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Mormonism: How Much Do You Know About It?  
User currently offlineIamcanadian From Canada, joined May 2001, 734 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

I am a lifetime Christian that grew up in a Christian home, goes to church regularly, and I continue to deepen my faith. I recently stopped by Salt Lake City, Utah, and paid a visit to the Mormon Temple.

As many of you who have been there know, they offer a guided tour of the facility, and introduce you to their Mormon beliefs. I took this tour with an unbiased and open mind, already familiar with many of the Mormon beliefs and practices.

What I found intriguing about this tour was how vaguely they outlined the Mormon religion. The information they did explain was basically taken straight out of the Bible, not really elaborating on many of their ideas of who Jesus was, and what happens after we die. If I wasn't already a Christian, and didn't have an understanding of the Mormon religion, I probably would have been more interested in joining the Mormon community based on the ideas of Christianity they gave.

I was just curious as to whether or not the A.Net Mormons (If there are any out there???) know any deeper information about the Mormon religion, and if they could indulge me in what they do know...

Regards,

Mike


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Mormons are the ones who are right and will get into heaven, everyone else goes to hell.

Other than that, I'm going to stay well clear of this thread as any discussion of Joseph Smith will bring up some heated charges.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
What I found intriguing about this tour was how vaguely they outlined the Mormon religion.

I've had six formal visits with missionaries, and that is always how they start out. They don't tell you the weirder stuff until you seem committed. I reckon they don't want to scare people off. I'm interested to see the Salt Lake Temple myself. We're going there in July, and I hope the tabernacle will be open again by then.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):
Mormons are the ones who are right and will get into heaven

Gotta have a temple recommend for the best degree of heaven!


User currently offlineIamcanadian From Canada, joined May 2001, 734 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):
Mormons are the ones who are right and will get into heaven, everyone else goes to hell.

What proof does this claim have? In my opinion, seeing as they use both the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon, and COUNTLESS articles in the Book of Mormon contradict the Bible, what makes it right?



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

I know how to wear a necktie and how to ride a bicycle.
I like Jell-O

that's about it.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 3):
What proof does this claim have?

Matt and Trey told me so.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

I'm actually about to go to Institute in 15 minutes. I normally never go, because it's usually boring, but tonight sounded like it might be good.

User currently offlineIamcanadian From Canada, joined May 2001, 734 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
I know how to wear a necktie and how to ride a bicycle.
I like Jell-O

Hey! Me too! Maybe Christianity and Mormonism really ARE the same!... Wink



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

I know of a copy of the Book of Mormon that I grabbed from a Provo Utah hotel room that made into my birthday party bonfire, but thats all I know.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

I've tricked with 4 Mormons. All hot, strapping, athletic fellows. Mormon boys are horny as hell.

The memories of my first Mormon stay with me. I have to say I was dissappointed that he didn't have on his Mormon underwear, but in the course of 4 days of "dating" (on a ski trip out West), he modelled them for me once as a lark. Sort of like a union suit in rather drab colors, but he looked smashing in them and out of them. Big grin

I learned that Gladys Knight and the Pips are Mormons. Now that blew me away.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Aah, jeez guys, I hope those Mormons dont put a hit team on your asses for insulting their religion.  sarcastic 

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
I like Jell-O

The Mormons I know grew up eating lime Jell-O in a decorative mold with hot dogs in it.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
Mormon boys are horny as hell.

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User currently offlineFutureSDPDcop From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

I hear most mormons are hung like horses. Maybe that is just a rumor however.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting FutureSDPDcop (Reply 12):
I hear most mormons are hung like horses. Maybe that is just a rumor however.

The ones I met did pretty well in that department.

I'm sure there are exceptions though. Like Orrin Hatch.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Suggested reading:
Under the Banner of Faith: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer
Leaving the Saints: How I Lost the Mormons and Found my Faith by Martha Beck

Living in an area controlled poltically by Mormons I would like to point out a few things. 1. They are not the friendly people as seen on their ads. 2. If you're not a mormon, forget being friends. 3. Women are treated as second class citizens. 4. Sexual abuse - Father raping, molesting daughters is rampant in the Mormon faith. 5. They believe the good mormons will arise from the dead (i.e the caskets will come out of the ground, open up and they will walk out as if nothing as happen). 6. The religion was started by Joseph Smith a con man. 7. In order of importance is the Book of Mormon, D& C's (rulings from SLC) and then the Bible. (Most mormons are ill equipped to speak at length as to what is in the Bible.)

