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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2770 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

Does anyone have the link of the huge thread about the 9/11 attacks? Some of the members were typing as the events were unfolding. crying 

Thanks!

KPDX  

[Edited 2006-04-13 03:05:59]


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User currently offlineYYZflyer From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3643 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

Here ya go  Smile

RE: Airplane Crashed Into The World Trade Center. (by Vafi88 Sep 11 2001 in Civil Aviation)#ID570042

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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

After about 10 minutes of struggling with search function, I was able to find it:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/568411

Leo.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Interesting to see how many a.netters seemed to think that a nuclear attack on those responsible was justified. Typical American confusion of revenge and justice...


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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Just a small warning, that opening this thread will take quite awhile to load, at least if you have dailup type speeds. That being said, I was just reading quite a few posts down and it brought me back to the moment watching on TV that Tuesday morning. Interesting to note that early in the thread everyone was convinced it was a 737-A320 type, but it was fairly early on that someone mentioned a terror attack etc. I am going to finish reading the entire thread.

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Interesting to see how many a.netters seemed to think that a nuclear attack on those responsible was justified. Typical American confusion of revenge and justice...

Yes, I'm sure you've never overreacted to anything in your life.



-NWA742


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 5):
Yes, I'm sure you've never overreacted to anything in your life.

Not to the point that I felt the loss of 3,000 lives should be avenged with millions more anyways.



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
Not to the point that I felt the loss of 3,000 lives should be avenged with millions more anyways.

Maybe not, but obviously to the point where you think a few extreme reactions from a few Americans must have represented the "typical" American.



-NWA742


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7):
Maybe not, but obviously to the point where you think a few extreme reactions from a few Americans must have represented the "typical" American.

Not the typical American, rather the way that many Americans seem to confuse revenge with justice. I saw as many calls for war in that thread as I saw calls for the apprehension of those responsible...big difference. That said, I think (as you seem to) that there probably was a lot of overreaction that day. I certainly don't think that the majority of the people in this country would support a nuclear attack on any nation of the world.



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Not the typical American



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Typical American

...

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
rather the way that many Americans seem to
confuse revenge with justice

That's your opinion & interpretation -- please don't speak of it as fact.




-NWA742


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 9):
That's your opinion & interpretation -- please don't speak of it as fact.

I don't think I stated it as a fact (maybe that's just my opinion). I encourage you to provide some reasoning as to why you think otherwise, there's not much point in attacking my opinions if you're not going to defend your own.



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
I encourage you to provide some reasoning as to why you think otherwise,

Instead, why don't you entertain us with some actual realistic basis and reasoning for your broad generalization of Americans? And no, using select reactions from what could very well have been this nation's worst day does not count as credible basis or reasoning to your line of thought.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
if you're not going to defend your own.

I haven't expressed any of my own opinions regarding the subject of this thread. I'm logically questioning yours.



-NWA742


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):

How's about this...
You don't declare what a "typical American" is and we won't declare what a "typical Muslim" is.
Deal?



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User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Wow, just sends shivers down my spine reading the terrified and shocked responses from many a.nutters.

Cheeers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 12):

How's about this...
You don't declare what a "typical American" is and we won't declare what a "typical Muslim" is.
Deal?

No. Everyone says what they have to say, and if there's disagreement, let it be heard. I'm not making declarations, just observations...they're nothing to get too worked up about.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
Not to the point that I felt the loss of 3,000 lives should be avenged with millions more anyways.

MILLIONS OF DEATHS? What "millions of deaths" are you referring to? The deaths of the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan-who deserved the hell they got at the hands of our troops? Those weren't "millions" of deaths.

Iraq? Maybe Bush tried to pull the wool over some eyes by saying Iraq was tied to 9/11, but it wasn't. And have there been "millions of deaths" in that war? I don't think so.

So stop your nauseating over-reaction, and get a little common sense in your typing.

What would you say if a few million Americans were killed in another attack? That it isn't worth the "billions of deaths" that we used to (not) avenge those attacks?

Of course, seeing where you're writing from, I shouldn't be surprised with such a cavalier attitude of American deaths anyway.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Not the typical American, rather the way that many Americans seem to confuse revenge with justice

Afghanistan wasn't revenge, it WAS justice-justice done upon those who masterminded the attack on us, and those who protected those who planned the attack.

Iraq isn't revenge for most of us. Iraq, to most of us, was a war that shouldn't have been fought. And most of those who are for the war don't see it as vengence either-they just have the opinion that it was justified.

Again, you're sickening over-reaction nullifies any credibility you might have.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 10):
I don't think I stated it as a fact (maybe that's just my opinion).

