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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

It's just not right. Thousands of pilots in our very own country are living at or just below the six figure salary line. And if that wasn't bad enough, many of them may go several weeks or months without a paycheck if they are forced by Delta Air Lines management to strike.

But now you can help. For about three hundred dollars a day (that's less than the price of a 25" television set) you can help keep a pilot economically viable during their time of need.

Three hundred dollars a day may not seem like a lot of money to you, but to a pilot, it could mean the difference between a vacation fishing in Florida or a Mediterranean cruise.

Three hundred dollars a day will enable a pilot to upgrade his or her home computer, buy that new 100" television set, trade in the 6 month old Lexus for a Ferrari, or enjoy a dinner (with champagne) at a fine restaurant.

"HOW WILL I KNOW I'M HELPING?"

Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the crew member you sponsor. Detailed information about his or her stocks, bonds, 401K, and real-estate holdings will be mailed to your home. You will be able to watch your pilot's net worth grow. You'll also get information on how they chose to invest their 1.2 million dollar lump sum they get upon their retirement.

"HOW WILL THEY KNOW I'M HELPING?"

Your pilot will be told that he or she has a SPECIAL FRIEND that just wants to help. Although the pilot won't know your name, he or she will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator in case they need more funds.

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I want to help!! In the event of a strike by the Delta Pilots, I would like to sponsor the crew member listed below. I would like to sponsor (circle your selection/s):

___CAPTAIN
___777 CREW MEMBER
___AN ENTIRE FLIGHT CREW
___737 CREW MEMBER
___FIRST OFFICER
___MD-88 CREW MEMBER
___767 CREW MEMBER
___Please apply my donation to the crew member most in need.

Please charge the account listed below $326.25 per day (or $350.29 for 777 crew members) for the duration of the strike. Please send me a picture of the crew member I have sponsored, along with a set of "wings" and my very own "new" red S.C.O.P.E. badge (while supplies last)

-- ( ) Mastercard -- ( ) Visa -- ( ) American Express
-- ( ) Diner's Club -- ( ) Delta Card -- ( ) Discover Card
Account Number:________________________________
Exp. Date:_____________________________________
Signature:_____________________________________

Send Completed Forms to the Delta Pilots Assoc. Or, Enroll By Phone: (404)-555-3188

Note: Sponsors agree not to contact the crew member sponsored or their families in person or by other means including, but not limited to, phone calls, letters, email, or third parties. Contributions made are not tax deductible. In the event of no strike action taken, sponsors agree to a one time administration charge of $500.00 to cover administration costs of this progam.

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User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

LOL
This did make me laugh...but will probably get you in hot water with some other members!!



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

this is the funniest post I've seen all day.


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Best post on a.net ever. Sure, I've got $300 per day kicking around. Heck, I've got three times that. I could sponsor an entire flight crew.

User currently offlinePK786 From Pakistan, joined May 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Hi
Where can i sign up for a Female pilot I have my AMX card ready.I dont even make three hundred a week.But I will be happy to donate my pay check to them because they are doing what NOTHING.Thanks B777-700.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

They should run a similar scheme for Engineers...  Wink

What you think Mel (HAWK21M)?



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Marginally amusing since we're talking about DALPA I suppose, but I still think it's in poor taste particularly if this is meant to be extended to pilots in general.

First of all, for whatever they're paid, pilots have to take on huge responsibility. They are liable for the lives of the people on the aircraft they fly. Any error on their part could mean disastrous consequences which they are ultimately responsible for. It's not a responsibility anyone should take lightly.

Secondly, DALPA aside, not every pilot lives up to the sort of lifestyle implied by the sponsor-a-pilot form above. Many are just hard working men and women earning a living, aligning their career paths with their love of aviation, and imho are not outrageously paid for what they do.

Thirdly airline employees in general have taken huge pay and benefit cuts in the last 5 years, so let's not be too cynical everyone...



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 5):
They should run a similar scheme for Engineers...