Quoting Iamcanadian (Reply 7):
Maybe Christianity and Mormonism really ARE the same!...

Most churchs do not accept Mormonism as a faith.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Living in an area controlled poltically by Mormons I would like to point out a few things. 1. They are not the friendly people as seen on their ads. 2. If you're not a mormon, forget being friends.

Aren't you generalizing here? I have worked with and for 2 Mormons, and while they don't live in an area controlled politically by Mormons (they both live in tolerant and liberal Montgomery County, MD), they are practicing Mormons who are friendly, inspiring and jovial. Both have been excellent mentors to those who worked for them.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 2):
They don't tell you the weirder stuff until you seem committed.

Coming from an agnostic perspective, the "weird" stuff in Mormonism isn't any weirder than what other organized religions believe (talking snakes, two of every animal on one boat, creationism, etc.).

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
I've tricked with 4 Mormons. All hot, strapping, athletic fellows. Mormon boys are horny as hell.

In my experience, this is absolutely true. I had several Mormon friends in jr. high/high school, and they talked frequently about how "crazy" they were going to go once they got married. I also know at least two who totally duffed the "waiting for marriage" thing to some extent, but since I think pre-marital sex is awesome, I've got no issue with that...

[Edited 2006-04-12 03:21:00]


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

The reason the Mormons were so vague about their practices, and why you could not enter the Temple, is because... they do that on purpose.

The Mormon religion is very closed and secretive. Most of the Mormon sacraments are very similar to Masonic rituals, probably because Joseph Smith, Jr., was a Mason. Mormon priests (just about any man over the age of 16, and many women) are sworn to secrecy under expectation of suicide if they divulge temple secrets and rituals, just as are Masons.

Although on the exterior Mormonism appears to be Christianity, the religion claims that it is the restoration of the Church and now relies more on the Book of Mormon than its own founder intended. Joseph Smith, Jr., said that if the Book of Mormon and the King James Bible disagreed, the Bible should take precedence. Now Mormons rely on the prophecy of their First Presidency as well as historical interpretations of scholars predominantly employed by Brigham Young University. In addition, Mormons strive to live good lives and to perfect themselves so that they can become like God - or even become a god - and rule their own celestial kingdoms. They rely more on personal experience and upbringing than on faith in Christ as a savior.

Here are some books I have read to learn this information (linked to Amazon.com):
Complete Idiot's guide to understanding Mormonism (written by a Mormon scholar who is still in the church)
Leaving the Saints by Martha Beck, a woman who left the church after living in it most of her life, who discovered that her father (a pillar of the Mormon church) had molested her with her mother's knowledge.


Websites:
http://www.mrm.org/ Mormonism Research Ministry, an evangelical Christian site
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/masonicsymbolsandtheldstemple.htm this website compares masonic symbols with LDS temple symbols


Edit: I see that AirCop already recommended Leaving the Saints... Sorry I hadn't seen that before. It is truly eye-opening!

[Edited 2006-04-12 03:55:08]


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 17):
sworn to secrecy under expectation of suicide if they divulge temple secrets and rituals, just as are Masons.

You've got some wierd masons in your parts...


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 17):
sworn to secrecy under expectation of suicide if they divulge temple secrets and rituals, just as are Masons.

I am a Mason and have never been required to swear to secrecy under the expectation of suicide.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

All the LDS I've ever met have been good people who live sober industrious lives, raise their families and try to get along as best they can in the world. They've had me in their homes, fed me and we helped each other out all the way through graduate school.

Kinda like you and me I guess.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4223 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 16):
In my experience, this is absolutely true. I had several Mormon friends in jr. high/high school, and they talked frequently about how "crazy" they were going to go once they got married. I also know at least two who totally duffed the "waiting for marriage" thing to some extent, but since I think pre-marital sex is awesome, I've got no issue with that...

True but what even more troubling is how hypocritical they can be. The teens are wild and crazy, but claim to be just like Jesus - really annoying. They thing because they're Mormon, they're given carte blanche to be bad cause all they have to do is say they are Mormon and everyone will think they really arent' like that.

