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Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies  
User currently offlineLutenist From Canada, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

It must be that time of the month--another 9/11 conspiracy thread, complete with shocking video, has been started on A-Net.

Questions:


  • Why is it that after almost 5 years, the conspiracy hasn't yet been exposed thoroughly in the world's great news publications?

  • Does anyone here really believe that the world's press--NY Times, Economist, etc.--are in on the conspiracy?

    They're either in on it or totally incompetent since according to the videos the devastation clearly was wrought by Americans.

  • Why does the 'truth' only exist in a bunch of videos to be found exclusively in the WWW backwaters?

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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
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Don't believe conspiracy theorists. Look at the evidence... something these people can't seem to do.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
Why is it that after almost 5 years, the conspiracy hasn't yet been exposed thoroughly in the world's great news publications?

Beyond that, if 9/11 was staged by right-wing fanatics, why is the commie, pinko, liberal press part of it?

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
Does anyone here really believe that the world's press--NY Times, Economist, etc.--are in on the conspiracy?

Well, maybe. If they were promised some really dramatic video guaranteed to sell lots of beer and toothpast and toilet paper on their news programs.

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
Why does the 'truth' only exist in a bunch of videos to be found exclusively in the WWW backwaters?

And why does the 'truth' have to be accompanied by bizarre "Twilight Zone" music?

Why is the 'truth' only told in three-second sound bites from unnamed 'witnesses?"

This aberration will not go away quickly. We have a generation of people who think Michael Moore is a 'film maker' and that he produces 'documentaries' comparable with Ken Burns' work.

Hot damn! I wish I was thirty again. People so gullible can be fleeced their whole life long and this time around I'd be the one to do it.



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
It must be that time of the month--another 9/11 conspiracy thread, complete with shocking video, has been started on A-Net.

Questions:


* Why is it that after almost 5 years, the conspiracy hasn't yet been exposed thoroughly in the world's great news publications?

* Does anyone here really believe that the world's press--NY Times, Economist, etc.--are in on the conspiracy?

They're either in on it or totally incompetent since according to the videos the devastation clearly was wrought by Americans.

* Why does the 'truth' only exist in a bunch of videos to be found exclusively in the WWW backwaters?

Oh brother ......

 no 



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User currently offlineLutenist From Canada, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting Jush (Reply 3):
Oh brother ......

I'm a bit slow, Jush. Could you elaborate for my sake?


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
People so gullible can be fleeced their whole life long and this time around I'd be the one to do it.

Man, don't tell them to wake up....you'll cost me money.....  shhh 



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

If you really want a trip down the rabbit hole, check out Sender, Berl & Sons Inc. This guy wraps several of the most famous conspiracies and secret societies into one grand paranoid delusion. In his enlightened ramblings, you'll find the truth about 9/11, the secret plan of the New World Order, the truth about the Jewish return to the Holy Land and how China in instrumental in all this.

Its an interesting read, but take your Dramamine, the twists in logic will make you dizzy.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

My only question is why hasnn't anybody been fired over 9/11 despite the many mistakes and bu glings that happend that day ???


And why hasn' the govt simply released the footage of the 757 hitting the Pentagon to shut up conspiracy theorists.

Unless of course it wasn't a 757  confused   confused   confused 



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User currently offlineKSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
And why hasn' the govt simply released the footage of the 757 hitting the Pentagon to shut up conspiracy theorists.

Because it wouldn't shut the conspiracy theorists up. They would just claim that the tape was doctored or fake, and go on with their senseless ramblings.

Did live footage of a 767-200 slamming into the WTC shut up the conspiracy theorists on that topic? No, and footage certainly would not do the same for the Pentagon nutjobs.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Quoting KSYR (Reply 8):
Did live footage of a 767-200 slamming into the WTC shut up the conspiracy theorists on that topic? No, and footage certainly would not do the same for the Pentagon nutjobs.

Completely agreed, but I do wonder why its being held back. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, just curious as to the rationale.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Completely agreed, but I do wonder why its being held back. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, just curious as to the rationale.

