans and cars all of very high quality


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 21):
They are the best busses out there though

You batty boy.



Oh and look, it's you!



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2388 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 22):
You batty boy.

oh I'm sure you wanted to post a picture of this bus, but acidentally picked the wrong link  Wink


Quoting Myt332 (Reply 22):

Oh and look, it's you!

so? Big grin


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 23):
oh I'm sure you wanted to post a picture of this bus

It's pink.  confused 



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25 Post contains images AirPacific747 : not exactly.. darker than pink.. dont know what color it is though.. Still a nice bus though
26 Myt332 : Ok, it's dark pink. Please, nobody say it's salmon.
27 Post contains images AirPacific747 : folks, this is an example of how you can move focus from the original topic to something that has nothing to do with anything in a discreet way.
28 Myt332 : Oh be quiet, your thread was shit anyway! Bet you Trout is faster than Salmon though!
29 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Oh I am sure that this had been the thread of the year for you if the result had been the other way around
30 Post contains links Flight152 : Oh really? I thought that Lexus was no. 1 in the States.. also I just read a review of a couple of different SUV's and the Mercedes M-class came in as
31 AirPacific747 : " target=_blank>http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...DATE= well good for you! and yes, in Denmark, the Audi Q7 came out about a week ago or so. Agai
32 AA777 : the .2 liters of displacement will make a difference at the top end. I doubt either of these cars are terribly fast... but, I WILL guarantee you, take
33 AirPacific747 : First of all, I think both cars did 0-100 km/h at around 8 seconds.. dont know if thats fast or not.. depends on who you are. I am sure the 5 series
34 Post contains images 2H4 : I think Andz will agree...if you want a BMW, get a real BMW: 2H4
35 Post contains images AirPacific747 : hey I agree with you two guys then Their motorcycles are cool, not their cars.
36 Post contains images Captaingomes : While illegal in North America, I've never been killed while passing through 100 mph. Next time I pass 100 mph I hope I don't just suddenly die! When
37 Cfalk : If you drive like americans on american cars, you're right! That's the worst thing about american roads - the other drivers, with no lane discipline.
38 N1120A : It wasn't a V6, it was an Inline 6. The 2.6 was also an Inline. Not in Germany
39 StudentFlyer : Well.. Mercs usually plays with the torque, with it being available at most rev range, while BMW usually plays it at lower end (for acceleration), whi
40 AirPacific747 : All of this is also the impression that I got, but the Mercedes S isn't built to drive like a sportscar anyway, but to drive like a limousine. I am s
41 StudentFlyer : Yes, IIRC, it was around 218hp for a 3.2L W140 - (how many cars acheive their stated horsepowers anyway if you do a dyno test...). I believe you were
42 Post contains images AirPacific747 : yes, thats exactly the car, that I was driving in the old M-class is rubbish btw.. the new one is much better, and I am saying this as a Mercedes fan
43 StudentFlyer : Sorry, forgot to mention, both were 2001 built.. And yes, I agree, the new one looks great, both inside out!
44 Post contains images Andz : I do agree, although I am currently driving my third 3 series, but this is my next one if things work out.....
45 Post contains images Lamedianaranja : Well, I just went on a 200 kilometer trip (as a passenger) in a brandnew BMW750i and it was very very comfortable and relaxing!! I haven't sat in a Me
46 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : I think it is sad that on the basis of a couple of spur of the moment tests that you have come to the conclusion it is a sad day for BMW owners. IMO e
47 Pilotsmoe : You're probably the same type of person that loves hogging the left lane with your SUV while driving 55, because you have a small penis
48 S12PPL : BMW's new 5's would stomp anything Mercedes puts on the road. The new M5 and M6 are 500, and 507 HP respectively. BMW can more than hold it's own.
49 Post contains images StudentFlyer : No, both of them are identical at 507 hp and 520 Nm torque from the 4999 cm³ Agree! Nothing beats the 7 series I have to say! Having driven the E66