Another thing is how they identify themselves so closely with Jesus and Christianity - yet ignore the one trait Jesus held above all. The number 1 trait Jesus was about was shunning the rich and being friendly with the poor and those who were in most need. Who do the Mormons go after? Rich white people. Don't believe me, take a drive around Las Vegas. Drive around Seven Hills, Green Valley, Snobberlin, all the new, rich, white suburban areas, and you'll find more Mormon churches than gas stations. Drive around Charleston, the NE side, old North Las Vegas, actually, anywhere east of US 95 between Sunset and Bonaza, and you won't find one church (except for the big ugly temple at the base of Sunrise Mtn). Mormons only want rich white folks to join their church, cause poor minorites won't make any money for them. One of the most racists religions in our world today.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 21):

Who do the Mormons go after? Rich white people. Don't believe me, take a drive around Las Vegas...One of the most racists religions in our world today.

That must be why they send so many missionaries to non-white countries in their prolific conversion efforts. I know that the LDS church has a history of racism (I believe they finally decided that blacks can go to heaven at some point in the 1970s), but I really doubt that any racism in the church today is based off Mormonism itself...I'm sure there are probably just as many (if not more) racists in many Christian denominations.

Also, as you may or may not know, Las Vegas was founded by Mormons, and from what I hear, they maintain a strong missionary presence there. Their abundance there shouldn't come as much of a surprise.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 22):
Las Vegas was founded by Mormons

Well, they built a fort there to convert the native population, but after little success, and the fort being raided constantly, it was abandoned after 2 years. The railroad is what made Las Vegas, independent of the short-lived Mormon outpost.

http://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/FactsStatistics/history.htm



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 18):
You've got some wierd masons in your parts...



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19):
I am a Mason and have never been required to swear to secrecy under the expectation of suicide.

Perhaps that's been removed from the ritual. I guess it was too controversial... I have read this in more than one source (none of which I can recall at the moment, but if you wish I will try to backtrack to them.)



