Iamcanadian From Canada, joined May 2001, 734 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4529 times:
I am a lifetime Christian that grew up in a Christian home, goes to church regularly, and I continue to deepen my faith. I recently stopped by Salt Lake City, Utah, and paid a visit to the Mormon Temple.
As many of you who have been there know, they offer a guided tour of the facility, and introduce you to their Mormon beliefs. I took this tour with an unbiased and open mind, already familiar with many of the Mormon beliefs and practices.
What I found intriguing about this tour was how vaguely they outlined the Mormon religion. The information they did explain was basically taken straight out of the Bible, not really elaborating on many of their ideas of who Jesus was, and what happens after we die. If I wasn't already a Christian, and didn't have an understanding of the Mormon religion, I probably would have been more interested in joining the Mormon community based on the ideas of Christianity they gave.
I was just curious as to whether or not the A.Net Mormons (If there are any out there???) know any deeper information about the Mormon religion, and if they could indulge me in what they do know...
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4513 times:
Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter): What I found intriguing about this tour was how vaguely they outlined the Mormon religion.
I've had six formal visits with missionaries, and that is always how they start out. They don't tell you the weirder stuff until you seem committed. I reckon they don't want to scare people off. I'm interested to see the Salt Lake Temple myself. We're going there in July, and I hope the tabernacle will be open again by then.
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1): Mormons are the ones who are right and will get into heaven
Gotta have a temple recommend for the best degree of heaven!
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4484 times:
I've tricked with 4 Mormons. All hot, strapping, athletic fellows. Mormon boys are horny as hell.
The memories of my first Mormon stay with me. I have to say I was dissappointed that he didn't have on his Mormon underwear, but in the course of 4 days of "dating" (on a ski trip out West), he modelled them for me once as a lark. Sort of like a union suit in rather drab colors, but he looked smashing in them and out of them.
I learned that Gladys Knight and the Pips are Mormons. Now that blew me away.
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4452 times:
Under the Banner of Faith: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer
Leaving the Saints: How I Lost the Mormons and Found my Faith by Martha Beck
Living in an area controlled poltically by Mormons I would like to point out a few things. 1. They are not the friendly people as seen on their ads. 2. If you're not a mormon, forget being friends. 3. Women are treated as second class citizens. 4. Sexual abuse - Father raping, molesting daughters is rampant in the Mormon faith. 5. They believe the good mormons will arise from the dead (i.e the caskets will come out of the ground, open up and they will walk out as if nothing as happen). 6. The religion was started by Joseph Smith a con man. 7. In order of importance is the Book of Mormon, D& C's (rulings from SLC) and then the Bible. (Most mormons are ill equipped to speak at length as to what is in the Bible.)
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4448 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 14): Living in an area controlled poltically by Mormons I would like to point out a few things. 1. They are not the friendly people as seen on their ads. 2. If you're not a mormon, forget being friends.
Aren't you generalizing here? I have worked with and for 2 Mormons, and while they don't live in an area controlled politically by Mormons (they both live in tolerant and liberal Montgomery County, MD), they are practicing Mormons who are friendly, inspiring and jovial. Both have been excellent mentors to those who worked for them.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4442 times:
Quoting MD-90 (Reply 2): They don't tell you the weirder stuff until you seem committed.
Coming from an agnostic perspective, the "weird" stuff in Mormonism isn't any weirder than what other organized religions believe (talking snakes, two of every animal on one boat, creationism, etc.).
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9): I've tricked with 4 Mormons. All hot, strapping, athletic fellows. Mormon boys are horny as hell.
In my experience, this is absolutely true. I had several Mormon friends in jr. high/high school, and they talked frequently about how "crazy" they were going to go once they got married. I also know at least two who totally duffed the "waiting for marriage" thing to some extent, but since I think pre-marital sex is awesome, I've got no issue with that...