Maybe they have a good reason, maybe they don't. Maybe it's out of respect for the families of the people who died in that building, maybe not. However, I believe that most rational people can agree that it was the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, video or no video, I don't see a big government cover up here. And just to stir up the pot a little bit, if it was in fact not a 757 that hit the Pentagon, where did the plane go? And where are the people that were on it? Unless of course it was those dastardly aliens beaming people and planes up to their spaceship.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Completely agreed, but I do wonder why its being held back. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, just curious as to the rationale.

I would hazard a guess that those tapes are listed as evidence in an ongoing criminal action and can't be released.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

I'd tend to favour the non-conspiracy explanation although i'm not always 100% convinced. It obviously gets under everyone's skin, there's been two threads on it tonight, and every time someone questions it or entertains the idea they are immediately ridiculed for having curiosity. So it's your own fault in a way, if you didn't react like this these things would go away.

If you filter out all the pretentious and cringe-worthy commentary in these conspiracy videos. You'll reveal some interesting discussion points. I watched that "short-change" program tonight, the things that stood out for me were the collapse of WT7 - which seemed a bit random, and an interesting bit of footage which showed a shake just before the collapse of the 2nd tower to go (could've easily been photoshopped), suggesting some kind of catalystic explosive (around 50 mins on the video). There are probably many explanations for this, but i don't think it's ridiculous to want to discuss and question them.

I am of course, not stupid enough to take the thing anywhere near entirely seriously, especially since they got the wrong engine for the AA 757.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Why do we have to have yet ANOTHER thread on this 9/11 crap . . .

User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 12):
There are probably many explanations for this, but i don't think it's ridiculous to want to discuss and question them.

There’s nothing wrong with curiosity, and when something doesn't make sense, asking about it. The problem with conspiracy theorists is that even when you give them very detailed answers from very credible sources, they either pretend no answer was given and claim no one can explain it, or better yet, say that the answer is an obvious attempt to cover up the truth, and so they must be right. So while a few innocent questioners probably do get raked over the coals for asking, the bulk of these postings are in response to idiots who have already demonstrated they aren't interested in rational answers.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
My only question is why hasnn't anybody been fired over 9/11 despite the many mistakes and bu glings that happend that day ???

So what's this if that was your only question -

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
And why hasn' the govt simply released the footage of the 757 hitting the Pentagon to shut up conspiracy theorists.

 confused 

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
Unless of course it wasn't a 757

So what was it? Actually, don't bother replying, I know the answer, as does everyone else out there.

BF



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 14):
There's nothing wrong with curiosity, and when something doesn't make sense, asking about it

Yes, the problem with these theorists is that they address their curiosities with the outright intent to go against the government/get attention. Thus it's near impossible to reason. Others are just genuinely interested and It's actually quite annoying because their overwhelming contentiousness, means they get no serious attention and the handful of interesting points they discover are just written off as conspiracy theorist crap. Almost as if there's a conspiracy theory, against conspiracy theorists. Big grin


User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 16):
Almost as if there's a conspiracy theory, against conspiracy theorists. Big grin

Hmm a meta conspiracy theory. I bet it's the space lizards that start all the wacky conspiracies just so noone will belive any "real" ones haha


User currently offlineScott2187 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Why do we have to have yet ANOTHER thread on this 9/11 crap . . .

that's the same question i asked myself when i saw this.



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User currently offlineLutenist From Canada, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Why do we have to have yet ANOTHER thread on this 9/11 crap . . .

I was attempting to get some of the people who believe in this 9/11 conspiracy stuff to explain what to me is the most glaringly ridiculous premise of their argument--namely, that the world's mainstream press is a part of the conspiracy as no major news service, who you'd think would have the resources to expose the conspiracy, has been able or willing to do so.

No takers so far.


User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Quoting Lutenist (Reply 19):
I was attempting to get some of the people who believe in this 9/11 conspiracy stuff to explain what to me is the most glaringly ridiculous premise of their argument--namely, that the world's mainstream press is a part of the conspiracy as no major news service, who you'd think would have the resources to expose the conspiracy, has been able or willing to do so.

No takers so far.

A number of us have tried a load of times, and it hasn't happened so far so don't hold your breath. They choose to be selective in their answers and it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.  banghead  Yeah, that!

Don't waste your time.