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25 Post contains links and images Gunsontheroof : It's not Salt Lake City by any means (that probably goes without saying), but the percentage of Mormons in Vegas is still markedly higher than in oth
26 Post contains images AeroWesty : The Jello Belt. I've also heard SLC has the highest per capita consumption of Spaghetti-O's. Some combination! Going back two generations before mine
27 HPLASOps : My dad was born and raised here - he was baptized a Mormon, but to this day, the only reason he did it was because they were the only sports faciliti
28 Post contains images Lentigomaligna : I'm a mormon...technically. I grew up in the church but never believed in the doctrine, and made this known to my family about 2 years ago (the expect
29 Post contains images Lentigomaligna : Being from Utah, can't believe I've never heard that one
30 Gunsontheroof : Interesting! I actually played on a LDS church basketball team for awhile simply because (as stated before in this thread) I had a lot of Mormon frie
31 Redngold : And that, I argue, is why LDS is not Christian. Christ welcomed everyone and never kept anything secret. He threw open the doors to heaven and to the
32 Gunsontheroof : I think the fact that they believe in more than one god exempts them from most (if not all) definitions of Christianity.
33 Lentigomaligna : I think the argument as to whether or not the LDS church is Christian is moot, it all depends on your definition of what "Christianity" is, whether a
34 HPLASOps : Plus the fact that Joe Smith is deified the same way Jesus is - that complete contradicts John 3:16 - "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one
35 AeroWesty : That's not John 3:16
36 Gunsontheroof : Correct. I'm pretty sure it's Austin 3:16. (Jr. High flashback anyone?)
37 Post contains links HPLASOps : My apologies, I just looked it up on www.bible.com to correct myself: John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] t
38 HPLASOps : Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass
39 AeroWesty : With Jell-O or Spaghetti-O's?
40 Johnboy : I have an aunt who live in Mesa, Arizona (which has a high population of Mormons). She has told me that the Mormons in her neighborhood are nice to a
41 HPLASOps : As the Rock would say "It doesn't matter wha tI whooped your ass with!" Sorry, I thought you were in the mood to trade late 90's wrestling lines.
42 Dougloid : Hmmmmmmmmm. I went to a Russian Orthodox mass at a monastery one time a few months ago. There was a lot of stuff going on behind the barrier that the
43 QANTASforever : Hmm. I'm starting to see a pattern emerging. QFF
44 Racko : Just about as much as I learned during the Southpark episode about Mormons.
45 Lentigomaligna : Realize also, mormons weren't always the helpless victims of persecution their history says they were either.
46 Post contains images Dougloid : Jeez, I HOPE not LOL. I've got enough problems.
47 SlamClick : This has been an interesting thread. I know a bit more about LDS than I mentioned all the way back up in Reply #4 but my knowledge is that of a gentil
48 HPLASOps : The Church of England doesn't get involved in affecting peoples' lives the way the Mormon church does. The Mormon church wants to know every little d
49 Lentigomaligna : You really have to be part of it and leave to understand what it's like. I don't associate with the ex-mormon people because I don't want to be consi
50 Post contains images CastleIsland : Enough to know that if I converted, I could finally drag my second and third wife up from that freezer in the basement.
51 Redngold : You respected the barrier; I'm sure nobody told you that you weren't allowed to see it.
52 Post contains images FlightShadow : Wow. Funny stuff in this thread, I've lived in the SLC area for almost 8 years now and I've never heard of the "Jello Belt" But it is a phrase I think
53 MD-90 : I only went because "secret combinations" were on the agenda to be discussed. I've read the BOM up to Alma, and frankly, I find it to be monumentally
54 Acjflyer : Just like anything else if you want to know what its all about go to the source. If you want to learn about being a pilot don't ask a Mcdonalds employ
55 Post contains links and images Superfly : Hey, I am a mormon! Well at least, least two Halloweens ago I was.
56 Post contains images Acjflyer : Hey at least we're noticable!
57 Post contains images FlightShadow : Probably not the best source of information... LOL. Love the nametag It was a 4h convention-thingy. And no I don't raise cows or pigs or horses...
58 Jetflyer : Aren't mormons the idiots who recon that masturbation is "onanism" because that is what onan was punished for, when he was actually punished for disob
59 SlamClick : Okay quick guide: Comparative: Jews don't recognize Jesus Christ as the messiah. Protestants don't recognize the pope as the head of the Christian fai
60 Post contains links Acjflyer : Once again don't let assumption take the mickey out of you. Whats stated above is not the church doctrine. Masturbation falls under the law of chasti
61 Post contains images Dougloid : I really think you've been spending too much time alone. I gotta say....many's the silly statement I have seen here, some of my own included, but thi
62 Post contains images Lentigomaligna : I don't have a problem with having a doctrine, but I do have a problem with covering it up. Dude, the temple ceremony is MUCH different than sacramen
63 HPLASOps : Actually, taking both of those sources in together will yield the truth.