No "maybe". It is your opinion, and it isn't a very intelligent one, if I may say so.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 14):
. I'm not making declarations, just observations...they're nothing to get too worked up about.

Sorry, but when you say such bald-faced falsehoods about Americans, I, as an American, have every right to get worked up over it. Sorry if you don't like that. I just have a thing, you know, about people who don't know shit about Americans, saying such idiotic things about us.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7309 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2863 times:
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Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Interesting to see how many a.netters seemed to think that a nuclear attack on those responsible was justified. Typical American confusion of revenge and justice...



3:1 odds for your first ban to occur in 1 week.  bouncy 

I asked about this thread about two months ago, sad sad stuff to read as it was unfolding on this site...



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Interesting to see how many a.netters seemed to think that a nuclear attack on those responsible was justified

Well, it is understandable. People felt helpless, angry. What you read there are only the first comments.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 4):
Interesting to note that early in the thread everyone was convinced it was a 737-A320 type

I was convinced that CNN wants to make a news out of nothing being absolutely sure that it must have been some small Cessna or a helicopter. How wrong was I then.  Sad It took me an hour to realize what really happened.



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):

MILLIONS OF DEATHS? What "millions of deaths" are you referring to? The deaths of the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan-who deserved the hell they got at the hands of our troops? Those weren't "millions" of deaths.

Hooooold on. The millions of deaths I was refering to were the ones that would be the result of a nuclear attack in retaliation to the 9/11 attrocities. With respect to the deaths that did occur, I'm in agreement with you that the Taliban and al-Queda terrorists got what they deserved. However, the civilian death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan is markedly higher than that in the United States, which is the primary reason for my objection to military action.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
Afghanistan wasn't revenge, it WAS justice-justice done upon those who masterminded the attack on us, and those who protected those who planned the attack.

I agree, however...

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
Iraq isn't revenge for most of us. Iraq, to most of us, was a war that shouldn't have been fought. And most of those who are for the war don't see it as vengence either-they just have the opinion that it was justified.

I agree again, and one of the many problems I have with the Iraq War is that it diverted innumerable resources away from Afghanistan, which is still struggling to rebuild after the American invasion. I'd wager that if we'd put half the resources into Afghanistan that we put into Iraq, more of the perpetrators of the 9-11 attacks would have been brought to justice, and the country would be much better off than it is under the current situation.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):

Of course, seeing where you're writing from, I shouldn't be surprised with such a cavalier attitude of American deaths anyway.

You lambast me for generalizing Americans (which I'm not, more on that in a second), and proceed to generalize Libyans. I'm not even from Libya, I just think they have a sweet flag...try reading the profile.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
Sorry, but when you say such bald-faced falsehoods about Americans, I, as an American, have every right to get worked up over it. Sorry if you don't like that. I just have a thing, you know, about people who don't know shit about Americans, saying such idiotic things about us.

Fair enough. Just keep in mind that I'm not Libyan.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 17):
3:1 odds for your first ban to occur in 1 week.

Sure.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Typical American confusion of revenge and justice...

A lot of you misinterpreted this. I ment exactly what I said, not "Americans typically confuse revenge with justice". This statement was simply ment to suggest that the calls for a nuclear attack on the nation responsible (see B757300s replies to the 9-11 thread) are a good example of hawkish Americans confusing revenge with justice.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 19):
This statement was simply ment to suggest that the calls for a nuclear attack on the nation responsible (see B757300s replies to the 9-11 thread) are a good example of hawkish Americans confusing revenge with justice.

By the same logic, it was not right for Americans to avenge the attack on Pearl Harbor by killing millions of Japanese. And it was millions. And it was said back then that we had provoked the Japanese to attack us.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Interesting to see how many a.netters seemed to think that a nuclear attack on those responsible was justified. Typical American confusion of revenge and justice...

Excuse me but what nuclear attack are we refering to?

Did any American in a position of power use nuclear weapons after Spetember 11th?
Did the United States military attack every Arab or muslim majority country in the world?

I went throught that thread post after post, here's what I found.

1 Person mantioned Peacekeeper missles. That wasn't until reply 112 out of over 400. Two people agreed someone from Netherlands and someone from Austrailia.

There were 4 calls for war, with most European posters supporting 100%. Which a few days later is exactly what happened.

Interstingly I saw more references to GOD, yes the same one those terrorists worship, than calls for nuclear retaliation.

I also saw the Arab reaction written in this post.

Thousands of Palestinians are celebrating the terror attacks on the US.

They have been chanting God is Great and distributing sweets to
passers-by, even as their leader, Yasser Arafat, said he was horrified.

