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The American Military Oath Of Office  
User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

The following oath is taken by all personnel inducted into the armed forces of the United States, as found in the US Code, Section 502.

I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

As you can see, the first phrase allows for a non-religious declaration (affirming instead of swearing) of the text. But what about the last sentence? Can an atheist, polytheist, spiritist etc refuse to say this phrase?

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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Quoting Duke (Thread starter):
Can an atheist, polytheist, spiritist etc refuse to say this phrase?

Yes. You don't have to say that if you don't want to.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 2):
Thinking of signing your suicide note and joining the US Army?

Slam, ANC, myself and a large number of other posters here seem to have come out of it more or less intact and very arguably alive.

As to the original question, 11Bravo answered it correctly, and I can tell you as a person who does not belive in a christian god that the US miltary not only accepts non-christians into it's ranks, but also does its best to provide relgious support for them.

[Edited 2006-04-12 20:09:20]

User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Slam, ANC, myself and a large number of other posters here seem to have come out of it more or less intact and very arguably alive.

The only thing that's changed significantly from my day is that Active Duty deployments for the Guard and Reserve are a regular occurrence now. If your life plan is to serve in the Guard or Reserve while you go to school or work a 9-to-5 civilian job, it is fundamentally unrealistic to not expect Active Duty deployments to interfere.

Two friends of mine have been affected by deployments to Iraq. One missed out on a big promotion that was in the bag, and another is busy working on the six-year plan to get a four-year degree. I would note that both these individuals feel their military commitments are important and accept that obligation despite the huge disruption of their lives.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 2):
Thinking of signing your suicide note and joining the US Army?

Slam, ANC, myself and a large number of other posters here seem to have come out of it more or less intact and very arguably alive.

WoW! I missed this thread . . . and obviously missed that assinine remark by Kaddyuk . . . apparently a moderator didn't miss it as it's gone . . . .

The form used for Enlistments is the DD Form 4.

It has basically remained unchanged for many decades . . . with the exception of the National Guard enlistees . . . previous versions of the enlistment for the National Guard had one affirm allegience to their state and governor, etc.

It was changed in the late 1980s/early 1990s to also include the United States and the Constitution.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1963 times:
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I note that there is no expiration date on the oath we took. I simply took that to mean that I'm sworn for life.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
WoW! I missed this thread . . . and obviously missed that assinine remark by Kaddyuk . . . apparently a moderator didn't miss it as it's gone . .

Yeah...my response to him was also deleted....



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Presumably it's the same when appearing in court? It is here, people have the opportunity to affirm rather than swear an oath.


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting Duke (Thread starter):
I, _________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I personally have sworn a similar oath not just once, but twice, without the part about obeying the orders of the President of the United States, of officers, or as to any regulations or the UCMJ.

I have never had any problem with stating the oath.


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