64 Acjflyer : Good point and I agree with you 100 percent. Being a convert to the church and not being a mormon my whole life and growing up in the Seattle suburbs
65 Lhrmaccoll : Frankly I find it hard to accept a religion invented by some crackpot who claimed he found scribes in his garden, which mysteriously got taken away ag
66 Post contains images FlightShadow : hey man, you're entitled to your own opinion... However, I know he's not a 'crackpot'
67 AirCop : Right, 13-15 year old kids know all. Get out and explore the world.
68 Copaair737 : Yeah, sure they are. How's come when the church is predominantely non-white, the people who control it are all old, white guys? Oh, and not letting B
69 FlightShadow : First off, if the church were racist, if would not pe predominantly non-white. Second, do you call the US Government racist? 40+ presidents, all whit
70 Kevinl1011 : I just wanna know who the Former Day Saints are. Wasn't the first Mormon Church erected outside of Cleveland?
71 Dougloid : Alex, your acceptance or nonacceptance of someone else's religion is valueless. Nobody gives a rat's ass. And religion does not hang on your approval
72 Acjflyer : You sir are what I consider an educated man. Thank you for stating things as they are. I suppose what gets to me a bit is being a convert to the morm
73 SlamClick : I am not a Mormon or any other organized anything but I cannot let this go by without comment. Yeah, and so did I attending a Catholic event in a smal
74 Acjflyer : Slamclick I now understand why your respected rating is 65. I'm honored to add you to my RU list to move that rating up. Thank you for such an educate
75 Post contains images Copaair737 : Yes, as a matter of fact, I did. It read out like a comic book to me. Lots of action. Its not racism. I'm not sure how I can be racist against white
76 Acjflyer : I understand where you are going with that remark. From the outside looking in it makes sense and I appreciate that you ask it. If you study a bit mo
77 Copaair737 : I appreciate the civil response ACJFlyer. Better than the one I got from SlamClick. lol. Well, I just have to think that it is more than coincidence
78 Post contains links Acjflyer : It's my pleasure. After living in Spain for a while in the Fuengirols area with a mix of all the european countries I felt after receiving cordial tr
79 MD-90 : Perhaps large families are a cause, especially when parents are young and have difficulty supporting multiple children? The family down the street fr
80 Acjflyer : Thats true in some cases although not all of them. For some reason some families feel like they need to have a lot of children even when that is not
81 SlamClick : Consider the total context. The poster is Copaair737. Copa is an airline that started in Panama, a nation of mixed ethnicity but primarily native Ame
82 Copaair737 : Hey, guess what, I have black hair. The majority of my blood is Sicilian, and I have some White Colombian in me. (I guess you could call it pure Span
83 FlightShadow : Mormons are not clones of each other, and just because one Mormon, or anyone for that matter, views one way, does not mean that all will view it that
84 Post contains images Iamcanadian : Wow, this thread has developed very interestingly... So, seeing as it has gone from an interest into what Mormonism is to personal attacks on eachothe
85 Post contains images SlamClick : Officially, I'm sure you are right. Some of my wife's extended family (descended from the handcart people) are a little racist. Also, it has not been
86 Post contains images Lentigomaligna : Not since 1978 at least
87 Iamcanadian : ???
88 SlamClick : I believe he is referring to the 'revelation' mentioned in reply #85.
89 FlightShadow : Until then, Blacks were not allowed to hold the Mormon Priesthood. Why? I'm not sure anyone knows. That does not necessarily mean the church was raci
90 Copaair737 : How was it racist? People throw that term around waaaaay too much. I didn't single out a race, I just talked about my experience with a religion. Not
91 Post contains links Lentigomaligna : Never heard of a court ruling... http://scriptures.lds.org/od/2[Edited 2006-04-15 00:44:19]
92 FlightShadow : No. I read as much as was given in the 'Search Inside' portion of the book on Amazon.com. Just to be fair, I'd order it if I weren't kinda cash strap
93 Copaair737 : It just basically talks about Joseph Smith's life, and about the numerous fraudulent endeavours he was involved in, and then about how he started the
94 FlightShadow : Roger that. Note that...many things written about you in this forum, and even things you said yourself, made you look like qutie the racist. Many thin
95 SlamClick : Why? Because African-Americans are murderous? Violent? What exactly are you saying here? and this If I were trying to satirize you I could not do a b
96 Copaair737 : No, not at all genius. If I were the racist, and I were yelling "F**k you Ni***r" and other assorted racial slurs I could toss at them, I would proba
97 Post contains images Dougloid : You know why they're called Latter Day Saints? Because only a saint could put up with the crap some of folks around here are dishing out without kicki
98 Post contains images FlightShadow : Copa you're just digging yourself a deeper hole. It's funny you have the guts to call Joseph Smith phony when you're turning into a real phony yoursel
99 Copaair737 : I assume you mean Aryan, as I don't think that Mormons stem from the Arian branch of Early Christianity. The Aryan race is a theoretical race thought