50 Post contains links AirPacific747 : I love driving in my fathers' car aswell! It's the best car I have ever driven, and yes, it is tempting sometimes to floor it, but the suspension is
51 Kevinl1011 : All of that horsepower is useless when you have a traction control system that holds the throttle back. Now there is a new radar system that won't let
52 Sv7887 : It depends how you look at it. BMW at least in the USA is in the middle of the pack in reliability. However, no one can dispute their performance adv
53 Post contains images MrChips : The only sad day for BMW fans is the day that they roll out of bed and think, "My god, why am I a BMW fan??? WHERE DID I GO WRONG???"
54 Post contains links Flight152 : Going back to my experience in my dad's 4.4L X5, and comparing it with an ML320 of a friend's, I do notice the frugal acceleration in the X5, but at h
55 S12PPL : They aren't the same HP...really.....The M5 is 500. The M6 is 507. Otherwise...what would be the point of buying an M6? Both are 4 doors...They'd be
56 Captaingomes : Nooooo. First of all, if the only differentiating factor between two cars is 7hp, trust me, nobody is going to pay lots more for 7hp. You wont notice
57 StudentFlyer : @ S12PPL, as Captaingomes said, they are two completely different car playing in different segments. BMW, unlike Merc, don't usually tune their ident
58 Post contains images Aerorobnz : Of course not, it's dusky apricot....
59 LOT767-300ER : Your sense of driving and speed can be summed up in one word: American. Its not just on roads...thats the bad news.
60 AirPacific747 : True! Although some SUV's can use a little extra horsepowers. I got to try both the Cayenne and the Cayenne S, and I gotta say that the 3.2 liters en
61 Post contains links AirPacific747 : "The S600 can be optimized with a stage II upgrade kit making the twin turbo engine capable of delivering 627 Hp and 1.043 Nm (772 lb-ft). Capable of
62 Dazultra : err, no tyres made for this kind of speed?? what about supercars that can hit speeds of 400kph i.e. Bugatti Veyron I think you will find that if the
63 AirPacific747 : err, the Veyron is much lighter? It doesn't weigh nearly 2 tons? I don't think so... max. 300 kph, and if you removed the restrictor from the Kleeman
64 Gordonsmall : That's not quite true! The M5 has the theoretical ability to reach 207 MPH based on it's wheel/tyre diameter, gear ratios and engine rev limit. Howev
65 Post contains links Dazultra : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3820713808922603488 That's an M6 hitting nearly 340kph, same engine/gearbox setup as the M5, yes its lighter
66 Post contains images Gordonsmall : The M6 also has a much more favourable drag-coefficent - the M5 on the other hand is more of a brick with spoilers on it!
67 Post contains images Dazultra : ..which makes a standard 5 a brick.. Alex won't like the sound of that
68 Post contains images Gordonsmall : Alex knows jack-shit about cars, especially fast cars, he's better off sticking to being a posh-lad from Liverpool!
69 AirPacific747 : sorry I don't hear them saying 340 kp/h, also how do you know this car has not been tuned? There is no evidence. Sorry I don't believe you. And again
70 Dazultra : Well the speedo goes to 330kph and its beginning to go off the scale.. the M6 weights about 1700kg, that would make your E class 2200kg?? What a fat
71 AirPacific747 : It's too blurry to see, and again, you are not able to prove that the car is not tuned. well I am sure it weighs atleast 2000 kg due to the engine, m
72 StudentFlyer : You do realize the standard speedo in an M5/M6 tops at 330km/h, and if you look carefully in the video, the needle actually exceeds the top. This, is
73 AirPacific747 : again, that is not a proof that the car hasn't been tuned. Car manufacturers often make the dashboard show up to 30 km/h more than the car is actuall
74 StudentFlyer : Agree with you here, but look at the speedo needle!!! don't just stare at the speed milestones on it, check the needle! (And I'm not referring to the
75 AirPacific747 : Well I agree with you too! I can see that the needle is above of what it says on the dashboard, but don't you think that M6 has been modified?
76 StudentFlyer : In that case, I doubt that it's stock.. although if you talk about an M3 CSL, if you have a racing licence, you can actually take off the limiter, an
77 AirPacific747 : I guess so.. the M6 is also the BMW that I like the most of the current models that are out there
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