No, they shouldn't  Wink



Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
Secondly, DALPA aside, not every pilot lives up to the sort of lifestyle implied by the sponsor-a-pilot form above. Many are just hard working men and women earning a living, aligning their career paths with their love of aviation, and imho are not outrageously paid for what they do.

Thirdly airline employees in general have taken huge pay and benefit cuts in the last 5 years, so let's not be too cynical everyone...

*cough* You HONESTLY expect me (and this forum) to belive that pilots get a poor deal?

A Good friend of mine works for Comair (The Delta Subsidary). Their pilots are threatening a strike, even when they currently get paid ABOVE the average for pilots in their sector. Its simple, take the pay cut OR strike, the airline goes under and you loose your job. Its pretty simple stuff we're talking about here. They get paid more than the average and tbh, the job isnt THAT stressful. 9 times out of 10, the most strenuous thing they do is the pre-flight walk round...  stirthepot 

[Edited 2006-04-13 23:00:43]


Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7308 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2208 times:
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At the end of 06 this thread will be in the running for some sort of award!  bouncy 

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 7):
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 5):
They should run a similar scheme for Engineers...

No, they shouldn't

 checkmark   Smile



I miss the old Anet.
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 8):
*cough* You HONESTLY expect me (and this forum) to belive that pilots get a poor deal?

A Good friend of mine works for Comair (The Delta Subsidary). Their pilots are threatening a strike, even when they currently get paid ABOVE the average for pilots in their sector. Its simple, take the pay cut OR strike, the airline goes under and you loose your job. Its pretty simple stuff we're talking about here. They get paid more than the average and tbh, the job isnt THAT stressful. 9 times out of 10, the most strenuous thing they do is the pre-flight walk round...

I realise that DALPA is strangling Delta, but I seriously don't understand this culture of disrespecting pilots. Yeah the airline wouldn't exist without you (i assume you're still a VS tech) but likewise you wouldn't have a job if there weren't any pilots to fly the planes and there wouldn't be any planes if there weren't any pilots. The responsibility which pilots take on in the course of their everyday duties...well it's certainly more than I'll have to face in my working life and the same can be said most others.

I'm not saying that pilots are getting a bad deal, I just don't think they're overpaid for what they do.

I realise that this thread was supposed to be humourous but I seriously can't understand why everyone thinks pilots are living it up without having to do any work.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 10):
I realise that this thread was supposed to be humourous but I seriously can't understand why everyone thinks pilots are living it up without having to do any work.

Because they dont really do any work... the computer does all the flying... They're a safety measure...

*sarcasm*
That being said, the thing that CAUSES most crashes, are the two lumps of flesh and bones at the front. If a safety device else where on the aircraft failed as often as they do, it would be removed and re-designed...  Wink



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 11):
That being said, the thing that CAUSES most crashes, are the two lumps of flesh and bones at the front. If a safety device else where on the aircraft failed as often as they do, it would be removed and re-designed...

So imagine paying them even less and giving them even less incentive to take their job seriously...



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 7):
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 5):
They should run a similar scheme for Engineers...

No, they shouldn't

That's because we know they'll just piss it away down at the pub......


But what if I wanted to sponsor an MD-90 or 757 crew member........


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
First of all, for whatever they're paid, pilots have to take on huge responsibility. They are liable for the lives of the people on the aircraft they fly. Any error on their part could mean disastrous consequences which they are ultimately responsible for. It's not a responsibility anyone should take lightly.

Here in Seattle, city bus drivers are paid $20 or less an hour to drive their bus around town, and they often times can carry 50-60 or more passengers in one bus during rush hour. They are liable for the lives of dozens of folks as well. How are 757 bus drivers worth any more than city bus drivers?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8725 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
How are 757 bus drivers worth any more than city bus drivers?

For starters, it could be because they got themselves into one hell of a lot of debt for their ATPL. Then we can add the metal tube doing several hundred miles an hour issue and a plethora of other items, but still... the naysayers would continue whinging.

Hey, if being a pilot is so easy, why don't you become one and work for the money a bus driver earns? Deal?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
Thirdly airline employees in general have taken huge pay and benefit cuts in the last 5 years, so let's not be too cynical everyone...