In the West Bank town of Nablus, about 3,000 people poured into the
street shortly after the attacks.

Reports from the West Bank claim Palestinian extremists say the attacks
in the US are a consequence of the country's policy in the Middle East.

Demonstrators have distributed sweets in a traditional gesture of
celebration and several Palestinian gunmen have shot in the air, while other
marchers carried Palestinian flags.

Nawal Abdel Fatah, 48, wearing a long black dress, threw sweets in the
air, saying she was happy because "America is the head of the snake,
America always stands by Israel in its war against us."

Her daughter Maysoon, 22, said she hoped the next attack will be
launched against Tel Aviv.

In traditionally Arab east Jerusalem, there was a smaller gathering of
about two dozen people, many of them young children led in chants by
adults. Some drivers passing the scene honked their horns and flashed
victory signs from their windows.

Yasser Arafat and his top advisers huddled at his office in Gaza City,
watching the events unfold on television.

He said: "We are completely shocked. It's unbelievable. We completely
condemn this very dangerous attack, and I convey my condolences to the
American people, to the American president and to the American
administration, not only in my name but on behalf of the Palestinian people.

In the West Bank, meanwhile, the leader the Democratic Front for the
Liberation of Palestine denied his group was involved in the attacks.

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Meanwhile one American poster 747600x in reply 323 called for an end to war.

So it seems to me Gunsontheroof, that anyone who reads that thread doen't come away with the impression of American over reaction, but of WORLD reaction.

And let me draw another comparison for you. When a cartoon of Mohammed was printed in a newpaper riots swept the Muslim world and people were killed.

When 3000 innocent lives were taken in a cowardly and brutal fashion, there were no riots in the streets.

It pretty clear that Americans and the Westerners understand what JUSTICE is. It seems Muslims need to be schooled on that topic. We don't riot even when we are attacked. Your brethren riot and kill your own over a cartoon image.

Im sick and tired of being told that Muslims shouldn't be offended. Its time Muslims should start worrying about offending us.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 21):
Yasser Arafat and his top advisers huddled at his office in Gaza City,
watching the events unfold on television.

If I remember right, Yasser Arafat also went to donate his blood for the victims of 9/11. There are many things he did that I don't agree with and that gesture could be seen differently by different people, but it is also fair to say that.



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

UALPHLCS, oustanding post.

 thumbsup 




-NWA742


User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 3):
Interesting to see how many a.netters seemed to think that a nuclear attack on those responsible was justified. Typical American confusion of revenge and justice...


how do you suggest people react?
it was a tragedy, people have a right to lash out at the assholes who did that. A nuclear attack on those RESPONSIBLE is justified. the people responsible for that day deserve that and then some. it is my sincere hope that when they are caught that they are butt raped everyday for the the rest of their long and painful lives.


25 UALPHLCS : Not the point and is irrelevent. Yassar Arafat wasn't in a position to do anything other than donate blood. My point is that Gunsontheroof wants peop
26 Gunsontheroof : Very well thought out post. However, I'll say again that it wasn't my intention to generalize any of the opinions in the thread, especially given the
27 Clipperhawaii : Well Muammar, I find it striking for a person with the the name of "Guns on the roof" would have the audacity to say such a thing, let alone having t
28 Gunsontheroof : I saw that you replied to this thread and expected this type of response...did you bother to read anything past the first post I made? As far as my u
29 Post contains images KPDX : Ahh, what a simple thread can turn in to. KPDX
30 Gunsontheroof : I would also like to point out that it's a tad ironic for you to get object to what you interpreted as a "generalization" of Americans by giving me a
31 Clipperhawaii : Sorry KPDX. It seems it was ruined in reply 3. As for 9/11 it seems that almost 5 years later it is still a sensitive subject and people need to trea
32 Gunsontheroof : Since you seem to take such an issue with my initial, poorly worded reply to this thread despite my subsequent (non-malicious) efforts to explain it,
33 Aleksandar : Like I said, it happened. Hw irrelevant or not it was, it happened and I didn't want to either judge or defend Arafat simply because he is dead now s
34 UALPHLCS : As stated in my post, after a careful and painful reading of the September 11th thread only one American ever advocated a nuclear response. He was su
35 Gunsontheroof : Which reveals a bit of a contradiction in my original post...based on the language, I was overreacting to what what probably an overreaction. Not my
36 Windshear : You are constantly hating your country of origin, yet have nothing to critisize about the Muslim world, how does that fit together with you not likin
37 Fumanchewd : First time that I have seen that thread. Chilling, to say the least. As expected there are calls for vengence, there are calls for peace, and there ar
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