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 20):
A number of us have tried a load of times, and it hasn't happened so far so don't hold your breath. They choose to be selective in their answers and it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

WTF, this kind of crap again! Yes, several of us attempted to discuss the physics behind 9/11, and some members decided that we were stupid and uninformed.

Some of us hit our head against the wall so hard, that it bled, and we still have the fresh scars to prove it. And a few days after these discussion, I again saw a show about 9/11. Those bldgs. didnt come down in a controlled explosion.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

People who come up with this sort of shit, have, what I think are varying degrees of low level mental illness, (some of course might be even more afflicted).

I don't mean pyscho killers or other cliches, rather these otherwise pretty normally functioning people just cannot accept the random nature of life, as well as death.
They cannot accept there is NOT a huge master plan/conspiracy having some great, often sinister, purpose.
They actually find this worldview of huge plots in a way more comforting, more acceptable, than a world when small events can later have huge effects, when the unforseen can occur.

Because the opposite to this, the real chaotic world, is far more worrying to them, frightening even.
In this respect, these theories are a kind of modern religeous belief system, offering similar answers to big questions. But with earthly gods controlling things.

Even one I bet widely accepted on here, the JFK killing, despite that well made but utterly untruthful film 'JFK', being easily debunked by just basic research, it is widely accepted as fact.
Because people just cannot accept than such a powerful, charismatic figure like JFK, could be killed by a social outcast with a cheap rifle.

Franz Ferdinard, the Austro-Hungarian leader, was another very powerful figure, look what happened to him, his motorcade made a wrong turn, so the anarchist who had positioned himself poorly, got his chance anyway, with a pistol.
Leading to a chain of events that started WW1.

That's those who concoct the theories, what of the market for it, well most who think some or all of the main ones are true, are not mentally ill, but in many cases just ignorant, credulous, don't really have any perspective of history.
Often picking a favourite one which confirms predujices they may have about certain subjects, people, governments.


User currently offlineLutenist From Canada, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 22):
They actually find this worldview of huge plots in a way more comforting, more acceptable, than a world when small events can later have huge effects, when the unforseen can occur.

Very interesting. I hadn't thought about it in that way. I believe there's some merit in what you say.

I have an acquaintance who subscribes to the 9/11 conspiracy theory without question. He's a paranoid, extremely self-centred control freak. His paranoia is probably borne of utter selfishness, one which would cause him to subconsciously place himself at the centre of the entire cosmos. Wacky conspiracy theories would, in a way, confirm his very deeply-held world view.

Admittedly, he is a sample of one.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 22):
They actually find this worldview of huge plots in a way more comforting, more acceptable, than a world when small events can later have huge effects, when the unforseen can occur.

Oh, come on. You know as well as I do that 9/11 was caused when Air France had the strip of metal from the Continental DC-10 secretly moved from the runway at CDG and placed on the Pentagon lawn. The whole thing was concocted as a cover-up...  wink 

Great post btw...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
25 Gilligan : Name the mistake. Everything the hijackers took on board that day was legal at that time. All they did was study the loopholes and take advantage of
26 SATX : So far I haven't seen any 9/11 conspiracy theory that had any serious traction with me. However, I've also never really understood why anybody who may
27 Stirling : ......and one bullet injured Connelly and killed Kennedy. And that was 43 years ago. I am afraid the 9/11 discussion will continue for years to come.
28 MD80fanatic : I find it quite amusing to read post after post from people saying ad-nausium how much thy hate to see thread after thread of 9-11 CTs....yet those ar
29 BristolFlyer : Probably the reason that people still argue it was that most users of this forum have an interest in aviation and 9/11 was the biggest thing to happe
30 GDB : Stirling, but look at JFK again, all those 'facts' that made things look not right, which gained currency somehow over the years, turns out they are w
31 Post contains links Stirling : I can only imagine the red faces that would come after admitting that the USAF shot down UA93...especially after all these years. But the only way to
32 GDB : I don't think there is any reason to think UA93 was shot down, it would have been, if at the time of the crash the nearest USAF fighter was not 60 mil
33 AndesSMF : There were several unsuccessful attempts to crash airliners into buildings, this one was the one that was closest to its target before. The problem w
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