The Delta pilots are still earning more than they were prior to the last set of raises.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
First of all, for whatever they're paid, pilots have to take on huge responsibility.

That they do willingly. Are you suggesting that paying them less means they'll be less careful? Or that fewer pilots will want to work for them? As opposed to Air Tran or JetBlue?

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 10):
I realise that DALPA is strangling Delta, but I seriously don't understand this culture of disrespecting pilots.

So...is it ok for them to strangle the airline? I respect the pilot's ability to fly the airplane safely....but they'd be paying to fly if they were not working for an airline or air force.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2079 times:
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Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 12):
So imagine paying them even less and giving them even less incentive to take their job seriously...

Sorry.. but they shouldn't need tons of incentive. They didn't go through all the training to fly these planes because it's simply a "job"-- there needs to be some sort of desire to do this.

If you love what you do, and pilots should, since there is an incredible amount of training required, that love and passion for your job should trump the money you make. Maybe it's a cliche thing to say, but jeez, think of all the people stuck in jobs they hate.

Maybe this is just my naive 17 year old perspective of the world talking...

JBLU


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 14):
How are 757 bus drivers worth any more than city bus drivers?



Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
For starters, it could be because they got themselves into one hell of a lot of debt for their ATPL. Then we can add the metal tube doing several hundred miles an hour issue and a plethora of other items, but still... the naysayers would continue whinging.

Hey, if being a pilot is so easy, why don't you become one and work for the money a bus driver earns? Deal?

 checkmark 

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
The Delta pilots are still earning more than they were prior to the last set of raises.

That's just Delta pilots though.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
That they do willingly. Are you suggesting that paying them less means they'll be less careful?

Well it's a similar analogy to that of paying police officers poorly.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
So...is it ok for them to strangle the airline? I

No - especially when you consider that if you they continue to do so, none of them will have jobs. But again, that's DALPA!

All I am saying is that on aggregate I don't think that pilots pay is outrageous and I wonder what drives the hatred that many people on this site seem to have towards pilots.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

I read in a book that some pilots are real poor. And that SOME are struggling to just make ends meet.

Whats the story with that?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8725 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):
Whats the story with that?

I assume it's like that when you start at a US regional, which most pilots do at some point in their carreers. It's probably the same in European countries, but of course regionals in Europe are very different from regionals in the US. And there's less talk about them.  Wink



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User currently offlineNordair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
For starters, it could be because they got themselves into one hell of a lot of debt for their ATPL. Then we can add the metal tube doing several hundred miles an hour issue and a plethora of other items, but still... the naysayers would continue whinging.

Hey, if being a pilot is so easy, why don't you become one and work for the money a bus driver earns? Deal?

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2432 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Isn't this in the wrong forum or what?  Wink

User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 18):
That's just Delta pilots though.

Which is who the thread was about to begin with. It's a joke. Get over yourself.



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 6):
First of all, for whatever they're paid, pilots have to take on huge responsibility. They are liable for the lives of the people on the aircraft they fly. Any error on their part could mean disastrous consequences which they are ultimately responsible for. It's not a responsibility anyone should take lightly.

what about the engineers that maintain these aircraft, they have just as much responsibility! but half the salary!

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
For starters, it could be because they got themselves into one hell of a lot of debt for their ATPL

no tehy didnt.....mummy and daddy paid for it!

Quoting Aloges (Reply 15):
Then we can add the metal tube doing several hundred miles an hour issue and a plethora of other items, but still... the naysayers would continue whinging.

death is death, weather its at 500 mph or 50 mph!