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
The reason the Mormons were so vague about their practices, and why you could not enter the Temple, is because... they do that on purpose.
The Mormon religion is very closed and secretive. Most of the Mormon sacraments are very similar to Masonic rituals, probably because Joseph Smith, Jr., was a Mason. Mormon priests (just about any man over the age of 16, and many women) are sworn to secrecy under expectation of suicide if they divulge temple secrets and rituals, just as are Masons.
Although on the exterior Mormonism appears to be Christianity, the religion claims that it is the restoration of the Church and now relies more on the Book of Mormon than its own founder intended. Joseph Smith, Jr., said that if the Book of Mormon and the King James Bible disagreed, the Bible should take precedence. Now Mormons rely on the prophecy of their First Presidency as well as historical interpretations of scholars predominantly employed by Brigham Young University. In addition, Mormons strive to live good lives and to perfect themselves so that they can become like God - or even become a god - and rule their own celestial kingdoms. They rely more on personal experience and upbringing than on faith in Christ as a savior.
Here are some books I have read to learn this information (linked to Amazon.com): Complete Idiot's guide to understanding Mormonism (written by a Mormon scholar who is still in the church) Leaving the Saints by Martha Beck, a woman who left the church after living in it most of her life, who discovered that her father (a pillar of the Mormon church) had molested her with her mother's knowledge.
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4388 times:
All the LDS I've ever met have been good people who live sober industrious lives, raise their families and try to get along as best they can in the world. They've had me in their homes, fed me and we helped each other out all the way through graduate school.
HPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4375 times:
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 16): In my experience, this is absolutely true. I had several Mormon friends in jr. high/high school, and they talked frequently about how "crazy" they were going to go once they got married. I also know at least two who totally duffed the "waiting for marriage" thing to some extent, but since I think pre-marital sex is awesome, I've got no issue with that...
True but what even more troubling is how hypocritical they can be. The teens are wild and crazy, but claim to be just like Jesus - really annoying. They thing because they're Mormon, they're given carte blanche to be bad cause all they have to do is say they are Mormon and everyone will think they really arent' like that.
Another thing is how they identify themselves so closely with Jesus and Christianity - yet ignore the one trait Jesus held above all. The number 1 trait Jesus was about was shunning the rich and being friendly with the poor and those who were in most need. Who do the Mormons go after? Rich white people. Don't believe me, take a drive around Las Vegas. Drive around Seven Hills, Green Valley, Snobberlin, all the new, rich, white suburban areas, and you'll find more Mormon churches than gas stations. Drive around Charleston, the NE side, old North Las Vegas, actually, anywhere east of US 95 between Sunset and Bonaza, and you won't find one church (except for the big ugly temple at the base of Sunrise Mtn). Mormons only want rich white folks to join their church, cause poor minorites won't make any money for them. One of the most racists religions in our world today.
Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4371 times:
Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 21):
Who do the Mormons go after? Rich white people. Don't believe me, take a drive around Las Vegas...One of the most racists religions in our world today.
That must be why they send so many missionaries to non-white countries in their prolific conversion efforts. I know that the LDS church has a history of racism (I believe they finally decided that blacks can go to heaven at some point in the 1970s), but I really doubt that any racism in the church today is based off Mormonism itself...I'm sure there are probably just as many (if not more) racists in many Christian denominations.
Also, as you may or may not know, Las Vegas was founded by Mormons, and from what I hear, they maintain a strong missionary presence there. Their abundance there shouldn't come as much of a surprise.
Well, they built a fort there to convert the native population, but after little success, and the fort being raided constantly, it was abandoned after 2 years. The railroad is what made Las Vegas, independent of the short-lived Mormon outpost.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 19): I am a Mason and have never been required to swear to secrecy under the expectation of suicide.
Perhaps that's been removed from the ritual. I guess it was too controversial... I have read this in more than one source (none of which I can recall at the moment, but if you wish I will try to backtrack to them.)
Up, up and away!
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