100 FlightShadow : I would be most interested to hear your opinions on this, plus my mom says I need practice controlling my temper. This could fulfill two things! But,
101 HPLASOps : " target=_blank>http://scriptures.lds.org/od/2 Oh my, this link was full of suspect lines, so let me get started: So, granting privileges and blessing
102 MD-90 : So in a recent Newsweek article, a Mormon woman who wrote the pro-LDS article proudly proclaimed that the LDS Church had given $750 million to charity
103 FlightShadow : There's no way to write a letter like that that won't sound good to someone very cynical of the Church in almost every way; anything else they could
104 Copaair737 : ...and I'm the racist one? Check your comment there. Calling me racist for calling Mormons I saw "pasty white" and then you come back with this gem.
105 HPLASOps : Well I can understand saying a couple of prayers but to imply that God is the racist one and not the Church is just plain foolish - by showing that G
106 FlightShadow : Please. I made it very clear that I did not necessarily think you were racist, but your original post made it look that way. Here's a little blurb of
107 FlightShadow : I never said 'he's changed his mind.' We run into problems here because, as said earlier, most of the LDS church runs on the basis of faith, trust in
108 HPLASOps : And this is how you get cults that encourage mass suicide - by not providing any logic, reason, or proof behind beliefs - just telling your populace
109 WesternA318 : Lordy, I hope acj and shadow will take this with a grain of salt becasue I really do value and respect them and their friendship, REGARDLESS of their
110 Copaair737 : Amen. People who blindly follow what the leader says are just tools. Questioning things is the basis of human thought. Question what the leaders do s
111 MD-90 : I go to a white Southern Baptist church myself. On Sunday, there can be 650 people in Sunday school, and not one of them will be black. This reflects
112 WesternA318 : Hell yes the trinity exists! Its these 3: * Rob Halford * Bruce Dickinson * Tim Owens oh wait..those are the 3 tremors...
113 Superfly : It's just more proof that the Mormon belief system is foolish at best. There are many good people that are Mormon and not all are racist but the whol
114 Kevinl1011 : Well...they're not as bad as the "Peoples Front of Judea".
115 Post contains links Superfly : Are you talking about the cover band? http://www.thepfj.com/ If "Peoples Front of Judea" is a real cult, what amount of influence do they have compare
116 Kevinl1011 : Monte Python's "Life of Brian" reference. I'm sure you've seen it?
117 Post contains images Superfly : Everytime I've watched Monte Python's, I was pretty stoned.
118 Post contains images Kevinl1011 : I guess not everybody is affected the same way.
119 Lhrmaccoll : You need to calm it right down. Its an opinion. Its a free board. You have no right more than the next man to say whether or not my opinion means any
120 AirCop : Gee, this one is simple. There were protests on some California College Campuses (San Jose St, Stanford) regarding playing BYU in the late 60's and e
121 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Enough to know to steer clear of any woman who is one. Weird relationships there.
122 Copaair737 : Oh man, I'll agree with you on that one. I took out a Mormon girl a few weeks ago, and I was telling a story about one of my trips to a sporting even
123 Jetflyer : Wellhere's something I do know, a little algebra: MORMON - M = MORON HA HA only joking. LOL. each to their own beliefs.[Edited 2006-04-15 22:41:31]
124 Post contains images FlightShadow : Roger that. But you won't see a mass suicide from the Mormons. There is lots more personal stuff about the church than there is 'follow the prophet.'
125 Post contains images WesternA318 : LMAO, but the sex is OH SO yummy....
126 HPLASOps : Prophet: Human being who says things that he claims are divinely inspired. God: Perfect being who is above all human flaws. I see no harm in question
127 MD-90 : The Salt Lake temple is surrounded by buildings...
128 FlightShadow : This is true, but it's downtown, and the SLC one is kindof an exception (built in the 1800s). Where possible, most of the LDS temples are built on th
129 WesternA318 : Well, I think the NYC one is IN a skyscraper, forgot which one though...
130 FlightShadow : this is true, in downtown Manhattan I believe
131 MD-90 : It's an office building, about 5-7 stories high. Hardly a skyscraper. And due to NYC ordinances, there are stores on the first level.
132 Iamcanadian : I would like to know where you got that definition, HPLASOps, but I believe FlightShadow hit the nail on the head. Even in my Christian faith, I see
133 Acjflyer : Gentleman, I had to step away from the forum for a few days in order to spend some time with my family out of town. There have been some very interest
134 Post contains images Acjflyer : First of all WesternA318 its good to hear from you and I was hoping you'd jump on the forum. Thank you for making me laugh my head off reading all of
135 Post contains images FlightShadow : well said acj. good to see you back [offtopic] I know Anet has been having IM issues, you didn't happen to get any of mine did you? And, seeing as you
136 Acjflyer : Yeah dude I got your IM's but I just looked at them these last few hours since I've been back. Sorry that this weekend didn't work out i owe you big t
137 AirCop : Dateline Mesa, AZ; April 13, 2006 at the Easter Pageant held on the grounds of the Mesa Arizona LDS Temple. A street preacher standing on the public s