25 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : That, and most Part 135 freight operations, "professional" CFI's, etc. It sucks to start out (though once you get going, it ain't too bad ). Most guy
26 L-188 : Nice......Too bad you didn't have it ready two weeks ago for April Fools Day.
27 FSPilot747 : Are you f**king kidding me?[Edited 2006-04-16 22:45:29]
28 Matt72033 : no it isnt! im not saying there not comfortable but the pay check is SIGNIFICANTLY less than a pilots! an in a lot of cases less than half! even more
29 FSPilot747 : What the hell is wrong with people that they think the mecs' salary should be on par with or compared to the pilots' salary? It's like bitching becau
30 Post contains images Dl757md : I agree completely. You ever wonder why there's not an airplane mtc simulator program? You couldn't afford the computer needed to run it.   Dl757Md[
31 TheSorcerer : Well DALPA's a shit trade union if it recommends strike when it can't support it's members properly. Dominic
32 Post contains images B777-700 : You're right. Mx's have a lot more responsibility! Honestly dude, you just think pilots are the be all, end all, and they're not. You have a hard tim
33 777-200 : Most of the pilots at delta don't make six figures anyway. Its just like saying why should doctors make so much? I mean, all they do is perscribe medi
34 Post contains images Matt72033 : Whatever! you obviously dont have the first clue about what your talking about there! yeah your right! pilots education and skill level goes as deep
35 EmiratesA345 : The same can be said about the bus driver, yet they are not paid nearly as much. I agree completely. Well said. To suggest that paying them less woul
36 777-200 : Do you have any idea of how much time and money it takes to become a commercial pilot? I could go through "bus driver" training in about a week and b
37 B777-700 : And yet their average pay is $157,000. Hmmmm...
38 FSPilot747 : You guys need to spend more time bitching about the 20 mil a guy gets for playing ball. Then again, I don't even complain about that because that's wh
39 JBirdAV8r : Next time a bus driver goes 140 miles an hour in pea soup fog (controlling pitch, roll, yaw, and thrust) to land on a precise point on the ground, ha
40 B777-700 : Yes, there is, when the market does not allow it. Sorry, but Rasheed Wallace's actions do not put me out of a job. Request denied.
41 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Well, gee. Then I've been studying WAY too much, my students should sue me for overworking them, and my FAA examiners asked me way too many questions
42 Post contains images Dl757md : I'm well aware of what they do. What you need to be aware of is that there are low paid pro pilots out there that are willing and able to do what DL
43 Yyz717 : I agree. These glorified bus drivers still have it too good. SO what? Airlines are a business. Period. If they are losing money, they need to cut cos
44 EmiratesA345 : Do you not read? See below: I'm not saying driving a bus is hard, but I don't think flying a plane is either. It all becomes second nature after you
45 JBirdAV8r : I agree with that, but people on A.net are telling them to just bend over and take a 50% pay cut. If you had the means to fight that, you would. I ac
46 FSPilot747 : Ok pal, What do you have, like 4 hours in a Cessna 152? No shit that's not hard. Brain surgery is easy if you know what you're doing. Yyz717, good fo
47 Yyz717 : If 50% is what's needed to return the airline to profitability, then I guess the alternative is liquidation if pilots are not willing to work as a te
48 Post contains images Nordair : Very typical of most people. They are automatically hostile and indignant towards people they don't even know who make more money than they do. Sour g
49 Zone1 : Do I get Double SkyMiles if I use my Delta American Express card?
50 B777-700 : Really? I made only about $20K at Delta last year. If the pilots make more than me, good for them! I'm not jealous one bit. I got my own shit going o
51 Nordair : *hands you some cheese for your whine*
52 FSPilot747 : Really, like the almost 40% they already gave? Did you give 40% of your salary yet? Until you do, find something else to whine about, or find another
53 Dl757md : He's probably given (or rather had taken away) 25% salary over the last 3 years. Add to that benefits cuts and it easily is 40%+. I know because I as
54 Dl757md : The pilots are obviously unhappy. Haven't heard you suggest they do the same. DL757Md
55 Post contains images B777-700 : I'm not going anywhere, I'm happy. I don't NEED this job. I want to work for Delta. I will not have the pilots deciding my future. I haven't taken a
56 B777-700 : Ha! Good point. We also will not get this money back in better times. It's gone for good. The pilots however, will.
57 FSPilot747 : A salary in 1996 is not the same salary in 2006 (even if they are the same numbers). Nominally, sure they're making the same thing. But certainly not