138 Dougloid : Dammit Alex, are you not a man of your word? You said you weren't coming back to this thread because you would be flamed. And yet, here you are, you
139 Greyhound : I think this may be the one post I've read through this whole thread that makes any sense.
140 Acjflyer : Yet again this is an informative post but hardly anything worth truly looking into as fact to prove that a religion has some major issues. Four "morm
141 WesternA318 : LOL, Sounds good, bro. Right now I'm working with several other guys from various metal bands on a tribute to DimeBag Darrell from Pantera/Damageplan
142 Post contains images Dougloid : Now I KNOW youse guys are hardwired on the goofy side LOL. Kinda funny. Back about ten years ago Korg had the Dimester as an endorser of some sort an
143 Greyhound : Can't you be arrested and banned from a.net permanently for researching things yourself and (GASP!!!) deciding something on your own?
144 Post contains images Acjflyer : Very well put! Thanks for brightening my work day!
145 WesternA318 : LOL, I love my Tele, but I just got one of Randy Rhoads' (from Ozzy Osbourne) original Flying V's from Zakk Wylde, added to my collection of Jacksons
146 Lhrmaccoll : Hardly an obnoxious opinion. Just an opinion that the basis for the religion isn't fully documented, and what is seems dubious - based on research. I
147 Dougloid : Had you spent some time reading you would have found where I said I'm a C of E member in inactive status. But I don't have to be an Anglican or a Mor
148 HPLASOps : There's a difference in starting a new religion based on tales of miracles and impossibles and starting a religion that is supposed to be a sublet of
149 Dougloid : Well, I don't see why anyone should have to explain anythig at all to anyone about their religion. Don't argue doctrine here either. It's called "The
150 Garri767 : me and my family tend to know a lot do to the fact that our best friends happen to be mormons, my son spends the night at their house and they read fr
151 Post contains images Redngold : Just like the Christian Identity Movement, Church of Jesus Christ-Christian, and Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity ar
152 HPLASOps : Correct. I could start up a religion, call it "The Church of Jesus Christ of Bunny Raping Blood Orgy Enthusiasts," identify myself as being Christian
153 WesternA318 : LMAO, isnt this the twisted form of the Playboy membership list?
154 Post contains images Dougloid : Then why your choice of names? It speaks volumes that you thought you had to apologize in advance before you hit the send button. The belief system i
155 Lhrmaccoll : OK, dougloid consider this an apology to you or anyone else that I offended. I was out of line. Alex
156 Acjflyer : During this whole thread I have put up with comments that were nothing but speculation and opinion brought out by the cowards that have neither the co
157 Redngold : To make a point about the use of a name that has little to do with the reality. Mormons require much of a person beyond faith in Christ as Lord and S
158 Post contains links Fanoftristars : Wow, I read about half of this thread and I just find it all too funny. OK, so a background on me: I grew up in Orem, UT, in a very religious, Mormon
159 Post contains images Greyhound : Oh rats... I really should go unpack my bags then
160 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : So instead you brush off the ole' soapbox and let us all hear about it over several hundred words? (hint: next time just don't read it)
161 Post contains images FlightShadow : Not every day, but an awful lot. This thread has made me take a very, very critical look at my church and the way I believe, and just reinforced my b
162 Usnseallt82 : That's fine. No where in my post did I dismiss his efforts prior to his 'soapbox' comments. My point was a rhetorical one in wondering why would you
163 WesternA318 : Unless its to/from me...I tend to get to those quite late...
164 Post contains images Iamcanadian : I just wanted to point out that THAT part of the Mormon doctrine IS the center of the basic Christian faith. Essentially, this is what is taught and
165 Post contains images SFOMEX : I'm not Mormon and to be honest, I have a lot of issues with the LSD church. Yet, despite your young age, you have behaved on this thread in a very m
166 Flynlr : I will sum Up my exposure to mormons as briefly as possible. I live in salt lake city. I married an ex mormon. i thank god every day about the ex part
167 Post contains images Lentigomaligna : Flashbacks or what? If you're talking to FlightShadow, he doesn't know. Nobody's going to tell you either. I used to think so too, since my parents m
168 Dougloid : You're superimposing your own beliefs as to the nature of Christ and what it is that he taught either directly or by example, over the top of LDS pra
169 Post contains images Greyhound : Umm... this post is completely misleading Dougloid. It's Santa Barbara, not Santa Monica. and the "spaceship" is nothing more than an oversized blimp
170 Post contains images Dougloid : Arrrrrrrrrrrr. ya got me there matey.
171 Redngold : No, I am comparing and contrasting the life of Christ presented in the Bible with the way that Mormons act and practice their faith, as admitted by m
172 Dougloid : Yep. What you're saying is "My faith is better than your faith because my book tells me so and it's absolutely 100 per cent correct about everything,
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