58 Dl757md : No it's not. X$ in 1996 is worth much more than X$ now. I was talking in straight dollars. So if my paycheck in 1996 said $1000, it now says $800 whi
59 777-200 : 10th year captains make about 150k a year, 12th year F/O's make 115K. I think they are deserving of that If you think about all the work they had to
60 FSPilot747 : Actually I don't think EmiratesA345 drives the bus. I think they just let him clean it, to keep him from saying stupid things on par with the above to
61 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : B777-700, No one that makes more than you at Delta, pilots included, want you to lose your job. Most pilots at DL know that they're going to have to
62 B777-700 : Yes, they are. They were willing to end the company to prove a point. Or are you conceding that they were full of shit and wouldn't have followed thr
63 JBirdAV8r : Why don't you calm down? I'm not personally attacking you, although you're flaming basically everyone in my profession. Go back and reread my entire
64 B777-700 : Um, the company has publicly acknowledged this. And yes I do know that they were making the frontline employees jobs harder. Bottom line is: No one s
65 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : They've announced some passengers have become concerned, but they have not commented on any decline in booking. That's pure speculation on your part.
66 Post contains images B777-700 : Is it? Should I believe you over the many resources I have at my disposal, you know, working for the company and all? Ok, who then? No one in the com
67 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : You work for upper-level Delta management and/or PR? Since you know every single one of DL's employees, being the high and haughty line-level entry l
68 Peterpuck : If some of you people think pilots have it so easy then go be one. It's not like driving a bus no matter what some asshole says!
69 Matt72033 : let me know when you see a pilot do it too please! ok i over exagerated, but if you want to compare the technical knowledge of the aircraft a pilot h
70 AirxLiban : Thanks for the unwarranted personal attack. If you read what I wrote properly you would realise that I made it clear that I knew that this read was a
71 FSPilot747 : Yeah I chose this username 7 years ago. I'm a CFI, I don't see what the problem is or what point you are trying to make.
72 Post contains images Kaddyuk : Isn't everyone these days? Average Joe Pilots know jack about the Air Conditioning Systems, Hydraulic Systems, Bleed Air System etc and thats because
73 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Didn't know your average Cessna was equipped with autoland. If you don't know anything about the profession, keep quiet.
74 Matt72033 : the pilot of the average cessna shouldnt be doing.... edit: Also.....find me an average cessna pilot being paid 150k a year to fly it![Edited 2006-04
75 777-200 : So your saying that IFR rated cessna pilots cannot land in IFR conditions? Leave the flying to people that know about it.
76 UALPHLCS : Wish I'd thought of it for UA pilots during the Summer of 2000. Very funny post.
77 Nordair : Generally, it is the PUBLIC who makes the jobs of frontline employees harder. Many customers seem to think that frontline employees (of any company)
78 Matt72033 : do you? you no nothing about me.....how do you know i know nothing about flying? you dont! so u can fuck off too!
79 Cosec59 : Hey Matt, Don't get yourself banned please. I know you are well informed on the subject and have a lot more experience than the others may know. You h
80 Matt72033 : once again you dont know what your talking about!
81 Cosec59 : 16- 20. That 4 years can make a lot of difference luvvie Get your facts right. Now I happen to know Matt and his qualifications to make comments on t
82 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : There are 210/Lance/Chieftan/Baron drivers out there that would KILL for an 800 foot ceiling.
83 Matt72033 : sorry, show me where i said ceiling?
84 JBirdAV8r : Show me where you said 800 foot visibility?
85 Matt72033 : having a ceiling of 800 feet and a visibility are two totally different things!
86 JBirdAV8r : Yes, but where did you say 800 foot visibility? Where did I say it when you made that reference? Nowhere? That's what I thought. Have you tried to la
87 Peterpuck : Hey Matt you might want to get your facts straight, 1800m is not 800 feet.
88 FSPilot747 : JBirdAV8r, I know we've disagreed on nitpicky things in the past, but I don't see how continuing to reason with people who feel the need to argue with
89 Matt72033 : what the hell? you make no sense?
90 Post contains images KROC : Since this thread has degenerated into throwing insults around, its going to be locked. [Edited 2006-04-17 20:00:00]
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